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  • Rascal
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Rascal:
So, let me get this right, are you saying Hyde + Hunter > Beast Mode + Turbin + Michael + possibly Todd Gurley then ?

There is no more "drastic" need to add a free agent RB anymore since DeMarco Murray has already signed with the Eagles. Murray is an exceptional talent and frankly at $40 mil for 5 is a great bargain. Just you watch, the Cowboys are going to regret. Murray is the only RB in free agency I would consider splurge on. Since he is off the table now, we can now turn to the draft and get a top RB.

I'm not sure why you seem to intent on comparing the 49ers to other teams or why you keep insisting that Seattle without a draft pick until the late 2nd round will somehow acquire Todd Gurley, and even if they did, why that at all would reflect on the 49ers. I frankly couldn't give a damn about what other teams are doing at RB.


I look at the 49ers and see quite a bit of talent with Hyde and Hunter. Add one more guy through the draft, even someone like a David Johnson or a Cobb and I feel that they'd be good to go, especially if you consider that you also have Miller and Millard at the FB spot.

Yes, I absolutely do. I believe Todd Gurley would drop because of his ACL. Have you forgotten people were saying Marcus Lattimore could have been a 1st round pick if he hadn't suffered his injury ? And when did he get drafted ? He fell all the way to the 4th. I am not saying Gurley will fall to the 4th, but end of 2nd is definitely on the cards in my opinion. You see, not all teams are crazy about ACL players like the 49ers.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Rascal:
So, let me get this right, are you saying Hyde + Hunter > Beast Mode + Turbin + Michael + possibly Todd Gurley then ?

There is no more "drastic" need to add a free agent RB anymore since DeMarco Murray has already signed with the Eagles. Murray is an exceptional talent and frankly at $40 mil for 5 is a great bargain. Just you watch, the Cowboys are going to regret. Murray is the only RB in free agency I would consider splurge on. Since he is off the table now, we can now turn to the draft and get a top RB.

I'm not sure why you seem to intent on comparing the 49ers to other teams or why you keep insisting that Seattle without a draft pick until the late 2nd round will somehow acquire Todd Gurley, and even if they did, why that at all would reflect on the 49ers. I frankly couldn't give a damn about what other teams are doing at RB.


I look at the 49ers and see quite a bit of talent with Hyde and Hunter. Add one more guy through the draft, even someone like a David Johnson or a Cobb and I feel that they'd be good to go, especially if you consider that you also have Miller and Millard at the FB spot.

Yes, I absolutely do. I believe Todd Gurley would drop because of his ACL. Have you forgotten people were saying Marcus Lattimore could have been a 1st round pick if he hadn't suffered his injury ? And when did he get drafted ? He fell all the way to the 4th. I am not saying Gurley will fall to the 4th, but end of 2nd is definitely on the cards in my opinion. You see, not all teams are crazy about ACL players like the 49ers.
Marcus had two different knee injuries in two years. The second one was more than just an ACL, it was almost every ligament in his knee.
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I bet McFadden would kill it behind that line. Murray had like 63% of his yards before contact.

This. I think Dallas was wise in not overpaying for a RB that they pretty much ran into the ground last season. His success had a lot to do with how dominant that offensive line was.

2 things, yes Dallas has a fantastic O-line no doubt, but that doesn't mean any Tom, Dick and Harry can rush for over 1,800 yards.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by pd24:
I bet McFadden would kill it behind that line. Murray had like 63% of his yards before contact.

This. I think Dallas was wise in not overpaying for a RB that they pretty much ran into the ground last season. His success had a lot to do with how dominant that offensive line was.

2 things, yes Dallas has a fantastic O-line no doubt, but that doesn't mean any Tom, Dick and Harry can rush for over 1,800 yards.

Where was Murray in the first 3 years? Hurt. Contract year and breaks a hand and doesn't miss a game. He had 1 good year. 1100 of his yards this past year were before contact.
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Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Rascal:
So, let me get this right, are you saying Hyde + Hunter > Beast Mode + Turbin + Michael + possibly Todd Gurley then ?

There is no more "drastic" need to add a free agent RB anymore since DeMarco Murray has already signed with the Eagles. Murray is an exceptional talent and frankly at $40 mil for 5 is a great bargain. Just you watch, the Cowboys are going to regret. Murray is the only RB in free agency I would consider splurge on. Since he is off the table now, we can now turn to the draft and get a top RB.

I'm not sure why you seem to intent on comparing the 49ers to other teams or why you keep insisting that Seattle without a draft pick until the late 2nd round will somehow acquire Todd Gurley, and even if they did, why that at all would reflect on the 49ers. I frankly couldn't give a damn about what other teams are doing at RB.


I look at the 49ers and see quite a bit of talent with Hyde and Hunter. Add one more guy through the draft, even someone like a David Johnson or a Cobb and I feel that they'd be good to go, especially if you consider that you also have Miller and Millard at the FB spot.

Yes, I absolutely do. I believe Todd Gurley would drop because of his ACL. Have you forgotten people were saying Marcus Lattimore could have been a 1st round pick if he hadn't suffered his injury ? And when did he get drafted ? He fell all the way to the 4th. I am not saying Gurley will fall to the 4th, but end of 2nd is definitely on the cards in my opinion. You see, not all teams are crazy about ACL players like the 49ers.
Marcus had two different knee injuries in two years. The second one was more than just an ACL, it was almost every ligament in his knee.

Yes, I realize that. That is why I said Gurley won't drop to the 4th, but 2nd round is still a possibility. In general, not many teams (again apart from the 9ers) like to draft ACL players especially if you are talking about high picks like 1st and 2nd round.
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Originally posted by pd24:
Where was Murray in the first 3 years? Hurt. Contract year and breaks a hand and doesn't miss a game. He had 1 good year. 1100 of his yards this past year were before contact.

OK, so you are saying the Cowboys can just plug in any RB and they will be just as good right ? I disagree, I think the Cowboys will regret about Murray. Let's wait and see what happens then.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Where was Murray in the first 3 years? Hurt. Contract year and breaks a hand and doesn't miss a game. He had 1 good year. 1100 of his yards this past year were before contact.

OK, so you are saying the Cowboys can just plug in any RB and they will be just as good right ? I disagree, I think the Cowboys will regret about Murray. Let's wait and see what happens then.

He is replaceable with a 1st or 2nd round rb and they can use that money on defense to make the team better.
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Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Where was Murray in the first 3 years? Hurt. Contract year and breaks a hand and doesn't miss a game. He had 1 good year. 1100 of his yards this past year were before contact.

OK, so you are saying the Cowboys can just plug in any RB and they will be just as good right ? I disagree, I think the Cowboys will regret about Murray. Let's wait and see what happens then.

He is replaceable with a 1st or 2nd round rb and they can use that money on defense to make the team better.

Then, I could put forward the same argument that they could build the defense through the draft as well, Just look at their O-line, they sure did build it through the draft when everybody were laughing at them saying why would they blow a 1st on a center, remember that ? The thing about Murray is he is proven, you go to the draft you could end up with another Trent Richardson if you are not careful. Plus, their offense was clicking already, they got the formula and personnel down last season.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Where was Murray in the first 3 years? Hurt. Contract year and breaks a hand and doesn't miss a game. He had 1 good year. 1100 of his yards this past year were before contact.

OK, so you are saying the Cowboys can just plug in any RB and they will be just as good right ? I disagree, I think the Cowboys will regret about Murray. Let's wait and see what happens then.

He is replaceable with a 1st or 2nd round rb and they can use that money on defense to make the team better.

Then, I could put forward the same argument that they could build the defense through the draft as well, Just look at their O-line, they sure did build it through the draft when everybody were laughing at them saying why would they blow a 1st on a center, remember that ? The thing about Murray is he is proven, you go to the draft you could end up with another Trent Richardson if you are not careful. Plus, their offense was clicking already, they got the formula and personnel down last season.

How many guys with 390 carries and over tore it up again the following year? Maybe 5?
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Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Where was Murray in the first 3 years? Hurt. Contract year and breaks a hand and doesn't miss a game. He had 1 good year. 1100 of his yards this past year were before contact.

OK, so you are saying the Cowboys can just plug in any RB and they will be just as good right ? I disagree, I think the Cowboys will regret about Murray. Let's wait and see what happens then.

He is replaceable with a 1st or 2nd round rb and they can use that money on defense to make the team better.

Then, I could put forward the same argument that they could build the defense through the draft as well, Just look at their O-line, they sure did build it through the draft when everybody were laughing at them saying why would they blow a 1st on a center, remember that ? The thing about Murray is he is proven, you go to the draft you could end up with another Trent Richardson if you are not careful. Plus, their offense was clicking already, they got the formula and personnel down last season.

How many guys with 390 carries and over tore it up again the following year? Maybe 5?

With that O-line ? Would have been quite possible.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Where was Murray in the first 3 years? Hurt. Contract year and breaks a hand and doesn't miss a game. He had 1 good year. 1100 of his yards this past year were before contact.

OK, so you are saying the Cowboys can just plug in any RB and they will be just as good right ? I disagree, I think the Cowboys will regret about Murray. Let's wait and see what happens then.

He is replaceable with a 1st or 2nd round rb and they can use that money on defense to make the team better.

Then, I could put forward the same argument that they could build the defense through the draft as well, Just look at their O-line, they sure did build it through the draft when everybody were laughing at them saying why would they blow a 1st on a center, remember that ? The thing about Murray is he is proven, you go to the draft you could end up with another Trent Richardson if you are not careful. Plus, their offense was clicking already, they got the formula and personnel down last season.

How many guys with 390 carries and over tore it up again the following year? Maybe 5?

With that O-line ? Would have been quite possible.

Still. Like 5?... with that oline they will have another good running back. Joseph Randle averaged almost 7 yards a carry in over 50 carries last year.
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Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Where was Murray in the first 3 years? Hurt. Contract year and breaks a hand and doesn't miss a game. He had 1 good year. 1100 of his yards this past year were before contact.

OK, so you are saying the Cowboys can just plug in any RB and they will be just as good right ? I disagree, I think the Cowboys will regret about Murray. Let's wait and see what happens then.

He is replaceable with a 1st or 2nd round rb and they can use that money on defense to make the team better.

Then, I could put forward the same argument that they could build the defense through the draft as well, Just look at their O-line, they sure did build it through the draft when everybody were laughing at them saying why would they blow a 1st on a center, remember that ? The thing about Murray is he is proven, you go to the draft you could end up with another Trent Richardson if you are not careful. Plus, their offense was clicking already, they got the formula and personnel down last season.

How many guys with 390 carries and over tore it up again the following year? Maybe 5?

With that O-line ? Would have been quite possible.

Still. Like 5?... with that oline they will have another good running back. Joseph Randle averaged almost 7 yards a carry in over 50 carries last year.

It doesn't really matter whether it is 5 as long as Murray is one of the 5. I think Joseph Randle is pretty good, but still I think there will be some drop-off, as to how significant ? It remains to be seen.
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by pd24:
Where was Murray in the first 3 years? Hurt. Contract year and breaks a hand and doesn't miss a game. He had 1 good year. 1100 of his yards this past year were before contact.

OK, so you are saying the Cowboys can just plug in any RB and they will be just as good right ? I disagree, I think the Cowboys will regret about Murray. Let's wait and see what happens then.

He is replaceable with a 1st or 2nd round rb and they can use that money on defense to make the team better.

Then, I could put forward the same argument that they could build the defense through the draft as well, Just look at their O-line, they sure did build it through the draft when everybody were laughing at them saying why would they blow a 1st on a center, remember that ? The thing about Murray is he is proven, you go to the draft you could end up with another Trent Richardson if you are not careful. Plus, their offense was clicking already, they got the formula and personnel down last season.

How many guys with 390 carries and over tore it up again the following year? Maybe 5?

With that O-line ? Would have been quite possible.

Still. Like 5?... with that oline they will have another good running back. Joseph Randle averaged almost 7 yards a carry in over 50 carries last year.

It doesn't really matter whether it is 5 as long as Murray is one of the 5. I think Joseph Randle is pretty good, but still I think there will be some drop-off, as to how significant ? It remains to be seen.

How many time has a running back had back to back 1800 yard seasons? I bet the Cowboys running back will have more yards than Murray.
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Originally posted by pd24:
How many time has a running back had back to back 1800 yard seasons? I bet the Cowboys running back will have more yards than Murray.

It will be hard to make a direct comparison. The Eagles' schemes are completely different plus with so many backs (if they keep them all), they could be spreading the ball more evenly. If I am not wrong, Chip Kelly likes to spread things out more as opposed to running between the tackles. Who knows, may be Cowboys' more traditional north-south running style with that O-line could be more effective than Chip Kelly's system ? Like I said, it will be very hard to compare.
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