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Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SoCold:
I said proven CB's. We had no CB on the roster who had started more than a full season. That's a big question mark imo. Based on all the players Trent has drafted or signed that are not even on the team anymore I question 5th and 6th round picks that were projected 7th rounders or priority FA to be solid starters.

Still doesn't change my mind of taking best talent on the board at the time which is why I would have gone CB in the 1st and DL in the 2nd.

You could also say we didn't need to draft another Safety in the 2nd because Trent had drafted 7 other safeties in prior years.

Acker and Reaser weren't projected 7th rounders and the only reason the dropped was because of injury (especially Reaser). Peters was getting suspended and ultimately got kicked off his team....everyone was b***hing about Baalke taking "headcases" in the draft then they turn around and say let's draft a kid who can't even stay on his own team in the top 15?? AND how was Peters proven? He didn't even take a single snap at the NFL level before the draft??

I guess I could say the same thing about not having a proven DE as well...Dorsey is a NT and so is Williams, Dial was a sub package player in his first year, TJE is one of the worst DE is the game, and Tank isn't a 3-4 DE we all knew that (I'm glad they are gonna try him at OLB).


And like I said Brock and Ward are both playing better in coverage than Peters and our 6th round pick Acker is right around the same in overall rating. Baalke doesn't draft CB high, never has but he always finds players in FA or later in the draft. He values pass rush and a stout DL and that's not gonna change. He wants a strong middle of the field and the proof is in how he drafts. Please tell me how we've had a top 10 pass D for years with no lock down CB??

Our issue currently on D is OLB and getting a ILB next to Bow not CB IMO.

I won't hate on Peters because he's playing fine for a rookie, but so is Armstead. DE is more important to our GM in our 3-4 and I agree. If there are two positions I'm fine with him evaluating it's CB and LB.

Draft Projection Round 7-Priority free agent
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/kenneth-acker?id=2549981

Draft Projection Priority free agent
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/keith-reaser?id=2543582

I never said anything about Peters? I just said I wanted a CB. I actually like Johnson better. Thought we could have just stayed at our spot and got a CB then went DL in the 2nd. I'm just saying that I think it's harder to find a good CB then a DL.

I don't like the term 3-4 DE I think it's silly. There's a LT NT RT lol that's the way I grew up that's the way I'm going to be. There are like 15 spots those DL can line up at and shift around. Dial is basically the same size as Arik and they can shift to many spots.

The biggest knock I saw on Arik was he has a hard time gaining leverage and shedding blockers so he can make tackles. Dial had 4 tackles against Cincy, Arik had none. Hopefully Arik can continue to work on his game and become awesome.

LT and RT are used to talk about left and right tackle so it's a little confusing to use that to describe our DEs. Dial is much heavier than Armstead because he used to play NT too(Dial is also a little smaller in height). I agree that Armstead is not shedding blockers well but having a full offseason will help him to develop this skill.

Oh yeah sorry. LDT, NT, RDT
Yeah I think Arik is just getting over powered by guys and held onto. Hopefully he gets stronger.
Originally posted by SoCold:
I just said I wanted a CB. I actually like Johnson better...

Me too...it seems like Mangini went with the two jam-press CB's in Johnson and Cromartie and they dominated the Falcons WR's and crushed it in the run support area. But then, goes back to Acker and Brock in his zone schemes after that.

Anyone know why? Matchups? Acker/Brock have more experience in the scheme and give Mangini more flexibility? Why not more man-press with a physically dominating CB's?
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SoCold:
I said proven CB's. We had no CB on the roster who had started more than a full season. That's a big question mark imo. Based on all the players Trent has drafted or signed that are not even on the team anymore I question 5th and 6th round picks that were projected 7th rounders or priority FA to be solid starters.

Still doesn't change my mind of taking best talent on the board at the time which is why I would have gone CB in the 1st and DL in the 2nd.

You could also say we didn't need to draft another Safety in the 2nd because Trent had drafted 7 other safeties in prior years.

Acker and Reaser weren't projected 7th rounders and the only reason the dropped was because of injury (especially Reaser). Peters was getting suspended and ultimately got kicked off his team....everyone was b***hing about Baalke taking "headcases" in the draft then they turn around and say let's draft a kid who can't even stay on his own team in the top 15?? AND how was Peters proven? He didn't even take a single snap at the NFL level before the draft??

I guess I could say the same thing about not having a proven DE as well...Dorsey is a NT and so is Williams, Dial was a sub package player in his first year, TJE is one of the worst DE is the game, and Tank isn't a 3-4 DE we all knew that (I'm glad they are gonna try him at OLB).


And like I said Brock and Ward are both playing better in coverage than Peters and our 6th round pick Acker is right around the same in overall rating. Baalke doesn't draft CB high, never has but he always finds players in FA or later in the draft. He values pass rush and a stout DL and that's not gonna change. He wants a strong middle of the field and the proof is in how he drafts. Please tell me how we've had a top 10 pass D for years with no lock down CB??

Our issue currently on D is OLB and getting a ILB next to Bow not CB IMO.

I won't hate on Peters because he's playing fine for a rookie, but so is Armstead. DE is more important to our GM in our 3-4 and I agree. If there are two positions I'm fine with him evaluating it's CB and LB.

Draft Projection Round 7-Priority free agent
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/kenneth-acker?id=2549981

Draft Projection Priority free agent
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/keith-reaser?id=2543582

I never said anything about Peters? I just said I wanted a CB. I actually like Johnson better. Thought we could have just stayed at our spot and got a CB then went DL in the 2nd. I'm just saying that I think it's harder to find a good CB then a DL.

I don't like the term 3-4 DE I think it's silly. There's a LT NT RT lol that's the way I grew up that's the way I'm going to be. There are like 15 spots those DL can line up at and shift around. Dial is basically the same size as Arik and they can shift to many spots.

The biggest knock I saw on Arik was he has a hard time gaining leverage and shedding blockers so he can make tackles. Dial had 4 tackles against Cincy, Arik had none. Hopefully Arik can continue to work on his game and become awesome.

Those draft profiles take into account that they were injured not how they played before (and what they were evaluated at pre-injury). I guess we will disagree on CB value VS DL value...it's one thing to find someone like Dial who can stuff the run but offer zero in pass rush vs someone like AA who can do both.

I just think a strong pass rush and stout middle of the field is far more important that CB. If you can't get to the QB doesn't matter if you have Revis no one can guard a WR for 5+ seconds lol.

FYI I liked Johnson far more than Peters, I just assumed you wanted Peters because everyone else likes to beat the dead horse on this thread about him without even really watching a full game of his.
Originally posted by SoCold:
Oh yeah sorry. LDT, NT, RDT
Yeah I think Arik is just getting over powered by guys and held onto. Hopefully he gets stronger.

see I don't really see him getting over powered at all...my issue with AA is that he's not following the ball and that is something that can be corrected with more snaps and practice.

We need to remember last season was his first full season as just a football player (and he was hurt for a good portion) plus he missed a ton of camp because of OU's late graduation. Every game he's getting better and I wouldn't be surprised to see him jump up in numbers next season.

I wouldn't be mad to grab Buckner in the draft if we move down or he's BPA. Kid is a stud and more polished then AA. Resigning Williams should have been done already IMO.

Williams, AA,Buckner,Dial and Dorsey as backup NT that's a solid DL that would make any OLB and CB simile.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SoCold:
I just said I wanted a CB. I actually like Johnson better...

Me too...it seems like Mangini went with the two jam-press CB's in Johnson and Cromartie and they dominated the Falcons WR's and crushed it in the run support area. But then, goes back to Acker and Brock in his zone schemes after that.

Anyone know why? Matchups? Acker/Brock have more experience in the scheme and give Mangini more flexibility? Why not more man-press with a physically dominating CB's?

???? Why did Devey start the first 10 games of the season.
Since Armstead and Purcell began getting more playing time, our DL has been collapsing the pocket much better as compared to the first few games of the year. And they are doing this even without Lynch.
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by SoCold:
I said proven CB's. We had no CB on the roster who had started more than a full season. That's a big question mark imo. Based on all the players Trent has drafted or signed that are not even on the team anymore I question 5th and 6th round picks that were projected 7th rounders or priority FA to be solid starters.

Still doesn't change my mind of taking best talent on the board at the time which is why I would have gone CB in the 1st and DL in the 2nd.

You could also say we didn't need to draft another Safety in the 2nd because Trent had drafted 7 other safeties in prior years.

Acker and Reaser weren't projected 7th rounders and the only reason the dropped was because of injury (especially Reaser). Peters was getting suspended and ultimately got kicked off his team....everyone was b***hing about Baalke taking "headcases" in the draft then they turn around and say let's draft a kid who can't even stay on his own team in the top 15?? AND how was Peters proven? He didn't even take a single snap at the NFL level before the draft??

I guess I could say the same thing about not having a proven DE as well...Dorsey is a NT and so is Williams, Dial was a sub package player in his first year, TJE is one of the worst DE is the game, and Tank isn't a 3-4 DE we all knew that (I'm glad they are gonna try him at OLB).


And like I said Brock and Ward are both playing better in coverage than Peters and our 6th round pick Acker is right around the same in overall rating. Baalke doesn't draft CB high, never has but he always finds players in FA or later in the draft. He values pass rush and a stout DL and that's not gonna change. He wants a strong middle of the field and the proof is in how he drafts. Please tell me how we've had a top 10 pass D for years with no lock down CB??

Our issue currently on D is OLB and getting a ILB next to Bow not CB IMO.

I won't hate on Peters because he's playing fine for a rookie, but so is Armstead. DE is more important to our GM in our 3-4 and I agree. If there are two positions I'm fine with him evaluating it's CB and LB.

Draft Projection Round 7-Priority free agent
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/kenneth-acker?id=2549981

Draft Projection Priority free agent
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/keith-reaser?id=2543582

I never said anything about Peters? I just said I wanted a CB. I actually like Johnson better. Thought we could have just stayed at our spot and got a CB then went DL in the 2nd. I'm just saying that I think it's harder to find a good CB then a DL.

I don't like the term 3-4 DE I think it's silly. There's a LT NT RT lol that's the way I grew up that's the way I'm going to be. There are like 15 spots those DL can line up at and shift around. Dial is basically the same size as Arik and they can shift to many spots.

The biggest knock I saw on Arik was he has a hard time gaining leverage and shedding blockers so he can make tackles. Dial had 4 tackles against Cincy, Arik had none. Hopefully Arik can continue to work on his game and become awesome.


the problem here is that.. we have fans here who just always BELIEVED in what Baalke was doing and drafting.. often, the arguments were WE DID NOT DRAFT A DE (ARMSTEAD) TO SACK THE QB, WE DRAFTED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS PLUGGER.. HE DID THAT IN OREGON, HE CLOGGED THE WHOLE, TOOK 2 BLOCKERS IN ORDER TO LET OTHER PEOPLE DO THE SACKING AND TACKLING..

DUHHH!!!

Tha's the same reason why I say that if draft Buckner, we will have the TALLEST, BIGGEST and SOFTEST DL in football if Buckner-Dial-Armstead all starts..
Originally posted by 9moon:
the problem here is that.. we have fans here who just always BELIEVED in what Baalke was doing and drafting.. often, the arguments were WE DID NOT DRAFT A DE (ARMSTEAD) TO SACK THE QB, WE DRAFTED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS PLUGGER.. HE DID THAT IN OREGON, HE CLOGGED THE WHOLE, TOOK 2 BLOCKERS IN ORDER TO LET OTHER PEOPLE DO THE SACKING AND TACKLING..

DUHHH!!!

Tha's the same reason why I say that if draft Buckner, we will have the TALLEST, BIGGEST and SOFTEST DL in football if Buckner-Dial-Armstead all starts..

There you go again talking about them being soft and have nothing to back it up with....

http://fansided.com/2015/12/13/49ers-browns-final-score-recap-result-highlights/; watch the 2nd clip and tell me if there's anything soft about that? as far as Buckner goes not only does he take on double teams but he actually has 9.5 sacks which is huge in a 3-4 for a DE. That's a added bonus! There's a reason he was named a all-american.

I can do all caps too WE DRAFTED AA BECAUSE HE HAS THE POTENTIAL AND ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO CLOG THE LANES AND RUSH THE PASSER!!!!
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 22, 2015 at 1:52 PM ]
Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SoCold:
I just said I wanted a CB. I actually like Johnson better...

Me too...it seems like Mangini went with the two jam-press CB's in Johnson and Cromartie and they dominated the Falcons WR's and crushed it in the run support area. But then, goes back to Acker and Brock in his zone schemes after that.

Anyone know why? Matchups? Acker/Brock have more experience in the scheme and give Mangini more flexibility? Why not more man-press with a physically dominating CB's?

???? Why did Devey start the first 10 games of the season.

Bingo!
Originally posted by Joecool:
Since Armstead and Purcell began getting more playing time, our DL has been collapsing the pocket much better as compared to the first few games of the year. And they are doing this even without Lynch.

DL dominated again last game...1.9 yard average. That is a quality observation. So far this season, Lynch, Rawles and another no-name in Cleveland had their way with our DL. The rest were pretty much shut down and included a lot of hot RB's at that time. I guess that great-game-good-game-crap-game is par for the course for a young front 7.
Yup, but the good news is , it is going in the right direction.
lol no wonder this guy doesn't make any tackles he runs away from the ball carrier.


https://vine.co/v/iKxKpHHe1lm
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Originally posted by susweel:
lol no wonder this guy doesn't make any tackles he runs away from the ball carrier.


https://vine.co/v/iKxKpHHe1lm


when i seen that, I was like, "WTF, he lead blocking?"
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homers gonna be like,

"excellent awareness to recognize the screen."

meanwhile, he just got blocked (by one man, not a double team) and couldn't get penetration. lol
[ Edited by ChazBoner on Dec 22, 2015 at 2:59 PM ]
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Originally posted by susweel:
lol no wonder this guy doesn't make any tackles he runs away from the ball carrier.


https://vine.co/v/iKxKpHHe1lm


when i seen that, I was like, "WTF, he lead blocking?"

srsly wtf was he thinking. this guy is an idiot lol
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