Jacksonville Jaguar Arik Armstead-DT Thread

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Got to take a DT at #31.

The odds that a rookie interior defensive linemen comes into the league and replicates Defo's production are not good. The reality is that most IDL don't become great pass rushers.

I have no clue how they're going to fill that void. Pray Dee Ford plays 16 games?

Exactly, too many fans foolishly thinking that a rookie DL draft pick fills the void of a pro-bowl 5-year veteran?? lol Not very likely, indeed.

Originally posted by SteveYoung8:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SteveYoung8:

Originally posted by Chez:

Originally posted by Fresh49:

Kept the wrong guy, this one year wonder better ball the f*×k out from here on smh. 🤬

back to pedestrian stats and injured half the season.

Exactly what I'm afraid of.

You know who never misses games? Buckner

Right. I always thought that keeping the entire DL intact was essential to the defense but I guess not. I'm concerned that AA will now relax and not try so hard since he cashed in after his contract year. They may have kept the wrong guy but now we'll have a better idea if AA simply benefited from Buckner and Bosa taking pressure off him or if he can actually generate similar production without Defo there.

Then you haven't followed him. This dude has worked his ass off from day 1, is so much more filled out now, has that grown man strength, hustles on every play, added an array of pass rush moves to his arsenal and has an attitude to go with it on anyone who questions his commitment or ability. He's a professional. I wouldn't worry about him. Edge is far more essential to a W9 scheme esp. given he moves inside and all 10 of his sacks have come in between the T's.

Buckner is a big loss but it's far easier to replace an IDT than edge. Period. And as a result, we can now keep our whole team intact and added more draft capital and added far more money to our cap health going forward.

This ain't Madden.

Originally posted by SteveYoung8:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Got to take a DT at #31.

The odds that a rookie interior defensive linemen comes into the league and replicates Defo's production are not good. The reality is that most IDL don't become great pass rushers.

I have no clue how they're going to fill that void. Pray Dee Ford plays 16 games?

Exactly, too many fans foolishly thinking that a rookie DL draft pick fills the void of a pro-bowl 5-year veteran?? lol Not very likely, indeed.

You are aware even with Buckner and his 800+ snaps a year, this defense was still giving up over 1,800 yards rushing a year and 4.5 ypc right? That's NOT good. And did it affect any wins or losses at all? Nope.

I'm willing to bet no matter who or how Kocurek plugs 3T and 2i, it won't be any worse than this. Why? Because it's a passing league. Finding pluggers inside isn't hard.

Where we're going to miss him most is in sacks and QB pressures and leadership. But when you're taking over 800+ snaps, it's hard to also bring a pass rush on top of that. Therefore, it's going to have to be a committee...but that committee should be more fresh which is why I don't anticipate much, if any, dropoff from overall production.

We can revisit this stance in a year.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
Personally I hope we move down a little from 13, if who ever Lynch really likes isn't there, or if he thinks we can move down some and still get our guy. I am not that dead set on getting a WR early as some are on here, Shanahan proved just last year that he can get a good WR a little later with Deebo, and we still need to see what Pettis+Hurd+Taylor can do for us this year. Personally I am fine with bringing Bourne back, and rolling with what we have at WR, even if Sanders leaves.

Bourne took big steps forward last season, Deebo is looking like a solid receiver, and if Taylor is back, he is a good slot WR. Hurd as a gadget guy is nice, WR some plays, TE others, and basically a traditional RB on a few carries a game as well. Hurd kind of allows us to be lean and mean on carrying RB's/TE's/WR's.

The 2020 season will be different than the 2019 season. 49ers need to up their deep passing game and get much better in that area to even stay the same and compete come playoff time next season which is why I'm in the deep-threat WR-top priority camp. The same running the ball and dink-n-dunk is not going to cut it anymore with a target on their back in 2020. Deebo is emerging but he's a slot guy and really nothing more. I'm on the fence about Bourne but he has made some clutch catches so they probably keep him. I'm hoping they part ways with Goodwin, Pettis and Taylor. They've been too inconsistent and/or too chronically injured to justify sucking money out of the now-limited cap space that can be better utilized for players who can stay on the field and produce. Taylor's foot has been a disaster, I'd be surprised if he's the same guy if/when he EVENTUALLY gets back on the field, I question his longevity when that happens and he's just another slot guy so he seems very expendable.

Originally posted by Bobdawg78:

Personally I hope we move down a little from 13, if who ever Lynch really likes isn't there, or if he thinks we can move down some and still get our guy.

Lynch?? You really trust him with making this call?

17mil. Damn. He better give more stomach rubbing plays.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I just keep thinking if Amrstrad is worth 17 just pay Buck 21.

Look at the actual contracts. It's not nearly that close, AA's deal isn't going to end near 17mil per unless he plays at an all pro level and they keep him in the later backloaded years.

First 2 years against the cap:
DeFo 40.3 million
AA 18.5 million

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I just keep thinking if Amrstrad is worth 17 just pay Buck 21.

Look at the actual contracts. It's not nearly that close, AA's deal isn't going to end near 17mil per unless he plays at an all pro level and they keep him in the later backloaded years.

First 2 years against the cap:
DeFo 40.3 million
AA 18.5 million

I know, but imo Buckner is the obviously better player and was never hurt. Armstead is nowhere near that imo.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I just keep thinking if Amrstrad is worth 17 just pay Buck 21.

Did you not look at the contract? Go look at AA's cap hit the next two yrs

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I know, but imo Buckner is the obviously better player and was never hurt. Armstead is nowhere near that imo.

Dude if you knew you wouldn't have said if AA is worth $17M per yr because he's not getting that the first two yrs.

Buck is better no doubt...he's making like twice as much money as well lol.

When do we get to throw out the injury prone comment? He's been healthy for two yrs now.

They tried to resign Buck for over a yr now, he clearly wasn't gonna take any sort of discount to stay in SF. The writing was on the wall. AA at half the price and 13th overall pick isn't a horrible 2nd choice.

A healthy DJ Jones is a positive as well.

Congrats kid. You earned it.


Now, keep working on shutting down the edge on those mobile QB's.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I know, but imo Buckner is the obviously better player and was never hurt. Armstead is nowhere near that imo.

Dude if you knew you wouldn't have said if AA is worth $17M per yr because he's not getting that the first two yrs.

Buck is better no doubt...he's making like twice as much money as well lol.

When do we get to throw out the injury prone comment? He's been healthy for two yrs now.

They tried to resign Buck for over a yr now, he clearly wasn't gonna take any sort of discount to stay in SF. The writing was on the wall. AA at half the price and 13th overall pick isn't a horrible 2nd choice.

A healthy DJ Jones is a positive as well.

Nobody in their mind thought we would keep Armstead over Buck.

This was a cap move. If he wasn't the best player on our team he was the second (bosa/Kittle).

I get the contract structure, but what happened to the crowd saying we can keep everyone? Now we're all being told this was inevitable

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Nobody in their mind thought we would keep Armstead over Buck.

This was a cap move. If he wasn't the best player on our team he was the second (bosa/Kittle).

I get the contract structure, but what happened to the crowd saying we can keep everyone? Now we're all being told this was inevitable

True. We definitely could have kept him. But then nearly 30% of the teams total cap spending would be on the DL position alone.

I've been very hard on Paraag and his moneyball approach over the years but this is really the right move. It certainly sucks ass from a fan perspective though.

But Buckner was the one asking for $50M GTD and $21M APY. Insane.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Nobody in their mind thought we would keep Armstead over Buck.

This was a cap move. If he wasn't the best player on our team he was the second (bosa/Kittle).

I get the contract structure, but what happened to the crowd saying we can keep everyone? Now we're all being told this was inevitable

True. We definitely could have kept him. But then nearly 30% of the teams total cap spending would be on the DL position alone.

I've been very hard on Paraag and his moneyball approach over the years but this is really the right move. It certainly sucks ass from a fan perspective though.

But Buckner was the one asking for $50M GTD and $21M APY. Insane.

I get it. As a fan this just hurts. He was one of our best players. And imo better than armstead. But I understand they put all options on the table and took the best bet.

The d-line will always be a huge part of our cap. It's how we're built.

I want to say I'm a tad curious to see Thomas at 3 tech, but if anything they will trade him too. In reality we will see a drop off because Buckner was that good.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I know, but imo Buckner is the obviously better player and was never hurt. Armstead is nowhere near that imo.

Dude if you knew you wouldn't have said if AA is worth $17M per yr because he's not getting that the first two yrs.

Buck is better no doubt...he's making like twice as much money as well lol.

When do we get to throw out the injury prone comment? He's been healthy for two yrs now.

They tried to resign Buck for over a yr now, he clearly wasn't gonna take any sort of discount to stay in SF. The writing was on the wall. AA at half the price and 13th overall pick isn't a horrible 2nd choice.

A healthy DJ Jones is a positive as well.

Nobody in their mind thought we would keep Armstead over Buck.

This was a cap move. If he wasn't the best player on our team he was the second (bosa/Kittle).

I get the contract structure, but what happened to the crowd saying we can keep everyone? Now we're all being told this was inevitable

But wait, how was this a cap move? We were told that the cap is just make-believe* and that we can keep every player we want, and that we have enough money for Buckner, Armstead, and Kittle.

* unless it's a rival team making cap moves, like the Seahawks or the Rams. Then the salary cap is a very-real thing, and the decisions they make will damn them for years to come.