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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Dan Reeves 2.0

Reeves or Schottenheimer. As long as Harbaugh sticks to with this offense, he'll be just another honorary member of the "close but no cigar" NFL coaches club.



Schottenheimer is 6th all time in wins(200) by an NFL coach, won over 60% of his games but he has been defined by his 5-13 career playoff record. Four times in his career his teams won 13 or more games and lost in their very first playoff game.

And how many times has Harbaugh lost his first playoff game?
Originally posted by verb1der:
Our oline struggled even with Kilgore and A Davis in there. The struggles in pass pro has already been broken down in here, even Staley and Iupati is up and down (in all 5 of our losses they all have s**t the bed). My question is, do you ever wonder why our oline sucks?! ....I'll tell you, because our SCHEME sucks. And our scheme sucks because the league has adjusted to our once "innovative" run game and our coaches have no answer.

Bruce Miller said it yesterday, that they're not confusing defenses anymore in the run game (which is basically the foundation of our scheme). That's all you need to know about our coaches. At some point (esp after 4 years) they need to be held responsible. Sure there's key injuries, but which team doesn't have those?! Good coaches overcome that. Your post makes it seem like this staff is faultless and infallible when this is supposed to be the year it comes together on offense, but instead they look more confused than ever. Cmon man!!!!!

Our Oline suck - agree w/your reasoning.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Reeves or Schottenheimer. As long as Harbaugh sticks to with this offense, he'll be just another honorary member of the "close but no cigar" NFL coaches club.



Schottenheimer is 6th all time in wins(200) by an NFL coach, won over 60% of his games but he has been defined by his 5-13 career playoff record. Four times in his career his teams won 13 or more games and lost in their very first playoff game.

And I don't think we're getting close anymore.

Other teams have figured us out.

Look how we squeaked by Skins and Giants.

Philly & Dallas were in it until the end of the game.

We'll probably crush the Raiders and some here will say, "We're back!" - FOOL'S GOLD
Originally posted by verb1der:
Our oline struggled even with Kilgore and A Davis in there. The struggles in pass pro has already been broken down in here, even Staley and Iupati is up and down (in all 5 of our losses they all have s**t the bed). My question is, do you ever wonder why our oline sucks?! ....I'll tell you, because our SCHEME sucks. And our scheme sucks because the league has adjusted to our once "innovative" run game and our coaches have no answer.

Bruce Miller said it yesterday, that they're not confusing defenses anymore in the run game (which is basically the foundation of our scheme). That's all you need to know about our coaches. At some point (esp after 4 years) they need to be held responsible. Sure there's key injuries, but which team doesn't have those?! Good coaches overcome that. Your post makes it seem like this staff is faultless and infallible when this is supposed to be the year it comes together on offense, but instead they look more confused than ever. Cmon man!!!!!


There are ways to compensate for a poorly performing line. As Alex Smith says, you start using "pressure beaters." Utilize more 3 step drops with quick hitting pass routes. Slants, screens etc. Yet our OC continues to call slow developing pass and run plays. It makes ZERO sense. But I'm convinced it's all Roman knows. It's these lack of adjustments that are killing this team. Some would argue that Kap struggles making the short passes and yes there is some truth here. But for god's sake, practice this stuff! We have a small army of offensive coaches apparently. Can't one of them start working with Colin and teach him that not all throws need the Madison Bumgarner windup? How about one of these coaches meeting Colin every day of the week so he can throw 200 quick pitches from the ear? Bill Walsh must be spinning in his grave right about now.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Dan Reeves 2.0

can't disagree, unfortunately the comparison makes alot of sense

I finally understand how Denver stuck with Reeves for so long, he kept them close, made them relevant, looked like a winner, but he never got over the top.
you finally cracked the code as to why a team would keep a coach who took them to 3 super bowls

well done dude
Take the source at face value but the topic is fascinating to me. The value for Harbaugh will lie between two third-rounders and two first-round picks, two second-round picks & $8 million (Gruden). And the Niners hold all the cards here and this is why:

1. The Niners already have a top 3 defense and will have the entire unit back next year healthy and with a TON of depth plus FA and the draft. The I.R. pipe-line will be opened up as well for further competition. It's an embarassment of riches on the defensive side. And we can probably expect a dynamic ST returner and deep-threat WR in one player next year. Fangio and Donatell each signed extensions (IIRC).
2. This offense ONLY needs an average offense @ (22.8) points a game (basically, KC's offense right now) and this team can win a Championship. We're 27th in points.
3. Harbaugh would be a hot commodity right now b/c he's seen as a coach that helps turn franchises around (like the Raiders) but not a finisher (obviously). He'd bring a ton of credibility to a team like the Browns and Raiders and Jets.
4. We're in no rush to trade Harbaugh ONCE Baalke goes out and brings in a new offensive system and an OC on the condition that Harbaugh keeps his hands 100% OFF the offense like he does for the defense. If he does this one move alone, Harbaugh is insignificant and simply a "player/coaching manager." He adds nothing to ST, defense or offense. If that OC is also a good candidate for a HC position, well, that's even more leverage.
5. If Harbaugh isn't cool with this, he'll want out and we'll probably get a great deal b/c of it and now we're on to finding a better HC/OC with more ammunition in the draft and a position (HC/OC or both) that would be THE most attractive on the market (and no rush since we probably won't be going to the playoffs).

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/02/so-whats-jim-harbaugh-worth-in-trade/

So what's Jim Harbaugh worth in trade? Posted by Mike Florio on December 2, 2014, 7:10 AM EST
Getty Images With the tea leaves pointing squarely toward the 49ers trading coach Jim Harbaugh with one year left on his contract, what can the 49ers get for him on the open market?

Fans will be hoping for a Jon Gruden-style haul, especially if Harbaugh is traded to the team that traded Gruden to the Bucs nearly 13 years ago. In early 2002, Tampa Bay gave up two first-round picks, two second-round picks, and $8 million for Gruden, who like Harbaugh was entering the final year of his contract.

Barring a full-blown bidding war, with multiple teams driving up the price, it's unlikely to happen for the 49ers. Earlier this year, and as PFT previously has reported, the Browns would have gotten Harbaugh for two third-round picks, if Harbaugh ultimately had decided to take the job.

If Harbaugh had wanted the job, he would be coaching the Browns right now. Ultimately, he chose to stay with the 49ers. It's highly unlikely he'll make that choice again.

It's also highly unlikely that Harbaugh would sign off on a trade that would see his new team give up so much to get him. While it would be a nice boost to the ego to have a franchise sacrifice two ones and two twos to get a coach, it also ties one hand behind the coach's back to lose important assets for building a team. (Then again, maybe he has a recessive gene that keeps him from worrying about not having first- or second-round draft picks.)

Regardless, the Browns set the floor in February, as part of a deal that was far closer to happening that anyone will admit on the record. Unless the 49ers can get the Raiders and the Jets (and maybe another team) to start one-upping each other, the package should be far closer to two threes than the ransom that the Bucs paid for Gruden.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Take the source at face value but the topic is fascinating to me. The value for Harbaugh will lie between two third-rounders and two first-round picks, two second-round picks & $8 million (Gruden). And the Niners hold all the cards here and this is why:

1. The Niners already have a top 3 defense and will have the entire unit back next year healthy and with a TON of depth plus FA and the draft. The I.R. pipe-line will be opened up as well for further competition. It's an embarassment of riches on the defensive side. And we can probably expect a dynamic ST returner and deep-threat WR in one player next year. Fangio and Donatell each signed extensions (IIRC).
2. This offense ONLY needs an average offense @ (22.8) points a game (basically, KC's offense right now) and this team can win a Championship. We're 27th in points.
3. Harbaugh would be a hot commodity right now b/c he's seen as a coach that helps turn franchises around (like the Raiders) but not a finisher (obviously). He'd bring a ton of credibility to a team like the Browns and Raiders and Jets.
4. We're in no rush to trade Harbaugh ONCE Baalke goes out and brings in a new offensive system and an OC on the condition that Harbaugh keeps his hands 100% OFF the offense like he does for the defense. If he does this one move alone, Harbaugh is insignificant and simply a "player/coaching manager." He adds nothing to ST, defense or offense. If that OC is also a good candidate for a HC position, well, that's even more leverage.
5. If Harbaugh isn't cool with this, he'll want out and we'll probably get a great deal b/c of it and now we're on to finding a better HC/OC with more ammunition in the draft and a position (HC/OC or both) that would be THE most attractive on the market (and no rush since we probably won't be going to the playoffs).

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/02/so-whats-jim-harbaugh-worth-in-trade/

So what's Jim Harbaugh worth in trade? Posted by Mike Florio on December 2, 2014, 7:10 AM EST
Getty Images With the tea leaves pointing squarely toward the 49ers trading coach Jim Harbaugh with one year left on his contract, what can the 49ers get for him on the open market?

Fans will be hoping for a Jon Gruden-style haul, especially if Harbaugh is traded to the team that traded Gruden to the Bucs nearly 13 years ago. In early 2002, Tampa Bay gave up two first-round picks, two second-round picks, and $8 million for Gruden, who like Harbaugh was entering the final year of his contract.

Barring a full-blown bidding war, with multiple teams driving up the price, it's unlikely to happen for the 49ers. Earlier this year, and as PFT previously has reported, the Browns would have gotten Harbaugh for two third-round picks, if Harbaugh ultimately had decided to take the job.

If Harbaugh had wanted the job, he would be coaching the Browns right now. Ultimately, he chose to stay with the 49ers. It's highly unlikely he'll make that choice again.

It's also highly unlikely that Harbaugh would sign off on a trade that would see his new team give up so much to get him. While it would be a nice boost to the ego to have a franchise sacrifice two ones and two twos to get a coach, it also ties one hand behind the coach's back to lose important assets for building a team. (Then again, maybe he has a recessive gene that keeps him from worrying about not having first- or second-round draft picks.)

Regardless, the Browns set the floor in February, as part of a deal that was far closer to happening that anyone will admit on the record. Unless the 49ers can get the Raiders and the Jets (and maybe another team) to start one-upping each other, the package should be far closer to two threes than the ransom that the Bucs paid for Gruden.

yeah trade Jim to the Raiders and the 49ers lose to them in the Super Bowl

Raiders
lolz
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Our oline struggled even with Kilgore and A Davis in there. The struggles in pass pro has already been broken down in here, even Staley and Iupati is up and down (in all 5 of our losses they all have s**t the bed). My question is, do you ever wonder why our oline sucks?! ....I'll tell you, because our SCHEME sucks. And our scheme sucks because the league has adjusted to our once "innovative" run game and our coaches have no answer.

Bruce Miller said it yesterday, that they're not confusing defenses anymore in the run game (which is basically the foundation of our scheme). That's all you need to know about our coaches. At some point (esp after 4 years) they need to be held responsible. Sure there's key injuries, but which team doesn't have those?! Good coaches overcome that. Your post makes it seem like this staff is faultless and infallible when this is supposed to be the year it comes together on offense, but instead they look more confused than ever. Cmon man!!!!!

Kilgore was our highest rated lineman but Davis has struggled so much that he is rated below J Martin in pass protection. So getting Davis back has not been helpful in that area (not surprising returning from injury and I doubt he's 100%). I think Miller said a mouthful!

Miller did say a mouthful. And it couldn't have come from a better player because Miller is a key cog in the run scheme and he see everything in front of him.

Everyone one knows we have pro-bowl caliber linemen. Iupati, Staley, Boone, Davis have cohesion by playing together for years, so imo, there's only 1 reason why these guys would just suddenly fall off and become inconsistent and that's because of the scheme. You can have all the talent in the world but if you're out schemed it will not matter.

But hey, according to Harbaugh nobody's got it better than us right?! lol
Originally posted by SoCold:
yeah trade Jim to the Raiders and the 49ers lose to them in the Super Bowl

Raiders
lolz



For now, I'll just be happy if we beat them on Sunday!
I say BS to the whole "not getting much" for Harbaugh...

If I'm Baalke, I'm telling everyone that will listen that I've had a change of heart and I want to get Jim extended long term...

Drive the price through the roof, we either get a huge haul of prime draft picks or we sit down at the table iron it out, sign some players, get some back and make a run next year and see what happens...
"unwavering support" of our offensive coaching staff... Is that a resignation letter?
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Our oline struggled even with Kilgore and A Davis in there. The struggles in pass pro has already been broken down in here, even Staley and Iupati is up and down (in all 5 of our losses they all have s**t the bed). My question is, do you ever wonder why our oline sucks?! ....I'll tell you, because our SCHEME sucks. And our scheme sucks because the league has adjusted to our once "innovative" run game and our coaches have no answer.

Bruce Miller said it yesterday, that they're not confusing defenses anymore in the run game (which is basically the foundation of our scheme). That's all you need to know about our coaches. At some point (esp after 4 years) they need to be held responsible. Sure there's key injuries, but which team doesn't have those?! Good coaches overcome that. Your post makes it seem like this staff is faultless and infallible when this is supposed to be the year it comes together on offense, but instead they look more confused than ever. Cmon man!!!!!

Kilgore was our highest rated lineman but Davis has struggled so much that he is rated below J Martin in pass protection. So getting Davis back has not been helpful in that area (not surprising returning from injury and I doubt he's 100%). I think Miller said a mouthful!

Miller did say a mouthful. And it couldn't have come from a better player because Miller is a key cog in the run scheme and he see everything in front of him.

Everyone one knows we have pro-bowl caliber linemen. Iupati, Staley, Boone, Davis have cohesion by playing together for years, so imo, there's only 1 reason why these guys would just suddenly fall off and become inconsistent and that's because of the scheme. You can have all the talent in the world but if you're out schemed it will not matter.

But hey, according to Harbaugh nobody's got it better than us right?! lol

Well, for a start Boone held out during the preseasons and hasn't looked sharp since. Davis has been injured in case you forgot. Iupati hasn't looked great and the position you omitted, center, has been a major problem. Throwing a rookie in early in the season is about as bad as it gets. He will be fine in due course but right now he isn't. So, I don't know where this cohesion you mention is supposed to be hiding and, for the record, how many of them in your opinion are going to be voted to the Pro Bowl this year?
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/harbaugh-faqs-unlikely-sides-remain-together-2015

I think perhaps Baalke and Paraag were ready to move on Ahmad Brooks for performance and salary reasons but Jim said no that we needed him for a championship. Well I would have been open to see what we could get for Brooks being that he has a bloated contract for his performance and the conditioning he came in this year. This "incident" might be what Maiocco is referring to. Jim wants to win but his scheme has failed to bring us the Lombardi thus far. Not to say Jim hasn't done amazing things for us already though. Maybe the scribes were right after all.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Our oline struggled even with Kilgore and A Davis in there. The struggles in pass pro has already been broken down in here, even Staley and Iupati is up and down (in all 5 of our losses they all have s**t the bed). My question is, do you ever wonder why our oline sucks?! ....I'll tell you, because our SCHEME sucks. And our scheme sucks because the league has adjusted to our once "innovative" run game and our coaches have no answer.

Bruce Miller said it yesterday, that they're not confusing defenses anymore in the run game (which is basically the foundation of our scheme). That's all you need to know about our coaches. At some point (esp after 4 years) they need to be held responsible. Sure there's key injuries, but which team doesn't have those?! Good coaches overcome that. Your post makes it seem like this staff is faultless and infallible when this is supposed to be the year it comes together on offense, but instead they look more confused than ever. Cmon man!!!!!

Kilgore was our highest rated lineman but Davis has struggled so much that he is rated below J Martin in pass protection. So getting Davis back has not been helpful in that area (not surprising returning from injury and I doubt he's 100%). I think Miller said a mouthful!

Miller did say a mouthful. And it couldn't have come from a better player because Miller is a key cog in the run scheme and he see everything in front of him.

Everyone one knows we have pro-bowl caliber linemen. Iupati, Staley, Boone, Davis have cohesion by playing together for years, so imo, there's only 1 reason why these guys would just suddenly fall off and become inconsistent and that's because of the scheme. You can have all the talent in the world but if you're out schemed it will not matter.

But hey, according to Harbaugh nobody's got it better than us right?! lol

Well, for a start Boone held out during the preseasons and hasn't looked sharp since. Davis has been injured in case you forgot. Iupati hasn't looked great and the position you omitted, center, has been a major problem. Throwing a rookie in early in the season is about as bad as it gets. He will be fine in due course but right now he isn't. So, I don't know where this cohesion you mention is supposed to be hiding and, for the record, how many of them in your opinion are going to be voted to the Pro Bowl this year?

Marcus Martin has actually been the bright spot of this unit. You can point out the excuses for the other guys but ultimately the coaches hold the responsibility of putting them in the position to succeed, and if they just flat out suck, bench them, other teams do it, why cant ours? Maybe because our coaches force a square peg into a round hole and write off the issue as "execution".

Look at the Colts, their oline is below average, but the coaches help them out with play calling that doesn't place so much stress on the unit. Same with the Pats, same with the Colts, same with the Packers.

You hear it all the time in regards to QBs when people say "they need to put him in the position where he can succeed", well the same applies to offensive linemen, because it does start with them. There isn't an offensive line in the league that can win every single week, that's why coaches "scheme" to succeed, but as some of our players have said, our scheme SUCKS.
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