2016 Vegas odds re-visited | Page 2

JBrack · 2017-03-23T10:58:34-07:00

Team 2016 Season Win Total Lines Arizona Cardinals 10.5 (Under total, won 7 games) Atlanta Falcons 7.5 (Over total, won 11 games) Baltimore Ravens 8.5 (Under total, won 8 games) Buffalo Bills 8 (Under total, won 7 games) Carolina Panthers 10.5 (Under total, won 6 games) Chicago Bears 7.5 (Under total, won 3 games) Cincinnati Bengals 9.5 (Under total, won 6 games) Cleveland Browns 5 (Under total, won 1 game) Dallas Cowboys 8.5 (Over total, won 13 games) Denver Broncos 9 (Pushed total, won 9 games) Detroit Lions 7 (Over total, won 9 games) Green Bay Packers 11 (Under total, won 10 games) Houston Texans 8.5 (Over total, won 9 games) Indianapolis Colts 9 (Under total, won 8 games) Jacksonville Jaguars 7.5 (Under total, won 3 games) Kansas City Chiefs 9.5 (Over total, won 12 games) Los Angeles Rams 7 (Under total, won 4 games) Miami Dolphins 7 (Over total, won 10 games) Minnesota Vikings 9 (Under total, won 8 games) New England Patriots 11 (Over total, won 14 games) New Orleans Saints 7.5 (Under total, won 7 games) New York Giants 8.5 (Over total, won 11 games) New York Jets 7.5 (Under total, won 5 games) Oakland Raiders 8.5 (Over total, won 12 games) Philadelphia Eagles 6.5 (Over total, won 7 games) Pittsburgh Steelers 10.5 (Over total, won 11 games) San Diego Chargers 7.5 (Under total, won 5 games) San Francisco 49ers 5.5 (Under total, won 2 games) Seattle Seahawks 10.5 (Under total, won 10 games) Tampa Bay Buccaneers 7.5 (Over total, won 9 games) Tennessee Titans 5.5 (Over total, won 9 games) Washington Redskins 7.5 (Over total, won 8 games)

Mar 23, 2017 at 3:17 PM

#16

JBrack
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The handicap is the odds. Thats why its an even bet. If you take 49ers -7 to win its an even bet plus the squeeze witch would be -110/-120 maybe.

Now how is that the odds? Its not, its the pay line. Bro why you starting when you obviously don't even gamble?

[ Edited by JBrack on Mar 23, 2017 at 3:21 PM ]

Mar 24, 2017 at 4:41 AM

#17

Zachary
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Thought our over/under was 3.5 lol

Mar 24, 2017 at 5:56 AM

#18

BobS
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Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
A spread or over unders are NOT odds. You could have more experience than anyone making bets. Doesnt mean you are correct here. You arent. You are dead wrong.

Last year, the 49ers win total line was:

Over 5.5 (+125)
Under 5.5 (-155)

5.5 wins are NOT the odds. The odds are the in the parenthesis. Period. If you disagree with this, you are flat out wrong.

To explain the +/- figures next to the over and unders. The plus figure is the amount you would win betting $100. So "if" the 49ers won 6 games or more a person would win $125 plus the return of their original $100 and collect $225. ($100=$225) The minus figure is the amount bet to win $100. It would take a bet of $155 to win $100 betting the under. The 49ers won 2 games, so that $155 bet wins $100 plus the return of the $155, you would collect $255.($155=$255).
Ties are not wins and count as nothing, they are in effect the same as a loss.

The crappy thing about win totals you are not allowed to parlay (tie multiple bets together) them. You cannot attempt to turn $100 into $1000 by hitting a group of 4 like betting football games by the point spread. Casual bettors don't play them as there is no chance to turn a small bet into a lot of money.

[ Edited by BobS on Mar 24, 2017 at 5:58 AM ]

Mar 24, 2017 at 5:59 AM

#19

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Originally posted by JBrack:
Ok listen bro, let me explain this to you. When you bet on an over under what are the odds? The odds are if the team will go over or under a specified number. The odds are the specifics of the bet. Ya know, odds are they wont score this many points. Never heard that expression before?

The money line and the pay line are not the odds. Unless its a straight up bet like in boxing. Once its handicapped those are the odds. Understand?

The payline is in the parenthesis.

Let me explain this to you.

You're thinking that Vegas is wrong just because it puts the 49ers o/u line at 5.5 games and they only won 2.
Wrong

What you're calling the "payline" is actually the Moneyline Odds. Without that information you don't know how to bet. You also don't know what the stakes are. Thus your fist post doesn't make sense.

Over 5.5 (+125) you bet $100 to win $125
Under 5.5 (-155) you need to bet $155 to win $100

What Vegas is saying is it's more likely the 49ers will be under that 5.5 games so they were right.

The over is the more attractive bet. Vegas does this hoping more people will bet the Over knowing it's more likely the team will be Under. This is how Vegas makes money.

lol

[ Edited by SoCold on Mar 24, 2017 at 6:06 AM ]

Mar 24, 2017 at 11:36 AM

#20

SteveWallacesHelmet
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Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by JBrack:
Ok listen bro, let me explain this to you. When you bet on an over under what are the odds? The odds are if the team will go over or under a specified number. The odds are the specifics of the bet. Ya know, odds are they wont score this many points. Never heard that expression before?

The money line and the pay line are not the odds. Unless its a straight up bet like in boxing. Once its handicapped those are the odds. Understand?

The payline is in the parenthesis.

Let me explain this to you.

You're thinking that Vegas is wrong just because it puts the 49ers o/u line at 5.5 games and they only won 2.
Wrong

What you're calling the "payline" is actually the Moneyline Odds. Without that information you don't know how to bet. You also don't know what the stakes are. Thus your fist post doesn't make sense.

Over 5.5 (+125) you bet $100 to win $125
Under 5.5 (-155) you need to bet $155 to win $100

What Vegas is saying is it's more likely the 49ers will be under that 5.5 games so they were right.

The over is the more attractive bet. Vegas does this hoping more people will bet the Over knowing it's more likely the team will be Under. This is how Vegas makes money.

lol

Thank you. But according to OP, I am wrong and dont gamble. This is common knowledge. Nice to hear someone try to explain other than me.

Mar 26, 2017 at 2:27 PM

#21

JBrack
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Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by JBrack:
Ok listen bro, let me explain this to you. When you bet on an over under what are the odds? The odds are if the team will go over or under a specified number. The odds are the specifics of the bet. Ya know, odds are they wont score this many points. Never heard that expression before?

The money line and the pay line are not the odds. Unless its a straight up bet like in boxing. Once its handicapped those are the odds. Understand?

The payline is in the parenthesis.

Let me explain this to you.

You're thinking that Vegas is wrong just because it puts the 49ers o/u line at 5.5 games and they only won 2.
Wrong

What you're calling the "payline" is actually the Moneyline Odds. Without that information you don't know how to bet. You also don't know what the stakes are. Thus your fist post doesn't make sense.

Over 5.5 (+125) you bet $100 to win $125
Under 5.5 (-155) you need to bet $155 to win $100

What Vegas is saying is it's more likely the 49ers will be under that 5.5 games so they were right.

The over is the more attractive bet. Vegas does this hoping more people will bet the Over knowing it's more likely the team will be Under. This is how Vegas makes money.

lol

Let me explain this to you...

Those payline numbers were made up. Those were not real numbers. I surely didn't post them.

If you bet on a handicapped bet you are getting even odds 99% of the time.

Even odds means Vegas is saying its a 50/50 bet you will win or lose. Thats called even money. So even odds is what you are betting when you take a handicapped bet. If you don't know that then you don't know how to gamble.

As I said if you took the 49ers and the under there is a 50/50 chance you will win or lose. Those would be the "odds".

On a standard handicap bet its even money. Which would usually read like this (-110).

Why is that? Because the -110 is the payline. That means if you bet $100 you have to pay $110 if you lose( thats the juice and how Vegas really makes money). Otherwise you win $100 because its even money on wins with 50/50 odds.

Now explain to me how -110 gives you the odds of your bet? It doesn't, the extra 10 is the juice.

Like I said, the odds are the bet unless you are betting the money line with zero odds.

[ Edited by JBrack on Mar 26, 2017 at 2:42 PM ]

Mar 26, 2017 at 3:17 PM

#22

49AllTheTime
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-110 is not even money

Mar 26, 2017 at 4:01 PM

#23

JBrack
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
-110 is not even money

Yes it is... ever payed the squeeze? Thats the juice, 10% is the cut for the bookie. But you only pay if you lose. Thats why its called the payline. -110 will cost you $110 if you lose a $100 bet.

[ Edited by JBrack on Mar 26, 2017 at 4:05 PM ]

Mar 26, 2017 at 5:15 PM

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49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by JBrack:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
-110 is not even money

Yes it is... ever payed the squeeze? Thats the juice, 10% is the cut for the bookie. But you only pay if you lose. Thats why its called the payline. -110 will cost you $110 if you lose a $100 bet.

any bet you lose costs you what you lose. whatever you lose goes to the casino. wins you get everything back

on a -110 line with 100 bet would

a. Win and pay you 90
b. Lose your 100

Mar 26, 2017 at 8:14 PM

#25

JBrack
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by JBrack:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
-110 is not even money

Yes it is... ever payed the squeeze? Thats the juice, 10% is the cut for the bookie. But you only pay if you lose. Thats why its called the payline. -110 will cost you $110 if you lose a $100 bet.
any bet you lose costs you what you lose. whatever you lose goes to the casino. wins you get everything back

on a -110 line with 100 bet would

a. Win and pay you 90
b. Lose your 100

100% wrong...

Its even money so if you bet $100 you win a hundred. You only pay juice on losses. Thats the payline once again

Mar 26, 2017 at 8:53 PM

#26

49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by JBrack:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by JBrack:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
-110 is not even money

Yes it is... ever payed the squeeze? Thats the juice, 10% is the cut for the bookie. But you only pay if you lose. Thats why its called the payline. -110 will cost you $110 if you lose a $100 bet.
any bet you lose costs you what you lose. whatever you lose goes to the casino. wins you get everything back

on a -110 line with 100 bet would

a. Win and pay you 90
b. Lose your 100

100% wrong...

Its even money so if you bet $100 you win a hundred. You only pay juice on losses. Thats the payline once again

Mar 26, 2017 at 9:34 PM

#27

JBrack
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I can tell you with infinite certainty that that is wrong. Where did you dig that up? Id love to use your bookie.

Mar 26, 2017 at 9:48 PM

#28

49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by JBrack:
I can tell you with infinite certainty that that is wrong. Where did you dig that up? Id love to use your bookie.

It's at every casino

Just look up vegas odds calculator

Mar 26, 2017 at 9:54 PM

#29

JBrack
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
It's at every casino

Just look up vegas odds calculator

Those are money line figures with no handicap. Maybe you should learn the difference like I said from the beginning

[ Edited by JBrack on Mar 26, 2017 at 9:55 PM ]

Mar 26, 2017 at 10:36 PM

#30

LVJay
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I'll revisit once Vegas puts up the new win total. I hope they go low again, same as last year.

I have a gut feeling it will be a little more than 5.5 tho