QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Originally posted by captveg:

If someone offers a 1st for Mullens you make that trade in a heartbeat. I love the guy and he's a better backup than Beathard, but we're talking a 1st for a backup QB. It's a no brainer deal that you take immediately.

Of course you would and no one will offer more than a 3rd so what's your point?

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Agree, but if I'm ShanaLynch and somebody offered a 1st round draft pick for Mullens - man I'd be tempted to do that trade.

Agree with your assessment that Mullens is worth around a 4th round pick, and again I wouldn't trade him for that. He's too valuable to back up Jimmy with Jimmy's prior injury issues to trade for a measly 4th rounder.

This is essentially what I meant. It's not about how much he's worth on the open market, but how much he's worth to us. Third year in the system and comparable numbers to Jimmy.

Laughing at the critique of his interception and TD. ratio. It's essentially the same as Jimmy's. Also, as been pointed out, everybody struggles with interceptions first year in Kyle's offense.

Also, Middlekauff is wrong. This should be a different team than last year if healthy. The pass rush alone should account for a few more wins. Wouldn't be shocked if D becomes strength of team. I think Mullen's has proven that he can win in Kyle's system if the guys around him play reasonably well, CJ not so much.

If two events should cross...or come together, eg, say we trade Mullie for 1st rd pick next yr....and then that happenstance occurs the same yr we are deep in the playoffs....and say JimmyG gets a high ankle sprain....that is the moment when all who were in favor of mullins being traded for well over his worth league-wise....would come home to roost. That is EXACTLY what guys like Mullie are for. A run for the title. That is when you gotta have that "starter" QB in the queue to come in and save the SB run for you. Other than that, sure, it's a good deal. But God help us if we did that and then ended up deep in playoffs. THAT is when you need a Mullie...or a Carson Wentz type deal with Foles. Got them a SB too. Without that backup starter your season is over.

So for those that think we have no shot at a playoff berth...go ahead and make that trade. But if you think we even have a remote shot at the playoffs, keep Mullie

PERSONALLY,

I think the only reason why we should keep Mullens or even start him over Grap this year or next year is because we want...

TREVORRRRRR !!!!

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by captveg:
If someone offers a 1st for Mullens you make that trade in a heartbeat. I love the guy and he's a better backup than Beathard, but we're talking a 1st for a backup QB. It's a no brainer deal that you take immediately.

Of course you would and no one will offer more than a 3rd so what's your point?

The point is in the statement. Some seemed to imply he's worth keeping no matter what was hypothetically offered.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 9moon:

who in the right state of mind would offer a 1st rounder for Mullens??

... or event a 3rd rounder?
who who who who who??

I just told you

Broncos does have for Joe Flacco and why they need looking for backup qb?!

^ a meeting of the minds with this trio

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

I think Mullens gets traded for a 4th rounder to Denver, and Beathard is kept on the 53.

Saturday is gonna be a classic Webzone meltdown

I can see that

If this happens I will happily lead the melt down. Nick is worth a lot more than a 4th. I think he's starting material, which is worth at least a 1st. Still wouldn't do it with our teams injury history though. Jimmy is still an expensive question mark in my opinion.

We got JG for a second round pick. We are not getting anything higher than a 3rd for Mullen's if we tried to trade him.

I agree that we probably wouldn't get anything higher than a third . But pats definitely could've got something higher than a second for him if they publicly shopped him. Didn't they even get offered a first by the browns?

Originally posted by BuZzB05:
We must keep Mullen and wont trade it. We need keep Mullen for backup. If Garoppolo will be hurting again then Mullen will playing for us. If Mullen got a trade then huge dumb for real.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
This is essentially what I meant. It's not about how much he's worth on the open market, but how much he's worth to us. Third year in the system and comparable numbers to Jimmy.

Laughing at the critique of his interception and TD. ratio. It's essentially the same as Jimmy's. Also, as been pointed out, everybody struggles with interceptions first year in Kyle's offense.

Also, Middlekauff is wrong. This should be a different team than last year if healthy. The pass rush alone should account for a few more wins. Wouldn't be shocked if D becomes strength of team. I think Mullen's has proven that he can win in Kyle's system if the guys around him play reasonably well, CJ not so much.

That's a good point. I agree with Buzz and ON that I wouldn't trade Mullens either. Jimmy and Mullens have a lot of similarities, and both are young and developing. I think Nick Foles kind of established how important a back up QB is for a good deep playoff run. But I tell you what, a first round draft pick can get you a multiple pro-bowl level offensive and defensive players, and if you play your cards right with a first round pick - you might get a Jerry Rice after you've won a super bowl.

In 1984 we got a Lombardi and the following year, we got Jerry because Walsh (the previous year) was able to acquire an extra number 1 pick from (I think) the DeadSkins in a draft day trade. If you give Kyle a number 1 draft pick - on offense - that guy might be a hall of famer. I mean, imagine Kyle's offense with a guy like Saquon Barkley.

But yeah, Nick Mullens is reminding me a little bit of Tom Brady in his preparation, his quick release, and his arm strength. I'm really impressed also with Wilton Speight. He has a nice arm and throws a very catchable ball, is taller than Nick and I think a bit stronger arm. Also, I think Speight can develop into another Nick Mullens and challenge Nick in a year or two.

Went back and watched the game again uninterrupted and not simply looking at the comments on the zone in between. I'm actually going to say I don't think CJ played all that bad with the guys out there. Bourne man, holy crap that dude is inconsistent. I think CJ made some plays and good throws. Does he still need to be quicker absolutely, but between watching some plays here and there I was basing how CJ played on the comments on here during the game. I must say we have some serious drama queens in here lol. I don't know if it ever really works out with CJ on San Francisco but he definitely has a place as a back up for several years somewhere in the NFL. I got to remind myself too its only the start of his third season and given where he was drafted he came in as a project that would likely take a while to get to full potential. Anyhow didn't think he played badly at all.

If we got a fifth for CJ that would be highway robbery

That being said though Mullens is the better QB at this point.

Originally posted by wolfpack2192:
That being said though Mullens is the better QB at this point.

No question. He still has value though on this team. I can't trust JG to stay healthy through the entire season.

A team needs more than 7 draft picks and the time to get them is now. Belichick is always wheeling and dealing this time of year and has at least 10 picks come draft day. The plan is to look ahead a couple of years. The team has pieces to move and could restock for the future.

Shanahan sees his O-line more often than we do. Last year he needed 3 QBs. Same O-line this year. He may assume he may need all 3 QBs this year.
I'd feel more comfortable seeing CJB trotting out there than Speights(?) if need be.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by smithgdwg:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

I think Mullens gets traded for a 4th rounder to Denver, and Beathard is kept on the 53.

Saturday is gonna be a classic Webzone meltdown

I can see that

If this happens I will happily lead the melt down. Nick is worth a lot more than a 4th. I think he's starting material, which is worth at least a 1st. Still wouldn't do it with our teams injury history though. Jimmy is still an expensive question mark in my opinion.

We got JG for a second round pick. We are not getting anything higher than a 3rd for Mullen's if we tried to trade him.

LOL at a 1st for Mullens. A 1st round pick is what you trade for a proven star. Mullens was an UDFA who threw for good yardage but a 13-10 TD to INT ratio last year. No one trades a 1st for that. I agree, that a 3rd would be the maximum but I sincerely doubt that's likely as well. Mullens' value is probably right around a 4th rounder right now. Teams may not want to offer than much, but he's worth more than a 5th, I'd argue. Beathard probably carries a 5th on the high end to 6th round value on the low end.

Agree, but if I'm ShanaLynch and somebody offered a 1st round draft pick for Mullens - man I'd be tempted to do that trade.

Agree with your assessment that Mullens is worth around a 4th round pick, and again I wouldn't trade him for that. He's too valuable to back up Jimmy with Jimmy's prior injury issues to trade for a measly 4th rounder.

I would take anything higher than a third. Third and beyond I debate it. Definitely wouldn't trade for less than a fourth though, personally.

Mullens value to us I'd put at a third. He can win games but Shanahan believes Beathard can too, which isn't entirely wrong to think. Beathard got almost zero help in the games he played last year. It would be unfair to pin everything on him, considering many players made critical mistakes to costs us games he otherwise would have gotten a win in.