Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Well, I can only speak to what I saw on film from the Chicago game last week(I did scout out chicago) and honestly, I probably would've called a similar game to what Roman did. When you look at the film from their game against the Bills, Chicago was terrible against the read option. Jared Allen looked overmatched against QB runs, Lance Briggs looked like he was trying to be a hero against the read option as well, overall, they gave up a lot of yards off the read-option - sometimes to the QB or to the RB.
When you see that kind of thing on film - you would be an idiot not to try and take advantage. Also, that's the only real film you have to go off of and the Bills ran so much out of that set that you didn't see how well Chicago played against much else.
I don't blame Roman for the read-option, or a lot of the pass calls. The fact is, the players have to execute. I'm sure when I go to look at the film tomorrow that what I'll see is horrendously sloppy play, poor attention to the little things and tons of missed opportunities.
This loss stung me harder than any regular season loss has that I can remember - so I'm not saying this to defend or ease anyone. I'm more irritated with the players than the coaches right now, they're paid huge money that comes from us fans buying tickets, merchandise, and watching these games, they need to play like it. You get paid for two halves of football - not one, if you want a vacation or to take off work early on Sunday, go work somewhere else.....
johnny I think you're right and this is absolutely true. Scout the opponent and create a game plan based on it. My only problem is when it's clear they've scouted your tendencies, adjustments have to be made. After the first read-option fumble and tackles for loss, we were STILL running it. That's my problem. You're correct players have to execute - like Boone's whiff on 3rd and 1 and Millers and Iupati's misses on run blocking, etc. I agree players must execute but when the entire TEAM isn't executing, that's a higher level thing for me, that's a coaching issue. I'm irritated with both players and coaches but IMHO, one person not performing vs a whole department are two different things. If a department is performing poorly, I'm coming after a manager.
Both of you make solid points.
I'd also like to add that if you were Roman, wouldn't you give the Bears defense the benefit of the doubt and say to yourself "they will probably clean this up and be more prepared for this so maybe we should have this as a plan B." Don't tell me just because the Bills had success that you expect to have the same success and force your will in trying to achieve it. That's just plain stupid.
True, but, at the same point you can't expect someone to just all of the sudden be better at something because they were bad at it the week before. If they had a repeated pattern from weeks of film that you could look at and say, "well that was an anomaly" instead of one week of "turrible" than yes, I would say it is foolish. However, even up to Ck's fumble, we still had 4-5 yards gained on that play and Gore was running well, it's not like it wasn't working, CK has to hold onto the ball on a run - it's that simple. After that, I'd have to look at the film for his final 2 picks, but we were running the ball well out of the read-option, not like the Bills were, but it was having a degree of success. Also, the running game is something that you HAVE to be patient with. You cannot set up a run-heavy game plan and decide after the first half - with a 10 point lead, that you're going to abandon it or go in a different direction.
It sounds like we want to blame Roman for players getting called for penalties as well. Was it a systemic breakdown? Yes. Can we lay it at the coaches feet? I don't think so. Can we lay some of it at their feet? Yes. But, emotion colors everything, especially after a visceral loss. This was a game that was like 8 things all went wrong for us, but, if only 7 go wrong for us we still win.
There were phantom penalties, real penalties, miscues on the O-line, a quarterback collapse, and some bad coaching calls.
If you were Roman, what would you have done differently? Would you call more 3 WR set passes? Run more I-formation runs? WR screens? I'm just looking for input, because, from where I stand right now, I can't see much of what they could've done differently, from a coaching standpoint.
How do you as a coach, during a game, correct penalties occuring at a rate you've never experienced before with a team? How do you make your QB throw a ball more accurately during a game in which he's off? His two late INT's were the right read from what I saw during the game, they were just BAD throws.
The biggest fail I saw from the coaching wasn't on the offensive side of the ball. It was on the defensive. How Vic Fangio did not make some sort of adjustment to Brandon Marshall in the endzone is beyond me. They put Marshall in the slot every freaking time. He's 6'5" against a 5'11" Rookie. To me, you have to change something up there. You either have to put a LB on him underneath so give Ward some help, or a Safety on the inside to help Ward maintain some outside leverage, or a better option, put Culliver on him. Culliver is a couple inches taller than Ward and it would've been a better matchup. Do something different. 3 TD's to the same guy, all in the red zone is ridiculous.
. the team righted the ship so i am ok giving them that much time if not more before i go nuts. I am numb to roman and to the playclock issues so they really do not upset me anymore
. i really believe it is a marathon and not a sprint. i also believe while we and seattle are 1-1 and behind 2-0 cardinals,, both of us are better than they are... if the end of the season comes around and I am wrong I will own up to it. i have been happy to see whenever this team has its back against the wall and its them vs us,, the team responds. I wish we were the underdog every week and people talk trash about us every week and NEVER give us respect or make us a favorite in a ball game.. that is when this team seems to be at its best. will find out soon
