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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:Lots of people were high on Harold when he was drafted. Does anyone think he has the ability to start, long term, based on what he has shown in his first two years?
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by LifelongNiner:Lots of people were high on Harold when he was drafted. Does anyone think he has the ability to start, long term, based on what he has shown in his first two years?
Saleh already noted he'd be in competition at the SAM which, my guestimate, means he'll be on the field 30% in base running downs up at the LOS, stuffing the run, setting the edge and with his speed, covering some TE's and RB's from time to time...if he doesn't amp up his edge rushing (now, on the left side of the line), an edge rusher like Dekota Watson will steal up to 70% of his snaps in nickel.
So you think when season kicks off Watson takes down the left DE spot in pass downs?
Left of the DE position...out wide to edge rush (6-9T spots). Whoever proves to be the best edge rusher of Harold, Brooks or Watson, will get the most snaps and edge rush opportunities from that "big" or "strong" side.
I know we're talking about Watson in two threads now, are you saying one of Brooks/Harold/Watson will be on the field along with 4 DL in nickel?
Yes and No. Both your edge rushers would be in for nickel - pass rush down. Lynch on one side at Elephant and whomever is your second best edge rusher (Brooks, Harold or Watson) at SAM/DE (based on current personnel).
Watson (6-9T) --- Buckner (slides inside) --- Blair --- Lynch (6-9T)
Bowman --- Smith
Tartt/Ray-Ray/Reid (Box SS)
Robinson --- Ward --- Williams (Extra DB) --- Redmond
PS: There are a lot of different combos you can use for nickel.
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:Right. Gotcha and agree with all you said I just read your verbiage wrong. Of course he has a chance to be a 3 down backer but I don't think he wins either the SAM in base nor the LDE/OR 1 of the LB spots in nickel.
Whatd he run out of FSU? Any measureable comparisons?
Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Right. Gotcha and agree with all you said I just read your verbiage wrong. Of course he has a chance to be a 3 down backer but I don't think he wins either the SAM in base nor the LDE/OR 1 of the LB spots in nickel.
Whatd he run out of FSU? Any measureable comparisons?
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Is this guy making the team?
Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:Is this guy making the team?
Who knows...he has a license to win the SAM and be an edge rusher from the SAM on passing downs. It's up to him.
So when looking at the SAM linebacker and what they're asked to do on a day-to-day basis, 70-percent of the game their hand will be in the ground. So, we're looking for more of an edge rusher as opposed to what it was in years past with a brut SAM linebacker, a [former NFL LB] Bill Romanowski-type. We're trying to move forward from that."
Are there guys already on the roster?
"Oh, yeah. There's plenty here. [LB] Ahmad Brooks, [LB] Eli [Harold]. We just signed [LB] Dekoda Watson. If you were going to paint a picture, that's what they would look like."
Originally posted by WolfTotem:This is from Saleh's presser at the start of April:
So when looking at the SAM linebacker and what they're asked to do on a day-to-day basis, 70-percent of the game their hand will be in the ground. So, we're looking for more of an edge rusher as opposed to what it was in years past with a brut SAM linebacker, a [former NFL LB] Bill Romanowski-type. We're trying to move forward from that."
Are there guys already on the roster?
"Oh, yeah. There's plenty here. [LB] Ahmad Brooks, [LB] Eli [Harold]. We just signed [LB] Dekoda Watson. If you were going to paint a picture, that's what they would look like."
So I think he's looking for a guy who can stand up in base, and set the edge; then rush from the DE spot in nickel. Which is exactly what Brooks has done for us for years now. Harold has the skills to take the job from Brooks if he can put it all together. The knock on him in the draft was he was really up and down as a player if I remember correctly.
When are the first proper 11 on 11's? Getting impatient to find out where guys are lining up!
Originally posted by Heroism:I doubt he gets cut. He's cheap, and if he's relegated to backup sam/edge rusher, you can do a lot worse than Eli.
Originally posted by Heroism:
I doubt he gets cut. He's cheap, and if he's relegated to backup sam/edge rusher, you can do a lot worse than Eli.