Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:

I was in town Friday when this news broke, but left for Tahoe all weekend and have no idea what has happened since. Can anyone get me up to speed with what's happened the past 2 days?

Read Matt Barrows link. Its pretty much all a stretch of the Browns reaching out to us about our coaches and Harbaugh with a proposal that we declined on. We were never remotely close to trading Jim from our side. In their minds they were on to something. Now you got hacks like Florio trying to make something outta nothing. Who do you believe? Jed or the crook Haslam? Why would we want to break up a good thing?

This is a damn shame that for whatever reason some powers in the media are pulling this crap around the combine. Somebody has a hardon to knock JH and the team just a peg. Again am not sure whom or what to believe. Is JH somewhat of a egocentric personality? Somewhat YES. Is he hard to work with? From what's out there, PERHAPS! But in this age of corporate America everybody is going for numero uno that is thyself. Every business has an egocentric personality. And in this case JH is getting the job done. So the FO personnel need to jump on JH bozak and d!ckride along till time comes for the relationship cordage is cut off. I'm by no means saying tomorrow.

As a 49ers fan tried and true I've been nothing short of happy with the arrival of JH. Prior to that I was one of the many webzone and 49er fan starting to sift through the start of college football trying to look at potential prospects whom would be on the team come the end of April during NFL draft. Am I disappointed we didn't win the SB? You bet ya! But the past is the past and I've got to leave it behind. And as a team, 49ers need to learn from these previous heartbreaking losses and move on. What was M. Jordan's advice to Shaq during playoff sweep of the Magic, "before you succeed you must first learn to fail".

Furthermore, prior to JH we had Dennis "the drunk" Erickson, followed by Mike "I want to wear suits" Nolan(I swear I had never heard of him before he became the HC), and finally Mike "I'll beat you down with the Holly Cross" Singletarty. Yup the good ole' fun days of going sub-par .500 ball club and constantly picking in the up half of the NFL draft. Does JH need to control his emotions on the sidelines a tad bit? Most Def. Does he need to learn to work well with others? Yes indeed. But by no means is there another coach out there that I can say I would like to coach this team. Before somebody mentions BB out New England please allow me to get my recoding device and camera ready(yes the pun is indented). what has he done since? If anything just as well as JH.

Now to our FO personnel. I have no beef with Trent B although I was one of the many calling for an outside personnel due to TB's connection to McClueless(more on him in a min). People are chirping that JH walked into a team with load roster. YES, but did they know what it meant to put it together and win. The coaching staff of JH showed them how to. Most of the players on the team are those drafted or FA signings by McClueless so he too should be given proper credit. By the way I never liked his ass. I believe TB got Anquan Boldin, drafted N Bowman, A. Smith, E. Ried, C. Cullerver, wiffed on AJ Jenkins, jury is still out of LMJ, K. Hunter, C. Lemonier(love the kid), got ACL redshirt players. What I'm saying is that jury is still out TB. And personally a head ball coach needs to have some input on the rookies being drafted or FA about to be signed.

Finally, Jim Hasslam is a crook. I wouldn't trust anything FLYING(again pun intended) out from his mouth. His life is in shambles, his football team (Cleveland Browns are bigger joke than Oakland Raiders and Washington Redtails combined) along with his trucking business. When a human being is miserable It's only appropriate to make others miserable as well to make thyself feel better. He could have easily defused the situation by LYING(something he has mastered by now) and kept it in house. But he had the need to make sh!t public and give these so called journalist more sh!t to cook up poisoning the lives of others. Do I believe some interactions took place between the 49ers and doo doo Browns? yes but not the way it's been dragged along.

There, my lengthy 2 cents. Go ahead and jump on my pubics and assassinate me if y'all will.

Originally posted by Negrodamus:
This is a damn shame that for whatever reason some powers in the media are pulling this crap around the combine. Somebody has a hardon to knock JH and the team just a peg. Again am not sure whom or what to believe. Is JH somewhat of a egocentric personality? Somewhat YES. Is he hard to work with? From what's out there, PERHAPS! But in this age of corporate America everybody is going for numero uno that is thyself. Every business has an egocentric personality. And in this case JH is getting the job done. So the FO personnel need to jump on JH bozak and d!ckride along till time comes for the relationship cordage is cut off. I'm by no means saying tomorrow.

As a 49ers fan tried and true I've been nothing short of happy with the arrival of JH. Prior to that I was one of the many webzone and 49er fan starting to sift through the start of college football trying to look at potential prospects whom would be on the team come the end of April during NFL draft. Am I disappointed we didn't win the SB? You bet ya! But the past is the past and I've got to leave it behind. And as a team, 49ers need to learn from these previous heartbreaking losses and move on. What was M. Jordan's advice to Shaq during playoff sweep of the Magic, "before you succeed you must first learn to fail".

Furthermore, prior to JH we had Dennis "the drunk" Erickson, followed by Mike "I want to wear suits" Nolan(I swear I had never heard of him before he became the HC), and finally Mike "I'll beat you down with the Holly Cross" Singletarty. Yup the good ole' fun days of going sub-par .500 ball club and constantly picking in the up half of the NFL draft. Does JH need to control his emotions on the sidelines a tad bit? Most Def. Does he need to learn to work well with others? Yes indeed. But by no means is there another coach out there that I can say I would like to coach this team. Before somebody mentions BB out New England please allow me to get my recoding device and camera ready(yes the pun is indented). what has he done since? If anything just as well as JH.

Now to our FO personnel. I have no beef with Trent B although I was one of the many calling for an outside personnel due to TB's connection to McClueless(more on him in a min). People are chirping that JH walked into a team with load roster. YES, but did they know what it meant to put it together and win. The coaching staff of JH showed them how to. Most of the players on the team are those drafted or FA signings by McClueless so he too should be given proper credit. By the way I never liked his ass. I believe TB got Anquan Boldin, drafted N Bowman, A. Smith, E. Ried, C. Cullerver, wiffed on AJ Jenkins, jury is still out of LMJ, K. Hunter, C. Lemonier(love the kid), got ACL redshirt players. What I'm saying is that jury is still out TB. And personally a head ball coach needs to have some input on the rookies being drafted or FA about to be signed.

Finally, Jim Hasslam is a crook. I wouldn't trust anything FLYING(again pun intended) out from his mouth. His life is in shambles, his football team (Cleveland Browns are bigger joke than Oakland Raiders and Washington Redtails combined) along with his trucking business. When a human being is miserable It's only appropriate to make others miserable as well to make thyself feel better. He could have easily defused the situation by LYING(something he has mastered by now) and kept it in house. But he had the need to make sh!t public and give these so called journalist more sh!t to cook up poisoning the lives of others. Do I believe some interactions took place between the 49ers and doo doo Browns? yes but not the way it's been dragged along.

There, my lengthy 2 cents. Go ahead and jump on my pubics and assassinate me if y'all will.

Originally posted by Negrodamus:
This is a damn shame that for whatever reason some powers in the media are pulling this crap around the combine. Somebody has a hardon to knock JH and the team just a peg. Again am not sure whom or what to believe. Is JH somewhat of a egocentric personality? Somewhat YES. Is he hard to work with? From what's out there, PERHAPS! But in this age of corporate America everybody is going for numero uno that is thyself. Every business has an egocentric personality. And in this case JH is getting the job done. So the FO personnel need to jump on JH bozak and d!ckride along till time comes for the relationship cordage is cut off. I'm by no means saying tomorrow.

As a 49ers fan tried and true I've been nothing short of happy with the arrival of JH. Prior to that I was one of the many webzone and 49er fan starting to sift through the start of college football trying to look at potential prospects whom would be on the team come the end of April during NFL draft. Am I disappointed we didn't win the SB? You bet ya! But the past is the past and I've got to leave it behind. And as a team, 49ers need to learn from these previous heartbreaking losses and move on. What was M. Jordan's advice to Shaq during playoff sweep of the Magic, "before you succeed you must first learn to fail".

Furthermore, prior to JH we had Dennis "the drunk" Erickson, followed by Mike "I want to wear suits" Nolan(I swear I had never heard of him before he became the HC), and finally Mike "I'll beat you down with the Holly Cross" Singletarty. Yup the good ole' fun days of going sub-par .500 ball club and constantly picking in the up half of the NFL draft. Does JH need to control his emotions on the sidelines a tad bit? Most Def. Does he need to learn to work well with others? Yes indeed. But by no means is there another coach out there that I can say I would like to coach this team. Before somebody mentions BB out New England please allow me to get my recoding device and camera ready(yes the pun is indented). what has he done since? If anything just as well as JH.

Now to our FO personnel. I have no beef with Trent B although I was one of the many calling for an outside personnel due to TB's connection to McClueless(more on him in a min). People are chirping that JH walked into a team with load roster. YES, but did they know what it meant to put it together and win. The coaching staff of JH showed them how to. Most of the players on the team are those drafted or FA signings by McClueless so he too should be given proper credit. By the way I never liked his ass. I believe TB got Anquan Boldin, drafted N Bowman, A. Smith, E. Ried, C. Cullerver, wiffed on AJ Jenkins, jury is still out of LMJ, K. Hunter, C. Lemonier(love the kid), got ACL redshirt players. What I'm saying is that jury is still out TB. And personally a head ball coach needs to have some input on the rookies being drafted or FA about to be signed.

Finally, Jim Hasslam is a crook. I wouldn't trust anything FLYING(again pun intended) out from his mouth. His life is in shambles, his football team (Cleveland Browns are bigger joke than Oakland Raiders and Washington Redtails combined) along with his trucking business. When a human being is miserable It's only appropriate to make others miserable as well to make thyself feel better. He could have easily defused the situation by LYING(something he has mastered by now) and kept it in house. But he had the need to make sh!t public and give these so called journalist more sh!t to cook up poisoning the lives of others. Do I believe some interactions took place between the 49ers and doo doo Browns? yes but not the way it's been dragged along.

There, my lengthy 2 cents. Go ahead and jump on my pubics and assassinate me if y'all will.

I believe in Barrows reporting. The Browns asked about Harbaugh and we told them no. As Jed said, "the report is not true". What the reporting says is that a trade was nearly completed until Harbaugh nixed it. If we believe this report then we are idiots! We were not close to moving Harbaugh and if we were trying to move him we would have fielded a bidding war and I bet there would have been at least 10 teams willing to trade away most or all of their drafts to get Jim Harbaugh! Us nearly moving Harbaugh for a few picks is unreal and a flat out lie. I would want a teams entire draft this year and at least 2 more firsts for that. Why the hell would we give Jim away so cheaply as the reporting would have us believe? Too many teams needed coaches this offseason for us to only deal with Cleveland. HOU DET TB WAS MIN TEN and even NYJ and DAL could be thrown in there as well. We could have made out like bandits!

I'm more concerned with the behind the scenes issues than any of this stuff with Cleveland. You don't hear these kinds of rumors about Belichick, Tomlin, Coughlin... but then again, we are talking about Jim Harbaugh lol.


I can see this whole Florio debacle being the type of thing that's talked about on a potential America's Game episode.

IMO there is a whole lot more going on behind the scenes. Something drastic had to happen for Harbaugh and Baalke to get to the point of only communicating through emails.

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by bret:
The source of the leak (and the probable instigator of the original trade scenario) is either Harbaugh himself or his agent. There's no other way this story makes sense. Harbaugh has no other stick in his negotiations except the threat of leaving.
The most ironic thing is Harbaugh preaches keeping things in house and cuts people for conduct detrimental to the team if they don't. But he's playing the media to the max to get his contract extension. And if he doesn't he's going to be the most in demand coach when he's free.

There is no other story here.

I'm not a conspiracy guy but that does make a lot of sense.

How would instigating or leaking this story to the press help Harbaugh in his discussions with the team?

Because the fans start to get angry, and York has to make a move to show that theres nothing wrong. A Harbaugh extension would calm people down.

Right now York has his entire fanbase getting restless. Hes trying to open a new stadium next year. The last thing he needs is his fans being unsure about the future.

Yup This would be a good time to extend and shut everyone up?

I am not so sure that Jed York bases his contract negotiations on public opinion.

If Harbaugh were instigating this media mess, it could well end up biting him on the butt.

But it's the only thing that makes sense. Put yourself in Harbaugh's position. Are you really going to take your marbles and go home because you don't always get your way with your boss? Or is it more likely you'd think abut leaving after you found out that your peers in the industry were making as much as twice your salary, and when you took your concern to your owner, he agreed to renegotiate, but then only offered you a 10% to 20% raise. Of course, like in the case of Harbaugh, the negotiations would break down and you'd feel insulted!

Just because Jed and Jim say it didn't happen, doesn't make it true. I'd be far more inclined to trust reporters whose job it is to be unbiased and to check their facts, than I would be to trust the statements of people involved who have a vested interest in covering up the truth.

This is not rocket science!

And how can it blow up inn Harbaugh's face? It's not like he doesn't have other options. It could blow up in Jed York's face, and it could blow up in the faces of Niners fans. But we already know the team low-balled Harbaugh when he attempted to renegotiate last year, and we haven't heard until now about the negotiations that were supposed to begin after the season ended. But we do know about the Niners' history of being cheap. He had an offer that was reportedly $1.5 mil/year higher when he took the Niners job. You don't think Niner ownership didn't assure him he'd be taken care of if he was successful?!

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by dj43:
I see absolutely no reason the 49ers should extend Harbaugh between now and the end of the 2014 season. He has done a mediocre job with a loaded roster that is capable of winning the Super Bowl. A coach should only be rewarded when he makes the most of the situation he has been given, not when someone stirs up a big stink about something that might have happened. Harbaugh has been a huge improvement over Singletary who was one of the worst coaches in history. Need to keep things in perspective.

I agree Jim had his shortcomings in the super bowl and this past NFCCG but the fact is we have arguably been the best team over the last three years under Jim. Now the problem is we have zero chips to show for it

Yes, that IS the problem. When you have the best talent 3 years in a row, or 2 out of the last 3 years, and have no chips to show for it, you don't deserve a raise. In fact, it is fair to call in question just how good a coach one is.

So the standard now is 3 years without a SB and you're now called into question? I mean, go ahead if you feel indignant enough about it, but stop and think how realistic is it to win a SB in 3 years after taking over a deeply dysfunctional team. Now, if we were still struggling at 8-8 or 6-10, then yes, questioning makes perfect sense. But after winning 36 games in 3 years, 2 NFC West titles, 3 NFC championship appearances in a row with one NFC Championship leading to one SB that we came within 5 yards of winning, most people would call that an incredible success.

Think about it...most teams in the league would KILL for those kinds of "chips" and I would hope most fans would appreciate that kind of ongoing success, especially after going a decade in utter shame and humility.

Ok, so he many not be Bill Walsh great yet (or maybe never), but if all of the above doesn't qualify as "good" in your book, than the problem is with your expectations, not with Harbaugh. It took John Harbaugh 5 years to get his ring, and Carroll just got his first after 20 years of NFL coaching and everyone thinks he's a genius now.

Originally posted by bret:

But it's the only thing that makes sense. Put yourself in Harbaugh's position. Are you really going to take your marbles and go home because you don't always get your way with your boss? Or is it more likely you'd think abut leaving after you found out that your peers in the industry were making as much as twice your salary, and when you took your concern to your owner, he agreed to renegotiate, but then only offered you a 10% to 20% raise. Of course, like in the case of Harbaugh, the negotiations would break down and you'd feel insulted!

Just because Jed and Jim say it didn't happen, doesn't make it true. I'd be far more inclined to trust reporters whose job it is to be unbiased and to check their facts, than I would be to trust the statements of people involved who have a vested interest in covering up the truth.

This is not rocket science!

And how can it blow up inn Harbaugh's face? It's not like he doesn't have other options. It could blow up in Jed York's face, and it could blow up in the faces of Niners fans. But we already know the team low-balled Harbaugh when he attempted to renegotiate last year, and we haven't heard until now about the negotiations that were supposed to begin after the season ended. But we do know about the Niners' history of being cheap. He had an offer that was reportedly $1.5 mil/year higher when he took the Niners job. You don't think Niner ownership didn't assure him he'd be taken care of if he was successful?!

I think we gave him a five year $25 million deal. Now we are willing to tear that deal up with two years remaining to give him a raise but only at what we consider a fair price. Jeff Fisher money. OK. Belli check money. Maybe not until you win. I'm just guessing here. Who do I trust? Jed the winner or Haslam the crook? I will go with Jed. It doesn't come down to Florio and writers to me. It is about Jed vs Haslam. Those losers in Cleveland have plenty reason to agitate this situation

Harbaughs.relationship.with baalke is.so.strained they only speak.through email and apparently paraag and harbaugh have beef

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24455137/jim-harbaughs-relationship-with-49ers-brass-is-getting-worse

I haven't read through the recent pages on this thread, but what Haslam said isn't very detailed yet reporters are running with it like it's somehow a refutation of what JH/York said.

"There was an opportunity there, and it didn't materialize," Haslam told USA TODAY Sports.

Seriously? That doesn't really mean anything and certainly isn't confirmation that a "deal" was in the works. Maybe the opportunity to talk in more detail beyond listening to Baalke's voicemail was there, but it didn't materialize because Trent never called back. Maybe the opportunity to have Lombardi's son talk to JH about it was there, but never materialized because the younger Lombardi didn't want to be in the middle of this.

Clearly PFW is doing their best to seem credible, but nothing that they've said or published since their initial report substantiates the claim of a "deal almost in place."

Originally posted by 9er2k:
Harbaughs.relationship.with baalke is.so.strained they only speak.through email and apparently paraag and harbaugh have beef

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24455137/jim-harbaughs-relationship-with-49ers-brass-is-getting-worse

LaCanfora is still employed?

Originally posted by 9er2k:

Harbaughs.relationship.with baalke is.so.strained they only speak.through email and apparently paraag and harbaugh have beef

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24455137/jim-harbaughs-relationship-with-49ers-brass-is-getting-worse

Paraag > harbaugh > baalke

I would be shocked if the "talks" were more than the Browns proposing a deal for Harbaugh and the Niners laughing and saying no. Then flash forward a couple weeks when the Browns have been ripped in the press for their terrible head coach search, so they tried to save face by leaking that they tried to trade for Harbaugh and it "barely" fell through, thus moving their incompetence over to the 49ers. That's the old political game of getting the media wolves to follow another scent and off your own.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
So the standard now is 3 years without a SB and you're now called into question? I mean, go ahead if you feel indignant enough about it, but stop and think how realistic is it to win a SB in 3 years after taking over a deeply dysfunctional team. Now, if we were still struggling at 8-8 or 6-10, then yes, questioning makes perfect sense. But after winning 36 games in 3 years, 2 NFC West titles, 3 NFC championship appearances in a row with one NFC Championship leading to one SB that we came within 5 yards of winning, most people would call that an incredible success.

Think about it...most teams in the league would KILL for those kinds of "chips" and I would hope most fans would appreciate that kind of ongoing success, especially after going a decade in utter shame and humility.

Ok, so he many not be Bill Walsh great yet (or maybe never), but if all of the above doesn't qualify as "good" in your book, than the problem is with your expectations, not with Harbaugh. It took John Harbaugh 5 years to get his ring, and Carroll just got his first after 20 years of NFL coaching and everyone thinks he's a genius now.

Good post! Walsh had a really nice set up with McVay helping him as a senior mentor and a very proficient front office. He also knew how to pick assistants--both offensive and defensive. He also had the advantage of coming in after Thomas made some tough and perhaps insane cuts in the roster, leaving the team with a core of really good veterans who had seen bad times up close and personal. But he had an owner who was almost maniacally driven to win.

Harbaugh came in after ten years of mediocrity but with a solid group of players to build on. He has a good front office and a GM who is young and determined to run his team. This is the main difference, along with the owner being much more mentally stable. But JH is not Walsh! Who is?! The rift, if there is one, between Harbaugh and Baalke is predictable in a game of egos and testosterone...and it may wind up with one or the other having to leave eventually, but hopefully after a super bowl win or two.

This is a good time to mention the need for a more explosive NFL passing game...go draft!