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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Great point. And aside from the injury (which s/n be minimized), I wasn't a big fan of how we used him in the slot. His biggest strength at FS is being able to see the field, anticipate and break on the ball...he's a playmaker this way. In Fangio's defense, he was in trail-mode with his back to the QB often times b/c of his assignments and coaching. That really works against his strength. If Mangini can find a better design even while locking down the slot, that would be ideal...get back to being the playmaker we originally drafted him to be.

True...when I watched Ward and thought he was ackward it was always trailing and late. That's partly from inexperience but also not his strength. With Bethea, Reid, Ward and Tartt they may have the best safety group in the NFL. At least that is my (ever optimistic) hope!

Yeah, thl did a great job of showing how he'd line up at the LOS in the slot and then trail the WR until passed off to the S or whomever. It's a sound design and serves a purpose but it doesn't play to his strengths either (back to the QB, in trail mode, etc.). While it temporarily takes the WR out of the play off the LOS, it takes Ward completely out of the play altogether.

Yeah, if not the best, certainly, the deepest! That's one position we don't have to worry about for some time. I'm also a fan of L.J. McCray.
The use of the two young safeties is dependent on scheme, with smaller shifter wr -Ward with bigger wr/te Tartt. Plus we need to take advantage of Seattle's weakness, yes they have lynch and graham, but the middle of their line is soft with the departure of starters of Unger and Carpenter. Also the rest of their line is considered suspect.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, thl did a great job of showing how he'd line up at the LOS in the slot and then trail the WR until passed off to the S or whomever. It's a sound design and serves a purpose but it doesn't play to his strengths either (back to the QB, in trail mode, etc.). While it temporarily takes the WR out of the play off the LOS, it takes Ward completely out of the play altogether.

Yeah, if not the best, certainly, the deepest! That's one position we don't have to worry about for some time. I'm also a fan of L.J. McCray.

Problem is, when he passes off and the next guy is out of place, as pointed out with the Reid example, everyone blames Ward. The reason I like the Tartt pick is to build a young secondary that will have great communication with each other in a year or two.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, thl did a great job of showing how he'd line up at the LOS in the slot and then trail the WR until passed off to the S or whomever. It's a sound design and serves a purpose but it doesn't play to his strengths either (back to the QB, in trail mode, etc.). While it temporarily takes the WR out of the play off the LOS, it takes Ward completely out of the play altogether.

Yeah, if not the best, certainly, the deepest! That's one position we don't have to worry about for some time. I'm also a fan of L.J. McCray.

Problem is, when he passes off and the next guy is out of place, as pointed out with the Reid example, everyone blames Ward. The reason I like the Tartt pick is to build a young secondary that will have great communication with each other in a year or two.

And if Tartt plays that robber role it's really going to help given he and Ward are great friends. That communication!
Hes gotta be ready when Reid gets concussed again
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Hes gotta be ready when Reid gets concussed again

Sad but true!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Hes gotta be ready when Reid gets concussed again

Sad but true!

I think Reid will be fine but I'm optimistic like that even in the NFCW
One thing I am really on board for is having somebody back there with that toughness. I like the idea of returning to that Ronnie Lott style on the back end where you have a guy out there that just puts a little bit of fear to go over the middle into some of these guys, where the small RB's pee a little once they round the corner and see not just our Lb's but a violent safety foaming at the mouth to blow him up. Tartt has those instincts and that nose for the play that give me some good feelings about where he will be in a year or two. If he can learn to combine what we have now in Reid with what we had in Goldson AND make sure that he hits clean? That could be huge for us against teams like Seattle that make their hay running the ball and dancing around in the secondary waiting for the miracle bomb.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by xcfan:
The problem with ward is that, while he is a very willing defender, his athleticism for the corner position is not great-

Which I think is kind of bogus. The guy ran step for step when defending Dri Archer in college, his measurables project out to above average for the corner position. He ran a 4.45 40 at his pro day and had a 38 inch vertical, I certainly wouldn't call his athleticism "average." We haven't even seen him fully healthy as a 49er yet.

One of the reasons I think they went S rather than CB in the draft...Ward can start alongside Brock and Johnson but are any of the CBs who could start at SS? No.

Great point. And aside from the injury (which s/n be minimized), I wasn't a big fan of how we used him in the slot. His biggest strength at FS is being able to see the field, anticipate and break on the ball...he's a playmaker this way. In Fangio's defense, he was in trail-mode with his back to the QB often times b/c of his assignments and coaching. That really works against his strength. If Mangini can find a better design even while locking down the slot, that would be ideal...get back to being the playmaker we originally drafted him to be.
The only way that he will have "everything in front of him" is in a zone or starting at one of the safty spots. Other than that I don't know how he could be productive. If he covers the slot he'll pretty much also be in "trail mode". I don't know how to maximize his potential to be honest.
Originally posted by InsertNameHere:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by xcfan:
The problem with ward is that, while he is a very willing defender, his athleticism for the corner position is not great-

Which I think is kind of bogus. The guy ran step for step when defending Dri Archer in college, his measurables project out to above average for the corner position. He ran a 4.45 40 at his pro day and had a 38 inch vertical, I certainly wouldn't call his athleticism "average." We haven't even seen him fully healthy as a 49er yet.

One of the reasons I think they went S rather than CB in the draft...Ward can start alongside Brock and Johnson but are any of the CBs who could start at SS? No.

Great point. And aside from the injury (which s/n be minimized), I wasn't a big fan of how we used him in the slot. His biggest strength at FS is being able to see the field, anticipate and break on the ball...he's a playmaker this way. In Fangio's defense, he was in trail-mode with his back to the QB often times b/c of his assignments and coaching. That really works against his strength. If Mangini can find a better design even while locking down the slot, that would be ideal...get back to being the playmaker we originally drafted him to be.
The only way that he will have "everything in front of him" is in a zone or starting at one of the safty spots. Other than that I don't know how he could be productive. If he covers the slot he'll pretty much also be in "trail mode". I don't know how to maximize his potential to be honest.

Two things could happen...he takes over one of the safety spots or develops his CB skills and improves his coverage skills. I believe he can do either if it is necessary. Good coaching is needed but with Beathea and Reid already there that should be the easy part.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on May 8, 2015 at 12:37 PM ]
Good read and explains a lot.


Talking Tartt: Ex-NFL safety discusses 49ers' second-round pick
Posted on May 7, 2015 at 4:02 pm by Eric Branch in 49ers
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At the University of Alabama, Sam Shade played with safety George Teague, a first-round pick in 1993 who had a nine-year NFL career.

As a rookie with the Bengals in 1995, Shade played with safety Darryl Williams, a former first-round pick who spent 10 years in the NFL. Then, in 2000 with Washington, Shade was teammates with safety Mark Carrier, a former first-round pick and 11-year veteran.

For the past four years, Shade, 41, a safety in his eight-year NFL career, has helped mentor safety Jasquiski Tartt in his role as secondary coach at Samford University in Birmingham, Ala.

The 49ers, of course, drafted the huge-hitting Tartt in the second round last week and the pick inspired a popular question: How will the small-school standout fare against, say, the Seahawks after playing in the Southern Conference.

Shade's thoughts? He says Tartt compares favorably with Teague, Williams and Carrier – a trio that combined to start 402 NFL games – in one key area.

"Jasquiski is just as athletic, if not more athletic, than all of those guys," Shade said in a phone interview. "I'm not saying he's a better football player than any of them because, at this point, he's not. I'm just saying as far as ability, there's a lot there. He's got a chance — if he works hard enough and can stay healthy — he's got a chance to be really good in the NFL."

Tartt's blend of size (6-1, 221) and athleticism (4.55-second 40, 37-inch vertical jump) allowed him to become a two-time finalist for the Buck Buchanan Award, given to the top defensive player in FCS (formerly Division I-AA).

And he didn't just stand out against Stillman and The Citadel. Last year, for example, Tartt had a game-high 11 tackles in a 48-14 loss to TCU, which finished 12-1 and ranked third in the AP poll.

As with many of the 49ers' draft picks, though, Tartt enters the NFL unpolished.

In fact, he's still playing catch-up: He's a former prep basketball player who played just one season of football at Davidson (Ala.) High and Shade says his inexperience was evident as a redshirt freshman in 2010.

"When we first got him, he really didn't understand what it would take to be a good college football player," Shade said. "What I mean by that is he really didn't understand the work required. The weight room. The running and conditioning part. And becoming a student of the game – getting your mind in the right place when watching film and knowing what to look for when you're studying opponents."

"… His football IQ jumped a lot when he was at Samford, but he still has a long way to go as far as continuing to be a student of the game and just getting more experience playing."

With that in mind, Shade feels Tartt landed in a good spot. The 49ers have two established starters in Antoine Bethea, 30, and Eric Reid. They also have cornerback/safety Jimmie Ward, a 2014 first-round pick who was Tartt's high school teammate and is his best friend.

"It's an ideal situation for him," Shade said. "I've watched (Bethea) play and he's a hell of a player with a great football mind. Then you've got the young guy in Reid. If those two stay healthy, Jaquiski gets to learn from two pretty good ones."

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So how did a second-round NFL talent such as Tartt end up at Samford?

For starters, of course, his inexperience played a role.

But Shade suggested Division I programs would have offered him scholarships based on his eye-popping athleticism … if they had much a chance to check out his senior-season game tape.

They didn't, however, because Tartt committed to Samford early in the recruiting process, during his senior season, and his head coach, Fred Riley, wanted to him to honor that commitment.

"Once he committed, the coach would not let anyone else see his video," Shade said. "Would not send it out. Would not let anyone else talk to him.

"He just believed once a school offers you a scholarship, they make a commitment to you. And if you say 'I'm coming to your school,' well, that's a gentleman's agreement, both parties are committed to each other and that's a wrap."

Samford offered Tartt a scholarship after seeing video of him playing against Murphy High wide receiver Solomon Patton in October 2009. Patton, who played at Florida, is now with the Buccaneers.

"Everyone knew who (Patton) was," Shade said. "We were sitting there watching the film of Jasquiski playing him and Jaquiski is running him down. He's tackling him in space. We were like – 'This kid is raw, but he has ability. And a lot of it.' So once we made the decision to offer him, he committed and I'm not sure how many people even saw that film."

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Tartt is known for his big-hitting ability, but Shade says he won't have to alter his technique to avoid penalties in the NFL.

"He did a great job in college," Shade said. "I can't remember a play where it was even questionable whether he was going to be penalized for a hit. He had some really big hits on people, but they were all legal, clean hits and a lot of them were in the run game."

A possible NFC West head-to-head matchup to monitor in the future: Tartt coming up in run support against a 2015 first-round pick, Rams running back Todd Gurley (6-1, 222).


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Tartt could make his first contributions on special teams, where his size and speed will likely be utilized in kick coverage. In that regard, Shade says Tartt is similar to Cowboys cornerback Corey White (6-1, 205), who played at Samford and has made 19 NFL starts after he was a fifth-round pick of the Saints in 2012.

"The thing I recognized with both Jaquiski and Corey kind of early was that they could play special teams in the NFL,' Shade said. "And I'm not saying just play it – both of them were our top special-teams guys. They have really good size and they can run. From my time in the NFL, that's the one thing I knew could help a guy make it with a team."

Tartt had a more limited role on special teams in his final two years, partly because of injury issues. He played most of 2013 with a torn labrum.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2015/05/07/talking-tartt-ex-nfl-safety-discusses-49ers-second-round-pick/
  • 9moon
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Sam Shade only knows 30% of what he's talkin about..

Tartt will be better than Darryl Williams; Teague & Carrier combined... what the heck is he talking about..

Tartt has that IT in him when he plays... I know this is too soon to be told, and I only saw him play one time (vs. TCU), but the guy really reminds me of Ed Reed and the late Sean Taylor...

.. and what I mean by that is that he just has the knack on bringing the axe when he unloads...
Originally posted by 9moon:
Sam Shade only knows 30% of what he's talkin about..

Tartt will be better than Darryl Williams; Teague & Carrier combined... what the heck is he talking about..

Tartt has that IT in him when he plays... I know this is too soon to be told, and I only saw him play one time (vs. TCU), but the guy really reminds me of Ed Reed and the late Sean Taylor...

.. and what I mean by that is that he just has the knack on bringing the axe when he unloads...

How dare a former NFL player who coached Tartt disagree with you! Wonder if you can sue him for defamation of a fan?
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Sam Shade only knows 30% of what he's talkin about..

Tartt will be better than Darryl Williams; Teague & Carrier combined... what the heck is he talking about..

Tartt has that IT in him when he plays... I know this is too soon to be told, and I only saw him play one time (vs. TCU), but the guy really reminds me of Ed Reed and the late Sean Taylor...

.. and what I mean by that is that he just has the knack on bringing the axe when he unloads...

How dare a former NFL player who coached Tartt disagree with you! Wonder if you can sue him for defamation of a fan?

  • 9moon
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Nothing against Shade... and I never said that he disagreed with me..

but even a once great DC would say some stupid things just because...

Tampa Bay DC Monte Kiffin said that Jeff Garcia was as good as Joe Montana in his hay day after the Bucs destroyed the 49ers in the playoffs...
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