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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
It seems to me that they are trying to put as many folks wide as possible, which leaves Gore on the bench and CK as an optional runner. Not a bad strategy but CK doesn't have the patience or the OLine to stay in the pocket long enough for things to develop. Watching Denver you can see them generate short passing plays by using picks, screens...all sorts manufactured means to get the passing game going. I really don't see the niners route running to be in the same league. Not sure whether it's a matter of the sets being new and a bit rough around the edges, but I think it is a worthwhile endeavor to leave Kaepernick as a single back. The D has to respect him and with so many wideouts it should eventually pay off.

They are not using Gore much, which may be an attempt to keep him fresh or they are phasing to a different offensive philosophy...toward a spread-like scheme.

I am much more concerned with the penalties and lack of composure the team is showing. Also not happy with Boldin blaming the refs after the game. That indicates he thinks its OK to do so...not his normal demeanor. Is this an indication that the "They're all against us!" mantra has morphed into "Woe is us...nothing we can do!" mentality?

I like the fact he called out the refs. It's not going to matter anyways they can't make it any harder on us. A lot of the calls have been huge b******t calls.
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Yesterday was just another typical regular season 2nd half by Twinkie.

From April 2, 2013

"I don't want to sound too melodramatic. But here's what it is: I orchestrate sequences of events. I don't just grab plays. Everything I do has a purpose. I'm thinking big picture. Because NFL teams are too good — you start showing something and having success, they're gonna find a way to stop it. You don't want to make a living on it. If you can win a game and hold that back, why not?"

The man is a mad genius when it comes to football. I´m 26 years old and played + watched football for as long as I can remember but sometimes I rewatch the All22 and see stuff that I haven´t even heard of before. He probably forgot more about football than most people even know about the sport.

But

For the 4th straight year he shows the tendency to outthink himself and it´s frustrating as hell to watch !
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I like the fact he called out the refs. It's not going to matter anyways they can't make it any harder on us. A lot of the calls have been huge b******t calls.

Better Boldin than a younger player, so perhaps you are right and the refs will be more careful. Or...they'll start calling even more penalties to show players they can't get their way through public critique? If you really don't think it could be worse...you are very wrong!
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Corva yes HaRo did call more 3 WR sets. And yes we did get up on them. BUT...then we let them back in. Howeever, just because we ran more 3 wide sets doesn't mean that they were used in the proper sequence of playcalling. Yes, Greg knows the different plays. But NO , he has no idea how to integrate them. Also, I believe, that all but a few plays, their D was running a stacked line, usually 8, sometimes 9 or 10 guys on LOS. In effect they are saying, c'mon, kap, beat us with a pass. Well, kap did pretty darn well, but the sequence of playcalling (Ie, mixing in an occasional bomb with short to mid range stuff) was really pure vanilla. We were easy to defend and they did so.

Not scoring in the 2nd half means that THEY make adjustments, and we don't . Coaching error there. Not knowing how to string a series of Offensive plays together successfully...coaching failure. Having one rally killing series of personal fouls called , two games in a row...coaching failure, altho the players committed the fouls. Still coaching failure.

Defense: Fangio called a much better game than the F- he got for the BEars fiasco. He brought blitzes, he did great the first half. Then AZ changed O strategy, and fangio didn't . Coaching failure. F-.

One wonders looking at the above, not has Coach Harbaugh lost his touch, but has he lost his team. We did not look good out there in 2nd half, lots of 3 and outs, no imagination, and when 10 guys magically appear at LOS, kap has to call a pass. Well then , some may say, he should have passed virtually every play. True. If D is loading the box you pass every play until they get out of it, screens(which we do poorly), slants, outs, mid range, occ deep balls. Just keep throwing the rock til they back off the LOS. and they didn't.

So error in coaching philosophy. jH has to know that no points in 2nd half in 3 games is not a good sign. Obviously he has to change philosophy. Sure kap needs to take this team on his back and win it for us in the 4th qtr. Sure HaRo have to call a much, much improved game in 2nd half. But, my admonition back during the draft was, despite how well I like our new DBackfield, I thot it would take 3-4 games before the DBs really got to know one another, to play in unison as a team. Well, I may have underestimated that a bit. Now I will say that 6-8 games, or maybe half a season will need to go by for the DBs to learn to play together. Yes, some of that is coaching, maybe it is inferior talent, but I honestly believe, it just will take another 4-6 games to get our DBs all on the same page. And , remember, they are doing all this "getting acquainted" without BOW, and ALL-stupid-DONE. I sure hope aldon understands what his stupidity , childishness, and idiocy have cost this team...and will continue to cost us. Our DBs lost this game, and I put that on not coaching so much, but just needing for DBs having more time to know who does what, where and when.

Meantime, HaRo have to figure out how to have kap pass every play if necessary against box 8 or more, and how to change tactics for every 2nd half. Good luck guys, you are going to need it.

Finally , if the personal fouls continue, one would have to say that Coach Harbaugh...has lost his team.
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Dammit man, you stole my thunder!! I could not have stated it better. Our coaching has been figured out and its showing. People can talk all they want about Kaep's mistakes but I thought he played pretty well yesterday. No turnovers. I agree, JH has lost his team. Just look at the Frank Gore interview:

http://www.csnbayarea.com/video_content_type/49ers-quick-hits-gore-phased-out-gameplan

And to a lessor extent, the Boldin interview. This whole no-points-in-the-2nd-half thing exposes a disturbing pattern that opposing teams are feasting on. One game is an outlier. Two games is an issue. Three games is a problem pattern that speaks directly to coaching, scheming, and philosophy. And I honestly think the locker room knows this and are justifiably frustrated because of it.

Now, I'll say it: Boldin, Crabs, Johnson, Lloyd, Gore/Hyde - why the fuk are we running 11 personnel 41% of the time! Stubborn, blind philosophy, that's why!! All due respect to Bo Schembechler but his philosophy is outdated, out of step with today's rules of the game, and thus won't win us a SB. Plus, all schemes have weaknesses. And when your opponents are pocking at the weaknesses of your scheme you have to change things up. Conversely, when things are working you make the opposing team force you out of, you don't just stop what's working to satisfy a philosophy. With the personnel we have we should keep at least 3 WR on the field at all times until teams prove they can defend it. Boldin had it right, there's not a team in the NFL that has 5 CB's that can guard all these WR's.

While JH & Co. are responsible for resurrecting this team back to competitive football they are now responsible for holding this team back. IMHO
Originally posted by NCommand:
Again, WHY are we using a franchise QB with a hurt back to be our primary rusher? 13 carries for 4.2 yards a carry not to mention how many hits he took. Gore and Hyde had a total of 9 carries. 9! Are you telling me, with all the weapons we have, CK is STILL our best running back and our only true weapon? You can't have Gore and Hyde take those carries out of the Q-formation WHILE we're spread out with 3-5 receivers? Just dumb...on every single level.

Agreed. We have Gore. We have Hyde. Yet, every time Kap runs on a designed run play, I cringe.

Kap should only run when everything breaks down (like Steve Young).
Originally posted by DeUh:
Yesterday was just another typical regular season 2nd half by Twinkie.

From April 2, 2013

"I don't want to sound too melodramatic. But here's what it is: I orchestrate sequences of events. I don't just grab plays. Everything I do has a purpose. I'm thinking big picture. Because NFL teams are too good — you start showing something and having success, they're gonna find a way to stop it. You don't want to make a living on it. If you can win a game and hold that back, why not?"

The man is a mad genius when it comes to football. I´m 26 years old and played + watched football for as long as I can remember but sometimes I rewatch the All22 and see stuff that I haven´t even heard of before. He probably forgot more about football than most people even know about the sport.

But

For the 4th straight year he shows the tendency to outthink himself and it´s frustrating as hell to watch !

The problem is the stuff he is "setting up" is for future games, not the actual game being played. So instead of being able to capitalize in that game he gives the next team time to get a screen shot of the play and figure out different options off of it. It worked at first because he was new to the NFL, but now he has been figured out and exposed with a blueprint of how he operates and how to defend against the "genius" part of mad genius. If someone is already thinking about next week before the current week is over... the chances of success become low, it happens in all the time in sports and MMA.
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What astonishes me, is his tendecy to go away from things that work. Stevie Johnson was burning the Cardinals secondary the whole first half, and then he lands on the bench?!

Hurry up, no huddle offence, 5 WR to counter the crowd noise, and it worked, yet then, he got away from it. It´s OK to try something else, yet if that other thing does not work go back to that what worked.

The Cards were playing tight, to stop the run, yet he decided to run to a wall, no missdirection plays, the lack of adjustment to the blitzing which caused all sorts of problems for the Oline, astonishingly up the middle most of teh time.

I don´t know if that a problem with the lack of coordination between Kilgore Boone and Iupati. Or Roman´s scheme yet he is responsible for that, he has to make the neccesary adjustments to help the O line out.

These are no new issues, they are here for the past three years.

And thats why Roman has not yet becoem a Head Coach either in College or in the NFL.
Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Originally posted by DeUh:
Yesterday was just another typical regular season 2nd half by Twinkie.

From April 2, 2013

"I don't want to sound too melodramatic. But here's what it is: I orchestrate sequences of events. I don't just grab plays. Everything I do has a purpose. I'm thinking big picture. Because NFL teams are too good — you start showing something and having success, they're gonna find a way to stop it. You don't want to make a living on it. If you can win a game and hold that back, why not?"

The man is a mad genius when it comes to football. I´m 26 years old and played + watched football for as long as I can remember but sometimes I rewatch the All22 and see stuff that I haven´t even heard of before. He probably forgot more about football than most people even know about the sport.

But

For the 4th straight year he shows the tendency to outthink himself and it´s frustrating as hell to watch !

The problem is the stuff he is "setting up" is for future games, not the actual game being played. So instead of being able to capitalize in that game he gives the next team time to get a screen shot of the play and figure out different options off of it. It worked at first because he was new to the NFL, but now he has been figured out and exposed with a blueprint of how he operates and how to defend against the "genius" part of mad genius. If someone is already thinking about next week before the current week is over... the chances of success become low, it happens in all the time in sports and MMA.

This is the part I don't get either. He was so frustrated with the Dallas game b/c he didn't get to all his plays. WTF? Screw your script...sure, game plan to attack some serious weakness but really, play-calling s/b an IN-GAME adjustment until the final whistle blows. For instance, when the Bears were down to a 3rd string defense, you abuse that. When a key defender goes out with an injury for the Cards, you exploit that. What have teams done to us? What's our two biggest weaknesses on defense? 1) We have a rookie in the slot and 2) We have a banged up secondary that struggles defending deep balls. Niners = Exploited. Can we say the reverse?
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Originally posted by JeuSF49:
What astonishes me, is his tendecy to go away from things that work. Stevie Johnson was burning the Cardinals secondary the whole first half, and then he lands on the bench?!

Hurry up, no huddle offence, 5 WR to counter the crowd noise, and it worked, yet then, he got away from it. It´s OK to try something else, yet if that other thing does not work go back to that what worked.

The Cards were playing tight, to stop the run, yet he decided to run to a wall, no missdirection plays, the lack of adjustment to the blitzing which caused all sorts of problems for the Oline, astonishingly up the middle most of teh time.

I don´t know if that a problem with the lack of coordination between Kilgore Boone and Iupati. Or Roman´s scheme yet he is responsible for that, he has to make the neccesary adjustments to help the O line out.

These are no new issues, they are here for the past three years.

And thats why Roman has not yet becoem a Head Coach either in College or in the NFL.

The defensive coaches have Roman's book and Roman is married to his tendencies. Hell, the 49ers PUBLICLY hired a coach to CONSULT him out of his brain cramps. This is why the 49ers are losing, this is why they're frustrated, and this is why you're seeing players lose their head and make stupid plays.

I've been fed up with Roman for the past three years. Hate to see Harbough go, but if that's the only way to get rid of Jimmy Raye 2.0, so be it.
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Originally posted by JeuSF49:
What astonishes me, is his tendecy to go away from things that work. Stevie Johnson was burning the Cardinals secondary the whole first half, and then he lands on the bench?!

Hurry up, no huddle offence, 5 WR to counter the crowd noise, and it worked, yet then, he got away from it. It´s OK to try something else, yet if that other thing does not work go back to that what worked.

The Cards were playing tight, to stop the run, yet he decided to run to a wall, no missdirection plays, the lack of adjustment to the blitzing which caused all sorts of problems for the Oline, astonishingly up the middle most of teh time.

I don´t know if that a problem with the lack of coordination between Kilgore Boone and Iupati. Or Roman´s scheme yet he is responsible for that, he has to make the neccesary adjustments to help the O line out.

These are no new issues, they are here for the past three years.

And thats why Roman has not yet becoem a Head Coach either in College or in the NFL.

"In Bold" and stick with plays that don't. Very Lane Kiffin of him.
Great collection of thoughts to ponder Pasodoc! My attempts below:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Corva yes HaRo did call more 3 WR sets. And yes we did get up on them. BUT...then we let them back in. Howeever, just because we ran more 3 wide sets doesn't mean that they were used in the proper sequence of playcalling. Yes, Greg knows the different plays. But NO , he has no idea how to integrate them. Also, I believe, that all but a few plays, their D was running a stacked line, usually 8, sometimes 9 or 10 guys on LOS. In effect they are saying, c'mon, kap, beat us with a pass. Well, kap did pretty darn well, but the sequence of playcalling (Ie, mixing in an occasional bomb with short to mid range stuff) was really pure vanilla. We were easy to defend and they did so.
I see it as one of two things: 1) Kaepernick just can't punish a stacked line with his arm or 2) the play calls do not allow him to make those reads quickly enough.


Not scoring in the 2nd half means that THEY make adjustments, and we don't . Coaching error there. Not knowing how to string a series of Offensive plays together successfully...coaching failure. Having one rally killing series of personal fouls called , two games in a row...coaching failure, altho the players committed the fouls. Still coaching failure.
Lack of self discipline...hmm...wonder who the role model is for lack of composure? LOL!


Defense: Fangio called a much better game than the F- he got for the BEars fiasco. He brought blitzes, he did great the first half. Then AZ changed O strategy, and fangio didn't . Coaching failure. F-.
They couldn't get to the QB with a blitz, without a blitz...very sad without Aldon. They need to shake up the line and give Justin some help. With Bowman out it hurts a great deal...Willis in the best MLB in the league but blitzing has seldom been required and when he does blitz lesser LBs have to take up the slack in coverge. With so many players missing this is a problem that may just take time to cure (like niner games ).


One wonders looking at the above, not has Coach Harbaugh lost his touch, but has he lost his team. We did not look good out there in 2nd half, lots of 3 and outs, no imagination, and when 10 guys magically appear at LOS, kap has to call a pass. Well then , some may say, he should have passed virtually every play. True. If D is loading the box you pass every play until they get out of it, screens(which we do poorly), slants, outs, mid range, occ deep balls. Just keep throwing the rock til they back off the LOS. and they didn't.
Really don't think Harbaugh has lost his team but this team in in transition, particuarly in leadership. The DBs are totally new over the past couple of years...no continuity, Bowman out, McDonald waiting for the other shoe to drop, Aldon out...I think whether Harbaugh loses this team depend on who the leaders become. He is safe with Willis, Bowman, and Justin...but not sure about the DBs or Boldin...or Kaepernick. CK may need to blame someone for his failure to develop and that would be Cryst, Harbaugh or Roman. Or he understands that it's a process and when they start winning all is good. Losing is seldom helpful in gaining trust.


So error in coaching philosophy. jH has to know that no points in 2nd half in 3 games is not a good sign. Obviously he has to change philosophy. Sure kap needs to take this team on his back and win it for us in the 4th qtr. Sure HaRo have to call a much, much improved game in 2nd half. But, my admonition back during the draft was, despite how well I like our new DBackfield, I thot it would take 3-4 games before the DBs really got to know one another, to play in unison as a team. Well, I may have underestimated that a bit. Now I will say that 6-8 games, or maybe half a season will need to go by for the DBs to learn to play together. Yes, some of that is coaching, maybe it is inferior talent, but I honestly believe, it just will take another 4-6 games to get our DBs all on the same page. And , remember, they are doing all this "getting acquainted" without BOW, and ALL-stupid-DONE. I sure hope aldon understands what his stupidity , childishness, and idiocy have cost this team...and will continue to cost us. Our DBs lost this game, and I put that on not coaching so much, but just needing for DBs having more time to know who does what, where and when.
Brock's loss has had an impact on the D. With his injury and Culliver being dinged, the defensive backfield struggled a bit late in this game. But I think much of that is also due to lack of pass rush. That's why it was so painful for me to see Willis flagged for hitting the QB. It was the only real sign the team was going to be threatening (that's hyperbole--a few hits but not many).


Meantime, HaRo have to figure out how to have kap pass every play if necessary against box 8 or more, and how to change tactics for every 2nd half. Good luck guys, you are going to need it.

Finally , if the personal fouls continue, one would have to say that Coach Harbaugh...has lost his team.
OLine, CK's lack of vision, routes, play design, play call sequence...about the only thing we can eliminate this year as a reason for failing to punish stacked boxes is lack of quality WRs. So...take your pick of the above. I think it's mostly CK not trusting his line and the line not earning his trust. A bit of it can be blamed on playcalling and routes. When I watched Denver's underneath routes it made me so jealous! Not only do they complete those passes but they are set up for yac! The niner receivers can block so I'm not sure why the lack of yac unless it's play design or comfort with the plays (experience).

Gore is a team first guy and this must be killing him! All these years of mediocrity and now they have a great collection of players at every position...and he gets six carries in a loss! Must just kill the guy. I'm wondering why, with a lead, they didn't use him more. Odd.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Gore is a team first guy and this must be killing him! All these years of mediocrity and now they have a great collection of players at every position...and he gets six carries in a loss! Must just kill the guy. I'm wondering why, with a lead, they didn't use him more. Odd.

They tried to, and every time they went back to the run, they got crushed. Gore isn't the same back as he was 5 years ago, he's still a very good RB but with teams loading up the box and crowding the line to stop the 49ers running game, they should have continued to pass the ball out of the spread formation which was working beautifully, was eating up clock and was was getting them first downs.
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roman and jh should be linked together, they are one,,, you fire one which you should have a long time ago,, then you fire jh to..... that is the way it must be. its a 50 50 blame in my opinion
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Fire Greg Roman!

Closely tied to the previous section is the group calling for offensive coordinator Greg Roman's job. The reasoning here comes in many forms: terrible playcalling, poor gameplans, a lack of halftime adjustments, you name it. San Francisco could put up a 50-point, 500-yard performance on offense and people will find fault in Roman somewhere.

Listing and attempting to refute the many claims of Roman's supposed incompetence is better saved for a separate post, but what many are failing to see during the first three weeks of the season is that the 49ers are in a clear transition period on offense. Harbaugh and Roman's offense is evolving from one that sought to protect its quarterback to one that is looking to showcase it.

To oversimplify things a bit, going back to that first season under the current regime in 2011, there have been three phases of the 49ers offense:

Phase I: The Alex Smith phase. Hyper-conservative and looking to avoid turnovers at all costs, the 49ers were content to take a sack or throw the ball away in an effort to avoid throwing the ball downfield into coverage. Overly reliant on the run game in nearly all situations.

Phase II: The early Colin Kaepernick phase. Similar to Phase I in a lot of ways but with more read option and more of a willingness to push the ball down the field. Less reliant on the run game early in the game and when the score is close, but quick to throw extra offensive lineman on the field and run power into a nine-man box once they had built up a double-digit lead.

Phase III: Whatever the hell is happening right now.Finally equipped with receiving targets consisting of more than Vernon Davis and a single competent wide receiver, the 49ers have made 11 personnel (1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR) their primary grouping over the first three weeks of 2014. I don't have updated numbers as of this writing, but there's a reasonable chance San Francisco put four wide receivers on the field at the same time for more snaps in the Arizona game than the previous three seasons combined.

The 49ers put all of those receivers to good use, spreading the field with an empty backfield set and speeding up the tempo. It was a completely new wrinkle in San Francisco's offense and it offered a couple of notable benefits against a very goodCardinals defense. First, it prevented the Cardinals from using the exotic pre-snap looks they love to run, forcing them into more vanilla coverages. In addition, it exposed the weakest part of Arizona's defense: the linebackers and safeties in the middle of the field. The 49ers were able to get Stevie Johnson, Michael Crabtree, and Anquan Boldin open over the middle, often times getting them matched up on one of those linebackers or safeties. This led to several easy throws underneath for Kaepernick and gave him quick outlets if the Cardinals decided to blitz. It was a great change-of-pace look for the 49ers offense and their success from that look should give them the confidence to continue to go to it in the future.

From more of a big picture view, Roman is putting the offense on Colin Kaepernick's back. In the first half of the Cardinals game, the 49ers ran 35 offensive plays and Kaepernick threw or ran on 28 of them. Against the Bears it was a similar story as Kaepernick was responsible for the outcome of 23-of-31 first half plays. You might argue that San Francisco should be giving Frank Gore and Carlos Hyde more of those touches, but it's clear this is the direction the 49ers are headed on offense.

This transition to an offense that is reliant on its quarterback to win games from the offense that only hoped he wouldn't screw it up is not going to take place overnight. Growing pains are to be expected, but this is a change that I believe is the right thing for San Francisco's long-term success.

The 49ers' formula for success over the past three seasons is a difficult one to sustain. If you look at the teams who have experienced the most success since the turn of the century, the common thread is an offense that runs through the quarterback. The 49ers believe they have a quarterback capable being that type of player and they've finally handed him the keys to the offense. It's on Kaepernick to not crash it into a tree.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/9/22/6826033/49ers-cardinals-final-score-3-important-things-to-take-away-from-this
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Originally posted by cciowa:
roman and jh should be linked together, they are one,,, you fire one which you should have a long time ago,, then you fire jh to..... that is the way it must be. its a 50 50 blame in my opinion

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