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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I am. He's lost a lot of weight. I think he's all in on LEO. Realistically, even if he cuts all the way down to 270-280, he could still rush from the 3, but I'd be surprised if he was slimming down so dramatically just to play the edge on base downs.

Will be interesting! I see his two greatest attributes as strength and length...obviously length will still be there but will he retain his unbelievable strength at the lower weight? He held his own against two OL the last two years and on the edge will not have to do so, which could give him an advantage. But I don't see him as a quick DL needed to chase from the edge. His quickness could increase at this lower weight...but will his agility and ability to change direction; which will be needed for guys like Wilson?

As with every defense, AA's success will be a group effort. His weaknesses will be less apparent if the CBs and LBs can help fill the edge quickly.

You know, you bring up some good points. He'll be singled up now but against a teams best LT.

The LT is usually the LT because he's the quickest, smartest, most athletic lineman to face a defenses best pass rusher. That said, unlike the RT, he isn't used to going up against power usually. If we 'wide 9' AA on base downs, that alignment ensures if it's a run, it funnels the RB inside towards Bowman and Foster/Smith/Reid and protects a CB like Robinson or Witherspoon from having to come up and protect the edge in run support.

If it's a pass, that alignment gives AA an extra step or two to get up to full power and momentum where, I'm confident he's long and strong enough to pancake LT's, collapse the pocket and knock down passes.

Then, after that series, enter the savy speed rusher in Elvis for a massive change in technique protection for the LT.

I'm kind of excited to see how this works now and to see how this potentiality wears down a LT and keeps him off balance.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jul 6, 2017 at 7:48 AM ]
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I am. He's lost a lot of weight. I think he's all in on LEO. Realistically, even if he cuts all the way down to 270-280, he could still rush from the 3, but I'd be surprised if he was slimming down so dramatically just to play the edge on base downs.

Will be interesting! I see his two greatest attributes as strength and length...obviously length will still be there but will he retain his unbelievable strength at the lower weight? He held his own against two OL the last two years and on the edge will not have to do so, which could give him an advantage. But I don't see him as a quick DL needed to chase from the edge. His quickness could increase at this lower weight...but will his agility and ability to change direction; which will be needed for guys like Wilson?

As with every defense, AA's success will be a group effort. His weaknesses will be less apparent if the CBs and LBs can help fill the edge quickly.

You know, you bring up some good points. He'll be singled up now but against a teams best LT.

The LT is usually the LT because he's the quickest, smartest, most athletic lineman to face a defenses best pass rusher. That said, unlike the RT, he isn't used to going up against power usually. If we 'wide 9' AA on base downs, that alignment ensures if it's a run, it funnels the RB inside towards Bowman and Foster/Smith/Reid and protects a CB like Robinson or Witherspoon from having to come up and protect the edge in run support.

If it's a pass, that alignment gives AA an extra step or two to get up to full power and momentum where, I'm confident he's long and strong enough to pancake LT's, collapse the pocket and knock down passes.

Then, after that see series, enter the savy speed rusher in Elvis for a massive change in technique protection for the LT.

I'm kind of excited to see how this works now.

But being that far away from the QB at wide 9, is he fast/quick enough to get there?
Originally posted by Joecool:
But being that far away from the QB at wide 9, is he fast/quick enough to get there?

That's the question that needs to be answered. With his length, you may be able to pinch him over more (4-8) and still protect that edge though.

I saw how Seattle adjusted Michael Bennett to that alignment because he was having no success against Trenton Brown lining up at the (4-7) and I could see the benefits.

It gives you better vision (no obstructions to play the run or pass), more space to get up to speed for bull rushes and allows more room to pass rush on the move (making the T pass protect on the move - catch a moving target).

Another benefit is he can crash the LT inside and potentially allow Thomas to loop outside on a delayed stunt.

In short, he'll have to work on his explosion at the snap. If he can do that, i can see a lot of good things happening.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jul 6, 2017 at 7:59 AM ]
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Dude lacks the quickness to play the edge.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Dude lacks the quickness to play the edge.

That's what I'm thinking. Most teams have extremely athletic, strong left tackles . Which is why your edge is usually a total freak athlete.
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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Dude lacks the quickness to play the edge.

That's what I'm thinking. Most teams have extremely athletic, strong left tackles . Which is why your edge is usually a total freak athlete.

His playing leo is just a way to get him snaps because he's not good enough to beat out the other starters.
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
That's what I'm thinking. Most teams have extremely athletic, strong left tackles . Which is why your edge is usually a total freak athlete.

We have no idea what he will play like at 270. He does have exceptional length which certainly won't hurt him. It could be another Carradine situation but in reverse. We'll just have to wait and see but if he can play well on base downs then that is all the 49ers really need. They have Dumervil and Lynch to get after the QB, they need Armstead to hold up against the run.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Jul 6, 2017 at 9:52 AM ]
If I were running an offense against the niners I'd be alternately popping a quick back outside and then faking that and running inside the LT, just to mess with AA and make him think. On the other hand, if they have to double AA then the inside guys should have an advantage. So much to look forward to this year!
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
That's what I'm thinking. Most teams have extremely athletic, strong left tackles . Which is why your edge is usually a total freak athlete.

We have no idea what he will play like at 270. He does have exceptional length which certainly won't hurt him. It could be another Carradine situation but in reverse. We'll just have to wait and see but if he can play well on base downs then that is all the 49ers really need. They have Dumervil and Lynch to get after the QB, they need Armstead to hold up against the run.


Yea I'm just gonna be kinda pessimistic about the position change so that I'm either right if it doesn't work, or pleasantly surprised if it does.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Dude lacks the quickness to play the edge.

This. Until proven otherwise.
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Yea I'm just gonna be kinda pessimistic about the position change so that I'm either right if it doesn't work, or pleasantly surprised if it does.

LOL. Admit it...you're afraid to put yourself out there for fear DefenderDX will call you out 8 years from now.
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
That's what I'm thinking. Most teams have extremely athletic, strong left tackles . Which is why your edge is usually a total freak athlete.

We have no idea what he will play like at 270. He does have exceptional length which certainly won't hurt him. It could be another Carradine situation but in reverse. We'll just have to wait and see but if he can play well on base downs then that is all the 49ers really need. They have Dumervil and Lynch to get after the QB, they need Armstead to hold up against the run.


Yea I'm just gonna be kinda pessimistic about the position change so that I'm either right if it doesn't work, or pleasantly surprised if it does.

I thought he was fairly stout in the 3-4. Think it may be a waste of his ability to put him at Leo. He's a 2-gap player and just doesn't seem to have the explosion/quickness that DeFo does to also be successful in a 1-gap system.

Think we will just have to take our losses on AA. He will probably have more success with another team and the 3-4 D. Honestly, Blair seems like a better option at Leo than does AA.
Oh look were back where we were 2 months ago talking about AA.. Have fun yall.
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They're trying hord to find a reason not to cut this scrub.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Yea I'm just gonna be kinda pessimistic about the position change so that I'm either right if it doesn't work, or pleasantly surprised if it does.

LOL. Admit it...you're afraid to put yourself out there for fear DefenderDX will call you out 8 years from now.

Haha not familiar with it but I'm sure I'll hear from him
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