Michael Crabtree Thread

Originally posted by socal9er42:
While I think Crabtree is a very good receiver, he is not (currently) among the Elite Receivers in the NFL, and I haven't heard anything to indicate he really wants to stay with the 49er's. I think he still wants to go to Texas to be a Cowboy. Not worth throwing top $$$ at IMHO.

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He and his agent are going to want to "make up" for the money he lost by dropping from a top 3 pick to #10. That is why he held out in the first place. I don't see anything that would indicate he is a different person now. Hope I'm wrong but he is not worth more than $8MILLION/yr, if that.

Baalke's no fool...he remembers well how difficult it was to sign Crabtree to his rookie contract. Big reason he signed Lloyd & traded for Stevie Johnson. He also knows VMac should emerge as a legitimate receiving threat at TE, to accompany Vernon. Add in Ellington as a fast slot WR, and it lessens the impact when Eugene Parker sets the price higher than Baalke will pay.

Unless Crabtree has a monstrous year I don't see any team paying him north of 8-9 million. I could see a situation where he's butt hurt and leaves, only to find the grass isn't greener. I think Crabtree will chase stats for endorsement purposes so he may go to a pass happy team in need.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

We don't do PEDs here man

He wasn't suspended for PEDS?

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/4/30/4287118/justin-blackmon-suspension-jaguars

Its reasonable to assume Crabtree just wont be back, we have Johnson and Boldin for at least one more year. Patton will srprise the doubters and Ellington still has one of the biggest upsides as a WR. But lets be honest with ourselves, do we need crabtree? ok yes he is the safety blanket and this offense is a 180 of itself when he is not out there... but is that worth the 10+ million he will want, IMO no, heres why. What has been the biggest detractor of kap last year? the fact his favorite WR wasnt in the offense. So he stared down WRs and could read the whole field. Take away his safety blanket and he will have to progress...

No way in hell I'm giving crabtree..8-10 mil a year...GTFO

Originally posted by dmax:
No way in hell I'm giving crabtree..8-10 mil a year...GTFO

Look at some of the other WR APY contracts:

Colston: $7,260,000
Mike Williams: $7,924,000
Antonio Brown: $8,393,000
Bowe: $11,200,000

I mean Hartline is making $6,155,000

I think Crabs is a better WR then all of the above and something around $8 million a yr would be fine with me. What you need to focus on is the guaranteed money.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
The last thing any team wants is to sign somebody to a long-term contract; and have that player perform at a level lower than what they are valued, or that player doesn't play (due to injury, or in Crabs rookie year case being an idiot)

Lets look at Crabtree and his history as a 49er
1st season- held out for more money, played in 11 games (19rec, 284yds, 1td)
2nd season- 15 games (55rec, 741yds, 6tds) also was injured this pre-season
3rd season- 14 games (72rec, 874 yds, 4tds)
4th- season FINALLY AFTER 4 YEARS (85rec, 1105yds, 9tds)
5th season- achillies out for 12 weeks (19rec, 284yds, 1td)

So in 5 years, Crabtree was injured 3 times (rookie season as well)
He racked up 250rec, 3288 yds, 21tds

On average Crabtree gets 50rec, 657yds, and roughly 4 Tds PER SEASON

I'm assuming he is going to demand somewhere in the ballpark of 8-12 mil a year (I'm literally laughing as I type this)

That puts him in the same category as players like Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Desean Jackson, Roddy White, Andre Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, and Greg Jennings (to name a few).

These are stats over the past 5 season per player, and their averages
Keep in mind Crabtree goes 50/657/4.2 per season played

Marshall- 486rec, 6151yds, 42tds
Average= 97/1230/8.4 per season played
Made around 11mil this year

V. Jackson- 292rec, 5129yds, 36tds
Average= 58/1025/7.2 per season played
Made around 11 mil as well
Also missed 2010 season due to injury (played 5 games)

D. Jackson- 294rec, 5205yds, 30tds
Average= 58/1041/6 per season played
Signed a contract worth around 8mil

White- 455rec, 5900yds, 39tds
Average= 91/1180/7.8 per season played
Made 8.5 mil last year

Johnson- 441rec, 6282yds, 28tds
Average= 88/1256/5.6 per season played
Made 9 mil last year

Bowe- 316rec, 4383yds, 32td
Average= 63/876/6.4 td per season (still beats out Crabs with 2 horrible seasons)
Made 11 mil last year

Jennings-315rec, 4497 yds, 33td
Average= 63/899/6.6 per season played
Made 9 million last year

For those of you that didn't read the above, here is a graph,
I created my own "production score" over the past 5 years and rated the players accordingly
(I used a 1 point system, multiply rec by .1, yards by .005, and TD's by .895)
Example,
I found Crabs "score" by creating the forumla 250(.1)+3288(.005)+21(.895)= 60.235
(I got those digits by finding out Calvin's #'s are [since I assumed he is the leader over the past 5 seasons] and cross referenced them with the statistics on here)



So if you want to be the guy on here rooting for Crabs to get paid like the guys I have mentioned, take a hard look at this post.

Also, I ran some numbers to see where Crabs stats really place him,
Crabs and Danny Amendola are almost identical in terms of NFL production



I might make this post into a thread

Originally posted by Quest4six:



Sorry for the triple post,
These are the guys getting paid around what I am assuming Crabtree wants to be payed at,

Again.

Hopefully Baalke won't pay Crabs for what he "thinks" he can do, rather what he HAS DONE.

Clearly he isn't there

I've already posted this.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Look at some of the other WR APY contracts: Colston: $7,260,000 Mike Williams: $7,924,000 Antonio Brown: $8,393,000 Bowe: $11,200,000 I mean Hartline is making $6,155,000 I think Crabs is a better WR then all of the above and something around $8 million a yr would be fine with me. What you need to focus on is the guaranteed money.

Crabs statistically isn't as great as some people think he is.
Also Hartline is the exception, the Dolphins FO is horrible.

If he was a FA this year and we had to negotiate what he has done so far, he is worth nothing more than 5-6 mil

I'm not going to pay 1 guy 10mil a year because he has 1 solid year out of 5

It's going to be a nightmare to get this guy signed/extended for a reasonable amount of money. He is a very good WR, but lets be honest. When you put his stats up against other top WR's or WR's that we view as comparable, their stats are all vastly superior over a longer period of time. So while he is a very good WR and could very well put up his 2012 stats consistantly, his #'s right now do not jive with what he is going to want financially.

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by Quest4six:
The last thing any team wants is to sign somebody to a long-term contract; and have that player perform at a level lower than what they are valued, or that player doesn't play (due to injury, or in Crabs rookie year case being an idiot)

Lets look at Crabtree and his history as a 49er
1st season- held out for more money, played in 11 games (19rec, 284yds, 1td)
2nd season- 15 games (55rec, 741yds, 6tds) also was injured this pre-season
3rd season- 14 games (72rec, 874 yds, 4tds)
4th- season FINALLY AFTER 4 YEARS (85rec, 1105yds, 9tds)
5th season- achillies out for 12 weeks (19rec, 284yds, 1td)

So in 5 years, Crabtree was injured 3 times (rookie season as well)
He racked up 250rec, 3288 yds, 21tds

On average Crabtree gets 50rec, 657yds, and roughly 4 Tds PER SEASON

I'm assuming he is going to demand somewhere in the ballpark of 8-12 mil a year (I'm literally laughing as I type this)

That puts him in the same category as players like Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Desean Jackson, Roddy White, Andre Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, and Greg Jennings (to name a few).

These are stats over the past 5 season per player, and their averages
Keep in mind Crabtree goes 50/657/4.2 per season played

Marshall- 486rec, 6151yds, 42tds
Average= 97/1230/8.4 per season played
Made around 11mil this year

V. Jackson- 292rec, 5129yds, 36tds
Average= 58/1025/7.2 per season played
Made around 11 mil as well
Also missed 2010 season due to injury (played 5 games)

D. Jackson- 294rec, 5205yds, 30tds
Average= 58/1041/6 per season played
Signed a contract worth around 8mil

White- 455rec, 5900yds, 39tds
Average= 91/1180/7.8 per season played
Made 8.5 mil last year

Johnson- 441rec, 6282yds, 28tds
Average= 88/1256/5.6 per season played
Made 9 mil last year

Bowe- 316rec, 4383yds, 32td
Average= 63/876/6.4 td per season (still beats out Crabs with 2 horrible seasons)
Made 11 mil last year

Jennings-315rec, 4497 yds, 33td
Average= 63/899/6.6 per season played
Made 9 million last year

For those of you that didn't read the above, here is a graph,
I created my own "production score" over the past 5 years and rated the players accordingly
(I used a 1 point system, multiply rec by .1, yards by .005, and TD's by .895)
Example,
I found Crabs "score" by creating the forumla 250(.1)+3288(.005)+21(.895)= 60.235
(I got those digits by finding out Calvin's #'s are [since I assumed he is the leader over the past 5 seasons] and cross referenced them with the statistics on here)



So if you want to be the guy on here rooting for Crabs to get paid like the guys I have mentioned, take a hard look at this post.

Also, I ran some numbers to see where Crabs stats really place him,
Crabs and Danny Amendola are almost identical in terms of NFL production



I might make this post into a thread

Originally posted by Quest4six:



Sorry for the triple post,
These are the guys getting paid around what I am assuming Crabtree wants to be payed at,

Again.

Hopefully Baalke won't pay Crabs for what he "thinks" he can do, rather what he HAS DONE.

Clearly he isn't there

I've already posted this.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Look at some of the other WR APY contracts: Colston: $7,260,000 Mike Williams: $7,924,000 Antonio Brown: $8,393,000 Bowe: $11,200,000 I mean Hartline is making $6,155,000 I think Crabs is a better WR then all of the above and something around $8 million a yr would be fine with me. What you need to focus on is the guaranteed money.

Crabs statistically isn't as great as some people think he is.
Also Hartline is the exception, the Dolphins FO is horrible.

If he was a FA this year and we had to negotiate what he has done so far, he is worth nothing more than 5-6 mil

I'm not going to pay 1 guy 10mil a year because he has 1 solid year out of 5

I agree he isn't close to worth $10 million a yr, he will get more than $5 million a year, there is no chance we sign him for that. I do think a $7-$8 million is where it will be and its all about that guaranteed money

Crabs statistically isn't as great as some people think he is.
Also Hartline is the exception, the Dolphins FO is horrible.

If he was a FA this year and we had to negotiate what he has done so far, he is worth nothing more than 5-6 mil

I'm not going to pay 1 guy 10mil a year because he has 1 solid year out of 5

Plus I do think he is better than Mike Williams who is making close to $8 million a yr

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Originally posted by Quest4six:

The last thing any team wants is to sign somebody to a long-term contract; and have that player perform at a level lower than what they are valued, or that player doesn't play (due to injury, or in Crabs rookie year case being an idiot)

Lets look at Crabtree and his history as a 49er
1st season- held out for more money, played in 11 games (19rec, 284yds, 1td)
2nd season- 15 games (55rec, 741yds, 6tds) also was injured this pre-season
3rd season- 14 games (72rec, 874 yds, 4tds)
4th- season FINALLY AFTER 4 YEARS (85rec, 1105yds, 9tds)
5th season- achillies out for 12 weeks (19rec, 284yds, 1td)

So in 5 years, Crabtree was injured 3 times (rookie season as well)
He racked up 250rec, 3288 yds, 21tds

On average Crabtree gets 50rec, 657yds, and roughly 4 Tds PER SEASON

I'm assuming he is going to demand somewhere in the ballpark of 8-12 mil a year (I'm literally laughing as I type this)

That puts him in the same category as players like Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Desean Jackson, Roddy White, Andre Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, and Greg Jennings (to name a few).

These are stats over the past 5 season per player, and their averages
Keep in mind Crabtree goes 50/657/4.2 per season played

Marshall- 486rec, 6151yds, 42tds
Average= 97/1230/8.4 per season played
Made around 11mil this year

V. Jackson- 292rec, 5129yds, 36tds
Average= 58/1025/7.2 per season played
Made around 11 mil as well
Also missed 2010 season due to injury (played 5 games)

D. Jackson- 294rec, 5205yds, 30tds
Average= 58/1041/6 per season played
Signed a contract worth around 8mil

White- 455rec, 5900yds, 39tds
Average= 91/1180/7.8 per season played
Made 8.5 mil last year

Johnson- 441rec, 6282yds, 28tds
Average= 88/1256/5.6 per season played
Made 9 mil last year

Bowe- 316rec, 4383yds, 32td
Average= 63/876/6.4 td per season (still beats out Crabs with 2 horrible seasons)
Made 11 mil last year

Jennings-315rec, 4497 yds, 33td
Average= 63/899/6.6 per season played
Made 9 million last year

For those of you that didn't read the above, here is a graph,
I created my own "production score" over the past 5 years and rated the players accordingly
(I used a 1 point system, multiply rec by .1, yards by .005, and TD's by .895)
Example,
I found Crabs "score" by creating the forumla 250(.1)+3288(.005)+21(.895)= 60.235
(I got those digits by finding out Calvin's #'s are [since I assumed he is the leader over the past 5 seasons] and cross referenced them with the statistics on here)



So if you want to be the guy on here rooting for Crabs to get paid like the guys I have mentioned, take a hard look at this post.

Also, I ran some numbers to see where Crabs stats really place him,
Crabs and Danny Amendola are almost identical in terms of NFL production



I might make this post into a thread

Originally posted by Quest4six:

Sorry for the triple post,
These are the guys getting paid around what I am assuming Crabtree wants to be payed at,

Again.

Hopefully Baalke won't pay Crabs for what he "thinks" he can do, rather what he HAS DONE.

Clearly he isn't there

I've already posted this.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Look at some of the other WR APY contracts: Colston: $7,260,000 Mike Williams: $7,924,000 Antonio Brown: $8,393,000 Bowe: $11,200,000 I mean Hartline is making $6,155,000 I think Crabs is a better WR then all of the above and something around $8 million a yr would be fine with me. What you need to focus on is the guaranteed money.

Crabs statistically isn't as great as some people think he is.
Also Hartline is the exception, the Dolphins FO is horrible.

If he was a FA this year and we had to negotiate what he has done so far, he is worth nothing more than 5-6 mil

I'm not going to pay 1 guy 10mil a year because he has 1 solid year out of 5

to hell with stats! Crabtree passes the sight test. plus he's responsible for so many clutch 3rd down conversions that don't show up in "statistics"

Our FO will be plenty happy paying Johnson 6 mil and Boldin 5 mil, especially with two young guys chomping at the bit if Crabtree asks for anything more than 7.5 mil.

Originally posted by dmax:
No way in hell I'm giving crabtree..8-10 mil a year...GTFO

he will get 8, hell goldson got 8 per

I don't care about other contracts that some have signed, Hartline's deal is showing how bad Miami's FO is bad. Wallace got overpaid.

Jackson also got overpaid, but is better than Crabs. Just cause teams like Miami, KC, NYJ, etc.. have shelled out tons of dough to overrated WRs, doesn't mean Crabs is worth that much. He is a $7-$8 mill a year WR. Until he stays healthy, and plays 16 games, and puts up numbers like a true #1 WR, he isn't a #1 WR. IMO, Boldin is our #1, he had 1,000+ yards, and what 8 TDs in 2013?

Stevie had 3 1,000 yard seasons before 2013. Both are more consistent than Crabs, and I would even say are better. Crabs gets too much love, he needs to stay healthy, and play consistent.