Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by tondiman:
I think Harbaugh knows we have a very big weakness with Kaep. Even if he keeps praising him it's because he still believes the you can win any given sunday. But deep down I think he would pull a "Alex Smith" on Kaep if he had a shot at a better QB. Kaep is the only reason why we aren't scoring, and he knows it.


I think all the coaches will stay, but they will draft or trade for a better QB.

If Kaepernick is a weakness, its his weakness. Kaepernick is Harbaugh's hand-picked guy, if Kaepernick can't hack it, that says more about Harbaugh than anything else.

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

And that is a symptom of what is wrong.

The o-line is the basis of every single play we run. What made the 49ers successful when Harbaugh took over was that he was able to get the o-line turned around. This season, the line has regressed. And the lack of performance can be directly tied to the three players I mentioned. Until he was injured, Kilgore was the one bright spot on the line. The run is an integral part of what the 49ers do. Without it, coaches are forced to scheme around weaknesses. When that weakness is 3 of the 5 players on your o-line, it becomes very difficult to do. Especially when your opponents know that's what you're doing.

If Kap hadn't done it before, what you're saying would hold water. But he has done it before, and at a very high level.

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Originally posted by Legbreaker:


If Kap hadn't done it before, what you're saying would hold water. But he has done it before, and at a very high level.

It's a copycat league, and once one defense learns how to contain you, they all know how to contain you. He can't sit in the pocket and pick you apart if you don't cover every receiver, so defenses take away what he could and can still do. He's not worse. He's contained. It's not going to change. Look, it's simple. You rush to contain his running and flow to his first read. Since his tendancy is to force the ball to his first read or look down to the rush and run, every defense believes they can prevent that second read with just a bit of pressure because it takes him longer. If you flow to where his eyes first go and can get just a little pressure in the pocket, he's down to two bad choices -- force the ball or run.

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Listening to people puking all over the coaching staff, both Harbaugh AND Roman, makes me sick.

I know what's wrong with this team. The coaching staff knows what's wrong. The "experts" paid to analyze this team should, too. All of the caterwauling about Kap is a joke. QB play isn't the problem...it's a symptom. This team has one problem...comprised of three positions: Center, Right Tackle and Right Guard. Marcus Martin, Jonathan Martin and Alex Boone are the problem.

Marcus Martin's first start was a DISASTER. He couldn't call protections. The Rams took advantage of it, and hit Kaepernick more than he's been hit in a game. Boone took over calling protections for a few games to compensate. Last week, it didn't matter. Martin has struggled to get leverage off the snap, and it is costing the 49ers in the run game.

Alex Boone is a selfish putz. His holdout cost him...and the team. He was a shell of himself for the first 5 weeks of the season...and his lack of a training camp has made him an average run blocker. Running to the right has been largely ineffective this season, and Boone's "absence" for lack of a better word has been a huge part of the problem.

Jonathan Martin is useless. Weak. Soft. Unquick. Non-aggressive. He's a below average run blocker. He's far below average as a pass blocker. The drop off between him and Anthony Davis is HUGE. Having to tolerate Martin in place of Davis for 7 of 12 starts has been disastrous for the 49ers.

Kap is gun shy because he's been getting his @ss kicked week in and week out. The line can't keep him off his back. As a result, he's rushing through his reads. He's impatient in the pocket. His mechanics are spotty, and the cumulative pressure he's faced this season is the primary reason. Normally, the 49ers could fall back on the run...but without Kilgore, the real Alex Boone and a healthy Anthony Davis, the run isn't what it used to be.

Harbaugh can't say that. Neither can Roman. Throwing their players under the bus just isn't the way they work. The team is beat to sh*t, and they know it. Injuries have caught up to the 49ers...and that just is what it is.

If the 49ers decide to part ways with a coach that has managed a 72% win percentage over his first 60 games, they will be making their biggest mistake since trading Charles Haley to the Cowboys.

Is it possible, AB81, that intelligent life is still out there? By god, we have to help it!

Originally posted by Legbreaker:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Listening to people puking all over the coaching staff, both Harbaugh AND Roman, makes me sick.

I know what's wrong with this team. The coaching staff knows what's wrong. The "experts" paid to analyze this team should, too. All of the caterwauling about Kap is a joke. QB play isn't the problem...it's a symptom. This team has one problem...comprised of three positions: Center, Right Tackle and Right Guard. Marcus Martin, Jonathan Martin and Alex Boone are the problem.

Marcus Martin's first start was a DISASTER. He couldn't call protections. The Rams took advantage of it, and hit Kaepernick more than he's been hit in a game. Boone took over calling protections for a few games to compensate. Last week, it didn't matter. Martin has struggled to get leverage off the snap, and it is costing the 49ers in the run game.

Alex Boone is a selfish putz. His holdout cost him...and the team. He was a shell of himself for the first 5 weeks of the season...and his lack of a training camp has made him an average run blocker. Running to the right has been largely ineffective this season, and Boone's "absence" for lack of a better word has been a huge part of the problem.

Jonathan Martin is useless. Weak. Soft. Unquick. Non-aggressive. He's a below average run blocker. He's far below average as a pass blocker. The drop off between him and Anthony Davis is HUGE. Having to tolerate Martin in place of Davis for 7 of 12 starts has been disastrous for the 49ers.

Kap is gun shy because he's been getting his @ss kicked week in and week out. The line can't keep him off his back. As a result, he's rushing through his reads. He's impatient in the pocket. His mechanics are spotty, and the cumulative pressure he's faced this season is the primary reason. Normally, the 49ers could fall back on the run...but without Kilgore, the real Alex Boone and a healthy Anthony Davis, the run isn't what it used to be.

Harbaugh can't say that. Neither can Roman. Throwing their players under the bus just isn't the way they work. The team is beat to sh*t, and they know it. Injuries have caught up to the 49ers...and that just is what it is.

If the 49ers decide to part ways with a coach that has managed a 72% win percentage over his first 60 games, they will be making their biggest mistake since trading Charles Haley to the Cowboys.

Sounds like KaepEXCUSES to me. Kid is not getting it done. He can't even move the ball 10 yards for a first down. With his mobility he should be able to scramble to buy time to throw. Wilson does it to us every time he plays us including this past one where he burned us badly buying extra time.

And that is a symptom of what is wrong.

The o-line is the basis of every single play we run. What made the 49ers successful when Harbaugh took over was that he was able to get the o-line turned around. This season, the line has regressed. And the lack of performance can be directly tied to the three players I mentioned. Until he was injured, Kilgore was the one bright spot on the line. The run is an integral part of what the 49ers do. Without it, coaches are forced to scheme around weaknesses. When that weakness is 3 of the 5 players on your o-line, it becomes very difficult to do. Especially when your opponents know that's what you're doing.

If Kap hadn't done it before, what you're saying would hold water. But he has done it before, and at a very high level.

Our oline struggled even with Kilgore and A Davis in there. The struggles in pass pro has already been broken down in here, even Staley and Iupati is up and down (in all 5 of our losses they all have s**t the bed). My question is, do you ever wonder why our oline sucks?! ....I'll tell you, because our SCHEME sucks. And our scheme sucks because the league has adjusted to our once "innovative" run game and our coaches have no answer.

Bruce Miller said it yesterday, that they're not confusing defenses anymore in the run game (which is basically the foundation of our scheme). That's all you need to know about our coaches. At some point (esp after 4 years) they need to be held responsible. Sure there's key injuries, but which team doesn't have those?! Good coaches overcome that. Your post makes it seem like this staff is faultless and infallible when this is supposed to be the year it comes together on offense, but instead they look more confused than ever. Cmon man!!!!!

Dan Reeves 2.0

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Dan Reeves 2.0

can't disagree, unfortunately the comparison makes alot of sense

Originally posted by Legbreaker:
Listening to people puking all over the coaching staff, both Harbaugh AND Roman, makes me sick.

I know what's wrong with this team. The coaching staff knows what's wrong. The "experts" paid to analyze this team should, too. All of the caterwauling about Kap is a joke. QB play isn't the problem...it's a symptom. This team has one problem...comprised of three positions: Center, Right Tackle and Right Guard. Marcus Martin, Jonathan Martin and Alex Boone are the problem.

Marcus Martin's first start was a DISASTER. He couldn't call protections. The Rams took advantage of it, and hit Kaepernick more than he's been hit in a game. Boone took over calling protections for a few games to compensate. Last week, it didn't matter. Martin has struggled to get leverage off the snap, and it is costing the 49ers in the run game.

Alex Boone is a selfish putz. His holdout cost him...and the team. He was a shell of himself for the first 5 weeks of the season...and his lack of a training camp has made him an average run blocker. Running to the right has been largely ineffective this season, and Boone's "absence" for lack of a better word has been a huge part of the problem.

Jonathan Martin is useless. Weak. Soft. Unquick. Non-aggressive. He's a below average run blocker. He's far below average as a pass blocker. The drop off between him and Anthony Davis is HUGE. Having to tolerate Martin in place of Davis for 7 of 12 starts has been disastrous for the 49ers.

Kap is gun shy because he's been getting his @ss kicked week in and week out. The line can't keep him off his back. As a result, he's rushing through his reads. He's impatient in the pocket. His mechanics are spotty, and the cumulative pressure he's faced this season is the primary reason. Normally, the 49ers could fall back on the run...but without Kilgore, the real Alex Boone and a healthy Anthony Davis, the run isn't what it used to be.

Harbaugh can't say that. Neither can Roman. Throwing their players under the bus just isn't the way they work. The team is beat to sh*t, and they know it. Injuries have caught up to the 49ers...and that just is what it is.

If the 49ers decide to part ways with a coach that has managed a 72% win percentage over his first 60 games, they will be making their biggest mistake since trading Charles Haley to the Cowboys.

lol...wut...kap just not getting it done

Originally posted by znk916:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Dan Reeves 2.0

can't disagree, unfortunately the comparison makes alot of sense

I finally understand how Denver stuck with Reeves for so long, he kept them close, made them relevant, looked like a winner, but he never got over the top.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Dan Reeves 2.0

Reeves or Schottenheimer. As long as Harbaugh sticks to with this offense, he'll be just another honorary member of the "close but no cigar" NFL coaches club.



Schottenheimer is 6th all time in wins(200) by an NFL coach, won over 60% of his games but he has been defined by his 5-13 career playoff record. Four times in his career his teams won 13 or more games and lost in their very first playoff game.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by znk916:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Dan Reeves 2.0

can't disagree, unfortunately the comparison makes alot of sense

I finally understand how Denver stuck with Reeves for so long, he kept them close, made them relevant, looked like a winner, but he never got over the top.

So kap = john elway?...

Having a HOF caliber qb certainly helps staying at the top

This team hadn't had a winning season since 2002, and harbaugh comes in and we've had prolly the most wins in the past 3-4 seasons.

I guess York, Baalkee, Paraage must have forgotten the erickson, Nolan, and singletary years, with the later few coaches having the same group of core guys...

Letting harbaugh go would be a big mistake

If you took this to a grand jury they would indict the coaching staff. Overwhelming evidence on film, by expert witnesses and by millions of eye witnesses. Under oath, the players themselves would clinch the verdict.

The sentence: JH would be required to attend film study of the offenses of Bill Walsh and others who used the personnel they had correctly. If the electrodes attached to him indicated excitement he would be fed his favorite food, likely stale beef jerky. He would also watch film from the Big Ten games of 1953 and if the sensors indicated excitement in his lower regions, a severe shock would follow and he would be forced to eat brussel sprouts.

Roman...clearly the Peter Principle in action. He would simply be banned from coaching at any level. Some say high school is ok, but what did those eager young players do to deserve that? Some talented young players who might have gotten a shot at the next level would never be heard from again, their dreams destroyed.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Dan Reeves 2.0

Reeves or Schottenheimer. As long as Harbaugh sticks to with this offense, he'll be just another honorary member of the "close but no cigar" NFL coaches club.



Schottenheimer is 6th all time in wins(200) by an NFL coach, won over 60% of his games but he has been defined by his 5-13 career playoff record. Four times in his career his teams won 13 or more games and lost in their very first playoff game.

Don't forget to add Andy Reid in that mix. Niners have been pretty comparable to the Eagles of the early 2000's that could never get over the hump and had one super bowl L.

Originally posted by ads_2006:
So kap = john elway?...

Having a HOF caliber qb certainly helps staying at the top

This team hadn't had a winning season since 2002, and harbaugh comes in and we've had prolly the most wins in the past 3-4 seasons.

I guess York, Baalkee, Paraage must have forgotten the erickson, Nolan, and singletary years, with the later few coaches having the same group of core guys...

Letting harbaugh go would be a big mistake

I think Harbaugh is the one that's driving this whole thing. I think the FO wants to keep him, but it's him that wants out.

Originally posted by verb1der:
Our oline struggled even with Kilgore and A Davis in there. The struggles in pass pro has already been broken down in here, even Staley and Iupati is up and down (in all 5 of our losses they all have s**t the bed). My question is, do you ever wonder why our oline sucks?! ....I'll tell you, because our SCHEME sucks. And our scheme sucks because the league has adjusted to our once "innovative" run game and our coaches have no answer.

Bruce Miller said it yesterday, that they're not confusing defenses anymore in the run game (which is basically the foundation of our scheme). That's all you need to know about our coaches. At some point (esp after 4 years) they need to be held responsible. Sure there's key injuries, but which team doesn't have those?! Good coaches overcome that. Your post makes it seem like this staff is faultless and infallible when this is supposed to be the year it comes together on offense, but instead they look more confused than ever. Cmon man!!!!!

Kilgore was our highest rated lineman but Davis has struggled so much that he is rated below J Martin in pass protection. So getting Davis back has not been helpful in that area (not surprising returning from injury and I doubt he's 100%). I think Miller said a mouthful!