Eric Mangini Thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Joecool:
I'm just not a believer of blitzing when your front is strong. Now factor in being a more ball-controlled offense that wants to lean more on the run-game and you have an unbalance of offense and defensive philosophy. The defense is willing to take risks that could put us down by 10 points quickly yet the offense wants to be more of a "keep the clock" running offense which usually isn't able to be high scoring.

The only team that I know of that was able to manage two opposite ends of the spectrum philosophy was the 85 Bears. Those teams don't come around up very often.

I think it also plays right into the hands of the offenses these days that are geared with a 3rd WR and shorter passes to counter the blitzes. Aaron Rodgers and most of the top 10 QB's play very well against the blitz. In actuality, they welcome the blitz because it makes their post snap reads easier. PreSnap is more difficult but these QB's can make these post snap reads quick enough. We frustrated higher level QB's because we gave them an easy presnap read but a difficult postsnap read since they had to scan the entire field to look for the open receiver and most of the time, it was to settle underneath with 2+ defenders swarming rather than one player trying to cover the empty spot from a blitz. This made it difficult for teams to gain yards after the catch. When these QB's would lose patience and go big, they were intercepted.

Originally posted by Joecool:
But that's what made it so difficult to opposing QB's. The simplicity of the front also meant that there was not going to be much space under 10 yards. Now the QB must wait for the secondary to reveal itself, which means standing longer in the pocket. Most QB's mental clocks are about to end by the time they determine the secondary. And if they do make a quick underneath throw, we have enough coverage in the front to converge quickly resulting in no RAC.

Now, with blitzing, a QB can make the quick throw. This means, another player is sprinting over to fill the gap of the blitzer. Now you have more one-on-one after the catch matchups. This is what results in more RAC.

Agree with a lot of what you stated in these two posts. We just lost out best pass rusher so the front isn't as strong as it was last week. Fangio and Mangini have different methods of achieving the same goal - confuse. Fangio opted to give the same presnap look over and over and over, then throw a myriad of coverages at the QB. He can do this with a good 4 man pass rush.

Mangini will not have the same luxury and will need to have the option of creative blitz packages. Mangini seems to want to come with a lot of pre-snap looks to confuse. Then probably looks to further confuse post-snap. This results in more complex defensive playcalls (formation, what to do presnap, what to do post snap) Like many have stated, it will be a game by game basis so I suppose if he can apply pressure with 4, he will do that and dial down the blitzes.

that's the main thing. every game is different so why not approach every game differently.. be specific in shutting down an opponent.
if a team is great at blitz pickup then don't blitz. show blitz, allow them to get into their hot reads, drop back and let them rush into a play they didn't need to.
if a team's back is bad at picking up the blitz, send bowman constantly.
etc etc etc. if they can't handle the stunt? let's stunt. if its important to just keep gap integrity and the offense will come to you.. do that.

More from Brock via Cohn (accidently clicked on it but to is credit it was JUST solid information)

SANTA CLARA – Cornerback Tramaine Brock spoke in the 49ers' auditorium Wednesday afternoon. Here are selected quotes.

Q: Has there been much of an adjustment to the new defense being installed this year?

BROCK: Yeah, it's a whole different package.

Q: How does that affect you?

BROCK: As a corner, it's still man, Cover 4, Cover 3 – it's just a whole different package. It really doesn't affect me as much.

Q: You guys were so good on defense the past four years. Was there an initial reaction amongst the defense of why are we changing what we did when it worked so well in the previous years?

BROCK: We have a whole different staff, a different defensive coordinator. So we brought in a new package.

Q: It seems like you guys are doing well in practice. Is it something where you guys have embraced this new defense and feel like you can make as many plays as you made in the old defense?

BROCK: I like this defense a lot that we have now, but the old defense, we were able to make plays, too. But this defense, I feel like it's more aggressive.

Q: And that fits your personal style well?

BROCK: I like it.

Q: How frustrating was last season for you?

BROCK: It was bad mentally and physically. I tried to handle it the best way I could. I'm just coming here this season focused and trying to start off how I did in 2013. Just bring my season from 2013 to this season. That's my focus.

Q: At what point did you finally feel you were healthy?

BROCK: At the end of this year's OTAs. My hamstring was still messing with me but it wasn't bad. When we came back for training camp, that's when I felt the best.

Q: Were you surprised at all last year at how debilitating a toe injury can be during everyday life?

BROCK: Oh yeah, of course. I didn't understand that injury at first. It started in my ankle, then it went to my toe, then it went to my hamstring. I was dealing with all of those injuries at once. It held me back the whole year.

Q: You haven't taken any days off during camp?

BROCK: No.

Q: Is that a pretty good sign to you that you can go out there every day?

BROCK: Yeah. That was my first time being hurt last year. It was my first time really playing defense, but I know my body is healthy.

Q: What kind of emotional lift does having NaVorro Bowman back give you guys?

BROCK: Just his presence. Just his attitude and his style of play and his aggressiveness. We need all our guys to compete at the highest level in the NFC West. It's good to have him back.

Q: What do you think of the cornerback situation as a whole?

BROCK: We've got a lot of talent and competition going on. We're just all competing for the spot. Me, my mindset is the No. 1 corner, and I'm trying to win the Nickel job, too. We're just competing. First week, we'll find out which spots will be taken.

Q: What makes Anquan Boldin tough to cover?

BROCK: Just his power and his intelligence. He knows the game. He's a veteran, and he's been good for eight-plus years. He just knows football and he knows how to beat guys with his body and his quikness.

Q: Why do you want to be the Nickel?

BROCK: I want to play it. I always wanted to play it, but the defensive coordinators in the past didn't want me in the slot. They wanted other guys there, so I never got the chance. Now they're giving me the opportunity to play it.

Q: What do you like about it?

BROCK: I can be aggressive. We've got a few blitzes for the Nickel. Man to man. It's a challenge.

Q: Are you going to do special teams, too?

BROCK: They've got me on a few special teams – kickoff and punt return.

Q: How much harder is Nickel than being on the outside?

BROCK: I would say it's harder. It's more space, so you've got a lot of ground to cover.

Q: Generally, those slot receivers are going to be different than the receivers you see outside?

BROCK: Some of them. Some of them can be tall. Some of them can be short and fast and swift. And you've got some like Anquan Boldin. I feel like I could match up pretty well with any slot man. A taller man would be more of a challenge, but I feel like I could match up with him, too.

Q: What's your impression of DeAndrew White?

BROCK: I like him to be in the battle with the No. 3 receiver.

Q: What does he do well?

BROCK: Everything. Speed, quickness, power. I feel like he's got it all.


http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/cb-tramaine-brock-wr-deandrew-white-feel-like-hes-got/

Q: How does that affect you? BROCK: As a corner, it's still man, Cover 4, Cover 3 – it's just a whole different package. It really doesn't affect me as much.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
Q: How does that affect you? BROCK: As a corner, it's still man, Cover 4, Cover 3 – it's just a whole different package. It really doesn't affect me as much.

i.e. same coverage schemes as last year. Just the big changes in the front 7, pre and post-snap confusion and many more rotations and personnel switches.

I'll say this:

I think we can blitz the crap out of Wilson and succeed.

He's due for lucky plays no matter what, but the blitz can end drives more often with him I think and definitely expose him as an amateur. All he can beat you with on a blitz is a 50/50 jump ball.

With the Bowman spy, we can rest easy knowing he won't escape the pocket (see start of 2013 game at Candlestick Park).

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
I'll say this:

I think we can blitz the crap out of Wilson and succeed.

He's due for lucky plays no matter what, but the blitz can end drives more often with him I think and definitely expose him as an amateur. All he can beat you with on a blitz is a 50/50 jump ball.

With the Bowman spy, we can rest easy knowing he won't escape the pocket (see start of 2013 game at Candlestick Park).

do something other than a jailhouse blitz which is all vic dialed up against them.

blitz and cover the back. that's all that needs to be done.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
I'll say this:

I think we can blitz the crap out of Wilson and succeed.

He's due for lucky plays no matter what, but the blitz can end drives more often with him I think and definitely expose him as an amateur. All he can beat you with on a blitz is a 50/50 jump ball.

With the Bowman spy, we can rest easy knowing he won't escape the pocket (see start of 2013 game at Candlestick Park).

Thats a dangerous gamble if he escapes to the outside. It just takes one blocker to get to bowman and it goes bad from there. Blitzes are important just gotta be smart against a mobile qb.

Originally posted by gold49er2183:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

I'll say this:

I think we can blitz the crap out of Wilson and succeed.

He's due for lucky plays no matter what, but the blitz can end drives more often with him I think and definitely expose him as an amateur. All he can beat you with on a blitz is a 50/50 jump ball.

With the Bowman spy, we can rest easy knowing he won't escape the pocket (see start of 2013 game at Candlestick Park).

Thats a dangerous gamble if he escapes to the outside. It just takes one blocker to get to bowman and it goes bad from there. Blitzes are important just gotta be smart against a mobile qb.

I would play WILSON the same way we have for years. He never had great games against us. Maybe one.

It will be funner watching the defense being more aggressive but I don't think it will work as well vs the top QBs in the league who can pick blitz apart with option routes or quick audibles once they have deciphered the formation.

Toughest thing for an offense is when they know there isn't really a weakness to take advantage of and that the game is just going to be a patient grind without very many big plays. THAT is when an offense begins to make mistakes because offenses in this era are so accustomed to scoring quicker or moving at a faster pace.

Originally posted by Joecool:
It will be funner watching the defense being more aggressive but I don't think it will work as well vs the top QBs in the league who can pick blitz apart with option routes or quick audibles once they have deciphered the formation.

Toughest thing for an offense is when they know there isn't really a weakness to take advantage of and that the game is just going to be a patient grind without very many big plays. THAT is when an offense begins to make mistakes because offenses in this era are so accustomed to scoring quicker or moving at a faster pace.

In those cases when we play stellar QB's against the blitz, I hope Mangini leans on the front 5 rotating and disguising pre and post snap coverages...pretty much what we always do...with a rotation being the difference.

Originally posted by jeepzilla:
I would play WILSON the same way we have for years. He never had great games against us. Maybe one.

Originally posted by Joecool:
It will be funner watching the defense being more aggressive but I don't think it will work as well vs the top QBs in the league who can pick blitz apart with option routes or quick audibles once they have deciphered the formation.

Toughest thing for an offense is when they know there isn't really a weakness to take advantage of and that the game is just going to be a patient grind without very many big plays. THAT is when an offense begins to make mistakes because offenses in this era are so accustomed to scoring quicker or moving at a faster pace.

everyone is hung up on the word blitz and what it means. bringing more than standard rushers = a blitz. so it doesn't mean we're going to jail house it every time we blitz. it means that 1 more person than the standard is a blitz.

pressure doesn't even mean blitz. pressure could mean sending bowman and dropping brooks into coverage when they're not expecting it. bringing both ilb and dropping both olb and having the safeties cover the intermediate could put pressure on the qb.

and it looks like we're going to be doing some of the same things as far as fronts go.. showing one thing and doing another. its just that sometimes we'll actually bring pressure as opposed to usually not. when we blitzed under fangio it was like lol 10 people at the line of scrimmage.. there was no reading there was no guessing on what was happening. the only time anyone outside of the line and olb were at the line of scrimmage was on a blitz period.
so yea THAT is easy to decipher let's see what mangini has in store first.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
I'll say this:

I think we can blitz the crap out of Wilson and succeed.

He's due for lucky plays no matter what, but the blitz can end drives more often with him I think and definitely expose him as an amateur. All he can beat you with on a blitz is a 50/50 jump ball.

With the Bowman spy, we can rest easy knowing he won't escape the pocket (see start of 2013 game at Candlestick Park).

Despite our setbacks, this is probably the most young + talented D Mangini has coached since he was a coord. in New England.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Despite our setbacks, this is probably the most young + talented D Mangini has coached since he was a coord. in New England.

He has to feel really good about stepping into this situation.

An added benefit is his tenure w/the team. He knows them and they know him.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

I'll say this:

I think we can blitz the crap out of Wilson and succeed.

He's due for lucky plays no matter what, but the blitz can end drives more often with him I think and definitely expose him as an amateur. All he can beat you with on a blitz is a 50/50 jump ball.

With the Bowman spy, we can rest easy knowing he won't escape the pocket (see start of 2013 game at Candlestick Park).

Shouldn't that be a flag for an illegal hit? It has been In the past when we have hit Wilson and Bree's in the Chest!