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Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Ok for kids who are really serious about earning their degree -- they'll play in college especially if the school that granted them a scholarship is big time. Otherwise, if a kid gets paid $100k over 2 years, if he's smart about his money, if the league goes belly up, and is not drafted by the NFL will be able to pay for his college in full (depending on college).

interesting math, but it leaves out taxes and paying for room and board plus all the other expenses.

You really think a 19 year old getting paid $50k and being hyped up that he is going pro is going to save money for college? lol, what? Have you not looked at how pro athletes do with money?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_finances_of_professional_American_athletes
" 78% of National Football League (NFL) players are either bankrupt or are under financial stress within two years of retirement "

But you are saying they will be smart at 19 years old and save up for college.
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
lol, sorry but you are pretty weird if you watch high school all star football game and don't have a relative in it. That's definitely a very small niche of people that interested in seeing top level prospects.

And no top-level recruit is joining this league, its way too much risk and unknown. This league will be made up of kids that either got kicked out of school, flunked out, or couldn't get a D1 scholarship.


Do you believe everything a marketer tells you? Do the math, a team would need $5 million plus in revenue to stay afloat if they are paying the kids that much money.

If you been reading up on minor league baseball lawsuits, you'd be aware its a major issue. Their salaries are declining and on average they make $3k-$7.5k and thats from teams that have been geographically established for decades. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/minor-leaguers-working-poor-lawsuit-mlb-bud-selig

Paying a roster of 70+ players each $50k plus excellent benefits on top of providing facilities, training staff, medical staff, support staff, and coaches is extremely expensive.

I hope this dude has a hundred million+ in investments to keep the league afloat long enough for it stick, otherwise what he is really doing is screwing any kid gullible to sign up for the league and depriving them of the chance to get a college scholarship and education.

I really dont understand why the "pay the college player" crowd underestimates a scholarship. We live in a time where most kids are going into serious debt in order to get a college degree, yet the degree is treated like a party favor even though the vast majority of players will never play pro, and if they do they wont play for long, and if they do play long they still face extremely high rates of financial ruin several years out of the league. Getting the players paid instead of educated is short-changing them in the long run for the vast majority of kids.

Im weird because I have watched a few Allstar games on cable? Im a fan of football, I don't just cheer for one team. I watch as many games as possible.

Why wouldn't I believe him? He hasn't given me a reason to not believe him. I actually read the article so I know whats being proposed. Its only 8 games and will be done exclusively in Southern California to start. I dont get all the negativity. I think its a good idea.

First, the basics. PPF will consist of four teams to start play next summer, all based in Southern California and all owned by the league. They will play an eight-game season through July and August in mid-sized municipal stadiums, capped by a championship game, all before the NCAA and NFL seasons kick off.

Yee assembled a high-powered group of advisors to get the league off the ground. His advisory board currently consists of sports and political heavyweights, including former NFL coach Mike Shanahan; Mike Pereira, the former VP of NFL officiating turned Fox Sports analyst; Jim Steeg, who organized the Super Bowl and other special events for the NFL for more than 20 years; and Steve Schmidt, a political analyst and Republican strategist who ran John McCain's presidential campaign.

Pac Pro games could end up being televised by the likes of Amazon or Hulu or Netflix as modern media consumption habits continue to evolve into something much different than we've seen. We live in an era where football games were broadcast live on Twitter last season, so looking forward, anything is possible, including the idea of watching a semi-pro football league on your phone (and tracking player performance as it relates to fantasy games or even straight-up gambling).

Due to "securities regulations," he said, Yee declined to say much more than they are speaking to a "variety of parties."

But three years ago, Yee wrote another column for the Washington Post, in which he forecast the demise of the NCAA at the hands of exactly what he is currently building. In that story, he proposed "rich and ambitious innovators" like Larry Ellison and Mark Cuban have the ability to create a "new league, stocked with talent between the ages of 18 and 20."

Sounds familiar.

Cuban did not respond to a request for comment, but if Yee's other predictions he clearly laid out over the last decade are coming to fruition, it would not be out of the realm of possibility that a guy like Cuban, and many others, would be willing to come aboard to fund PPF.

More telling, Yee wrote in that 2014 column:

"Every previous sports business similar to the NCAA model has died. Major League Baseball players once had no free agency; their contracts could be renewed year after year after year, without negotiation. NBA players once had to wait four years after high school to enter the league, even though their skills demanded otherwise.

"Oppression can only last so long," he wrote. "The NCAA is about to find this out."

That time is coming sooner than you think. And perhaps the end of the NCAA as we know it officially kicks off next summer.
I think it would only be feesable as an NFL minor league. Each team has a team. A farm club.
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Ok for kids who are really serious about earning their degree -- they'll play in college especially if the school that granted them a scholarship is big time. Otherwise, if a kid gets paid $100k over 2 years, if he's smart about his money, if the league goes belly up, and is not drafted by the NFL will be able to pay for his college in full (depending on college).

interesting math, but it leaves out taxes and paying for room and board plus all the other expenses.

You really think a 19 year old getting paid $50k and being hyped up that he is going pro is going to save money for college? lol, what? Have you not looked at how pro athletes do with money?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_finances_of_professional_American_athletes
" 78% of National Football League (NFL) players are either bankrupt or are under financial stress within two years of retirement "

But you are saying they will be smart at 19 years old and save up for college.

Same kids who are hyped up about getting paid $50k are probably not college material (for that period in their lives) so what's the point if they get a scholarship or not?
For get this, what the NFL needs is a new division, 8 teams that play each other twice in a season. Teams in London, Berlin, Mexico City, Montreal, Vancouver BC, and the rest in second tier cities in the lower 48. These teams would pick in the same draft, trade players back and forth with other NFL team, but never play against other NFL teams. They would have their championship game during the dead week, the winner would move up to the NFL. The team with the worst record in the NFL would move down.

Want kids to stay in college, and learn the fundamentals, make a 4 year degree a requirement for play in the NFL. The league could work with schools and develop special curriculum for those players who aren't smart enough for a regular degree. A "sports" degree, with classes in money management, the legal system, post career planning, and other life skills.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
For get this, what the NFL needs is a new division, 8 teams that play each other twice in a season. Teams in London, Berlin, Mexico City, Montreal, Vancouver BC, and the rest in second tier cities in the lower 48. These teams would pick in the same draft, trade players back and forth with other NFL team, but never play against other NFL teams. They would have their championship game during the dead week, the winner would move up to the NFL. The team with the worst record in the NFL would move down.

Want kids to stay in college, and learn the fundamentals, make a 4 year degree a requirement for play in the NFL. The league could work with schools and develop special curriculum for those players who aren't smart enough for a regular degree. A "sports" degree, with classes in money management, the legal system, post career planning, and other life skills.

Not a fan. We'd be 1 2 point conversion away from years out of the NFL right now. We'd have to beg Tomsula to take the job back to coach a team in the B league. You're not getting Shanny, not getting fa's. You're just done for awhile. No thanks on that.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
For get this, what the NFL needs is a new division, 8 teams that play each other twice in a season. Teams in London, Berlin, Mexico City, Montreal, Vancouver BC, and the rest in second tier cities in the lower 48. These teams would pick in the same draft, trade players back and forth with other NFL team, but never play against other NFL teams. They would have their championship game during the dead week, the winner would move up to the NFL. The team with the worst record in the NFL would move down.

Want kids to stay in college, and learn the fundamentals, make a 4 year degree a requirement for play in the NFL. The league could work with schools and develop special curriculum for those players who aren't smart enough for a regular degree. A "sports" degree, with classes in money management, the legal system, post career planning, and other life skills.

Not a fan. We'd be 1 2 point conversion away from years out of the NFL right now. We'd have to beg Tomsula to take the job back to coach a team in the B league. You're not getting Shanny, not getting fa's. You're just done for awhile. No thanks on that.

Teams would never tank for a low pick again, every game counts even at the bottom of the pack. It creates a new developmental league that people will watch, and fills the void during the dead week....sure its got a lot of kinks to work out, but I think it would great.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Teams would never tank for a low pick again, every game counts even at the bottom of the pack. It creates a new developmental league that people will watch, and fills the void during the dead week....sure its got a lot of kinks to work out, but I think it would great.

Personally I like that we can be the worse team in football and come back optimistic the next year with a solid offseason. Instead of falling and wondering how many years you'll be watching jv pro football. That's the 1 scenario where I could see myself abandoning the 49ers. What's the point if they're not in the NFL? I don't watch MAC college football and wouldn't watch MAC pro football either. I don't see the appeal of a champion's league and peasant league but I know it works in soccer.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Teams would never tank for a low pick again, every game counts even at the bottom of the pack. It creates a new developmental league that people will watch, and fills the void during the dead week....sure its got a lot of kinks to work out, but I think it would great.

Personally I like that we can be the worse team in football and come back optimistic the next year with a solid offseason. Instead of falling and wondering how many years you'll be watching jv pro football. That's the 1 scenario where I could see myself abandoning the 49ers. What's the point if they're not in the NFL? I don't watch MAC college football and wouldn't watch MAC pro football either. I don't see the appeal of a champion's league and peasant league but I know it works in soccer.

Sure, but imagine last season, with relegation to the NFL's "JV" staring us in the face. How much more the last few games of the season would have mattered. Cleveland would have been playing their asses off, and so would we. Teams like Seattle gunning to send us down, man that would make for some tense moments.

Also, I would think that teams would not stay down long, pressure from fans would make teams in the relegation division work harder, not just scrape by and pocket the savings of being under the cap. Imagine the interest in the relegation division, as teams like Cleveland struggle to get out, it would make for compelling TV.
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Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Sure, but imagine last season, with relegation to the NFL's "JV" staring us in the face. How much more the last few games of the season would have mattered. Cleveland would have been playing their asses off, and so would we. Teams like Seattle gunning to send us down, man that would make for some tense moments.

Also, I would think that teams would not stay down long, pressure from fans would make teams in the relegation division work harder, not just scrape by and pocket the savings of being under the cap. Imagine the interest in the relegation division, as teams like Cleveland struggle to get out, it would make for compelling TV.

What I think would happen is Clv would get sent down, their attendance would drop 50%, and they'd be forced to cut cap to survive. Which is fine because no free agent would go there anyways knowing they could spend 3 years in the minors. From there once they win the d league title they're still the 28th to 32th best team and a mile behind everyone else. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Premier league go an entire decade with the same 4 teams at top? You're actually creating a system that creates a bigger gap of uncompetitive games because there's going to be 2nd class franchises everyone is avoiding. I'll give you it works in Europe but I don't see it working here. Soccer fans are the most passionate in the world. They'll watch the non premiere league. Football is more of a casual sport. I don't see much interest in the plight of bottom dwellers the same way minor league football just doesn't work.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Jun 2, 2017 at 1:51 PM ]
How many current NFL players don't have a degree because they wanted to enter the draft?
How many past players also did that? Oh, our GM did, didn't he.

A college scholarship does not necessarily equate to athletic supremacy - it may, but there is no data to make that assessment.

Certainly one could believe going the college route would develop self discipline and goal seeking, though the number of law enforcement interactions with league players would indicate low maturity, poor self discipline and over inflated egos in some of these trulyscholarly individuals.

NCAA may well be on its way to broken. Many colleges don't even play pro style, which means if drafted, the rookie is starting so far from where they need to be anyway.

The fix? Buggered if I know. Above my pay grade.
Maybe the threat of this very junior league will have the effect of NCAA re-evaluating how they do what they do.
Or maybe they'll just "lalalala" with fingers in ears while hoping the whole thing will just blow away.

Oh, and being an Aussie, maybe I'm just p**sing in the wind
[ Edited by Who-is-Hayne on Jun 2, 2017 at 8:02 PM ]
you're crazy if you don't think people will tune in and buy some tickets for minor league football. even DIII college games getting decent ratings lol. if they start a football season from april - aug, the investment will pay off.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Sure, but imagine last season, with relegation to the NFL's "JV" staring us in the face. How much more the last few games of the season would have mattered. Cleveland would have been playing their asses off, and so would we. Teams like Seattle gunning to send us down, man that would make for some tense moments.

Also, I would think that teams would not stay down long, pressure from fans would make teams in the relegation division work harder, not just scrape by and pocket the savings of being under the cap. Imagine the interest in the relegation division, as teams like Cleveland struggle to get out, it would make for compelling TV.

What I think would happen is Clv would get sent down, their attendance would drop 50%, and they'd be forced to cut cap to survive. Which is fine because no free agent would go there anyways knowing they could spend 3 years in the minors. From there once they win the d league title they're still the 28th to 32th best team and a mile behind everyone else. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Premier league go an entire decade with the same 4 teams at top? You're actually creating a system that creates a bigger gap of uncompetitive games because there's going to be 2nd class franchises everyone is avoiding. I'll give you it works in Europe but I don't see it working here. Soccer fans are the most passionate in the world. They'll watch the non premiere league. Football is more of a casual sport. I don't see much interest in the plight of bottom dwellers the same way minor league football just doesn't work.

Teams would receive equal shares of the revenue split, so money and cap would not be an issue.

Like the relegation league in Premier League Soccer, they would get the first 8 picks in the draft.

As a developmental division of the NFL they would be allowed 64 players, and champion would have to make cuts before the draft. All these players would be free agents, or perhaps draft eligible.

Unlike all the other failed alternate leagues, this is an NFL product with a real prize at stake, elevation, this would be enough to attract fans.

With teams in cities like Saint Louis, Portland, London, Vancouver BC, Mexico City, and others it would give the NFL a product in other countries to spread the sport.

Larger rosters could accommodate players coming from High School, or JCs.

Teams would not tank of higher picks, all games all season would matter.

Sure, lots of bugs, and kinks to work out, but in all I think with some positive input, it would be a better option than this guys league, it would get more viewers, and be better funded.

Like I aid earlier, if the NFL, NBA, and NCAA, want better products, the pro leagues have to make a rule saying all players entering the league need a two year degree in "Handling your s**t, and not going broke...oh, and some history of your game" This could be accomplished a number of ways.

The NFL could simply say, the degree is a job requirement.

The Players Association could establish a two their wage scale, with players who enter the league with less than two, or four years college experience singing 4 year, or two year contracts for significantly less then their college attending center parts, maybe a cap of 2 million a year for players without two years of college.
[ Edited by GolittaCamper on Jun 10, 2017 at 9:07 AM ]
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Teams would receive equal shares of the revenue split, so money and cap would not be an issue.

Like the relegation league in Premier League Soccer, they would get the first 8 picks in the draft.

As a developmental division of the NFL they would be allowed 64 players, and champion would have to make cuts before the draft. All these players would be free agents, or perhaps draft eligible.

Unlike all the other failed alternate leagues, this is an NFL product with a real prize at stake, elevation, this would be enough to attract fans.

With teams in cities like Saint Louis, Portland, London, Vancouver BC, Mexico City, and others it would give the NFL a product in other countries to spread the sport.

Larger rosters could accommodate players coming from High School, or JCs.

Teams would not tank of higher picks, all games all season would matter.

Sure, lots of bugs, and kinks to work out, but in all I think with some positive input, it would be a better option than this guys league, it would get more viewers, and be better funded.

Like I aid earlier, if the NFL, NBA, and NCAA, want better products, the pro leagues have to make a rule saying all players entering the league need a two year degree in "Handling your s**t, and not going broke...oh, and some history of your game" This could be accomplished a number of ways.

The NFL could simply say, the degree is a job requirement.

The Players Association could establish a two their wage scale, with players who enter the league with less than two, or four years college experience singing 4 year, or two year contracts for significantly less then their college attending center parts, maybe a cap of 2 million a year for players without two years of college.

As of now it's not a complete split with only 61% of total revenues being shared. Things like attendance aren't split up evenly. I think that's 70 keep 30 split. So once you bring in teams drawing half of what the big leagues do it is going to impact their ability to compete. Even if you make those changes free agents will still avoid the bottom dwellers and the draft isn't a quick fix. The bigger question is do those players stay? Probably not. So you get more scrubs?

I'm not a fan of going international either. They just don't play the game, NFL is not going to change that especially with the concussions. Football being played abroad is a niche and if they keep it like that and just do a couple games a year it's fine. A London franchise though will flop. It's not home grown. It's just going to be a bunch of Americans playing in London and there's a limited appeal to that. If an American sport was to try going international it should be the NBA.

The 3 year rule isn't going anywhere it's barely worth discussing. They won that court case. Even if Yee's league takes off I don't see NFL changing. If you can avoid developing players that cuts down on costs so don't expect that to ever go away. They could reward degrees and that would certainly help in terms of avoiding the bad PR players. Degrees don't make players play better though.
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