Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by mutant-man49:

Originally posted by JD9671:

Then who replaces ! Coach ?

Tomsula, might be the most respected coach on staff.

Other names include McDaniels, David Shaw and Kevin Sumlin.

lol so a bunch of guys with no NFL offers.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by bret:

The source of the leak (and the probable instigator of the original trade scenario) is either Harbaugh himself or his agent. There's no other way this story makes sense. Harbaugh has no other stick in his negotiations except the threat of leaving.
The most ironic thing is Harbaugh preaches keeping things in house and cuts people for conduct detrimental to the team if they don't. But he's playing the media to the max to get his contract extension. And if he doesn't he's going to be the most in demand coach when he's free.

There is no other story here.

I'm not a conspiracy guy but that does make a lot of sense.

How would instigating or leaking this story to the press help Harbaugh in his discussions with the team?

Because the fans start to get angry, and York has to make a move to show that theres nothing wrong. A Harbaugh extension would calm people down.

Right now York has his entire fanbase getting restless. Hes trying to open a new stadium next year. The last thing he needs is his fans being unsure about the future.

Yup This would be a good time to extend and shut everyone up?

I am not so sure that Jed York bases his contract negotiations on public opinion.

If Harbaugh were instigating this media mess, it could well end up biting him on the butt.

"Public opinion" is who buys seats. He better worry about what the fans think.

To an extent maybe. But if you did everything the fans wanted, you'd have a lousy organization.

Right, but this is one of those grand scale things that matter. The fans will be so pissed if we let him leave. Unless we plan on getting Bill Belichick, were downgrading at HC if he leaves. Fans being asked to pay super expensive new ticket prices might just stay home if they arent going to prioritize winning.

Thats why it's a bit of a conundrum. Jed has a tough decision. Piss off the fans, or piss off the people in your own organization. What if you lock him into a lucrative contract and the dissension within the organization gets so bad the team starts losing?

I don't know about you but I'm not willing to dismiss the feud(s) that the media is talking about as just haters being haters.

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by crabman82:

i think this story is filled with a lot of b******t, that aside i'm starting to wonder if harbaugh is like a parcells of larry brown in the nba where he never stays 1 place too long

There was an interview awhile back I think just before the SuperBowl last year, where John was talking about his brother when they were younger and how he couldn't keep friends very long and he constantly wore out his welcome everywhere they went.

Makes perfect sense.

My fear is that if the front office already can't get along with him, how long before the players start to dismiss him, if they haven't already. I don't want to be locked in with a coach whom the players hate, I don't care how good he is.

That LaCanfora article mentioned Tomsula as a possible replacement. I'm LOLing because I'm actually thinking about it.

Hes not here to make friends. Hes here to win titles. As long as hes giving us that chance, he can be the biggest douche of all time.

No one said he's here to make friends. But he has to work well with others. Otherwise he's on an island and that can't work for long.

Works for Belichick. When youre good, others work around your difficult personality.

the hoody has final say over the roster in new england. i dont think harbaugh does here, for example the owen marecic thing when miller got hurt. harbs named dropped him, then we sign tukuafu. in new england, the hoody is signing who he wants.

Which is why Harbaugh should get that say. Sorry, but if its Baalke or Harbaugh, Baalke has to go. Harbaugh is just too important.

Can't lose Harbaugh. I have no faith in anyone else being able to continue Kaepernick's development as a QB.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by crabman82:
i think this story is filled with a lot of b******t, that aside i'm starting to wonder if harbaugh is like a parcells of larry brown in the nba where he never stays 1 place too long

There was an interview awhile back I think just before the SuperBowl last year, where John was talking about his brother when they were younger and how he couldn't keep friends very long and he constantly wore out his welcome everywhere they went.

Makes perfect sense.

My fear is that if the front office already can't get along with him, how long before the players start to dismiss him, if they haven't already. I don't want to be locked in with a coach whom the players hate, I don't care how good he is.

That LaCanfora article mentioned Tomsula as a possible replacement. I'm LOLing because I'm actually thinking about it.

Hes not here to make friends. Hes here to win titles. As long as hes giving us that chance, he can be the biggest douche of all time.

No one said he's here to make friends. But he has to work well with others. Otherwise he's on an island and that can't work for long.

Works for Belichick. When youre good, others work around your difficult personality.

the hoody has final say over the roster in new england. i dont think harbaugh does here, for example the owen marecic thing when miller got hurt. harbs named dropped him, then we sign tukuafu. in new england, the hoody is signing who he wants.

Which is why Harbaugh should get that say. Sorry, but if its Baalke or Harbaugh, Baalke has to go. Harbaugh is just too important.

i'd lean harbs > baalke too, big time. just the notion that hes a dick or douche and ppl should have to put up with it cus he wins is what i disagree with. maybe being less of an overt douche will have better karma or something. coughlin dropped some of the military type rules he had forever and ended up with 2 rings. just food for thought.

Originally posted by Niners99:

lol so a bunch of guys with no NFL offers.

All will be nfl head coaches in due time...except for Tomsula

Originally posted by pfizz:
Everyday there's a new report about our internal problems. Seems like were on the verge of imploding.

Other side of the coin argues controversy eliminates complacency. Things were a little too peachy following that Ravens lose.

Anyway, our Dynasty days should illustrate you lose valuable pieces along the way.

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Thats why it's a bit of a conundrum. Jed has a tough decision. Piss off the fans, or piss off the people in your own organization. What if you lock him into a lucrative contract and the dissension within the organization gets so bad the team starts losing?

I don't know about you but I'm not willing to dismiss the feud(s) that the media is talking about as just haters being haters.

Agree with this. You just have know way of knowing what the internal situation is and if he is as high maintenance as Stanford folks indicated then perhaps he is the one who has to go. But it seems like he's been able to keep the D and O coaches pretty happy. If there is a struggle between Baalke and Harbaugh I would think it behooves Jed to step in and be the arbiter of final resolve. If that doesn't work then one or the other will write their ticket out of town...which ever annoys Jed the most.

In 20 years we will find out the answers in a ESPN 30 for 30 special lol

Possible issues I could see...
Obviously his pay grade
Trent pissed about players not playing
Maybe disagreements about O philosophy
Difference of opinions about which players should be drafted
Maybe the release of certain players Jim wanted to keep
Arguments about who should be retained and/or released

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by bret:
The source of the leak (and the probable instigator of the original trade scenario) is either Harbaugh himself or his agent. There's no other way this story makes sense. Harbaugh has no other stick in his negotiations except the threat of leaving.
The most ironic thing is Harbaugh preaches keeping things in house and cuts people for conduct detrimental to the team if they don't. But he's playing the media to the max to get his contract extension. And if he doesn't he's going to be the most in demand coach when he's free.

There is no other story here.

I'm not a conspiracy guy but that does make a lot of sense.

How would instigating or leaking this story to the press help Harbaugh in his discussions with the team?

Interest from other teams would appear to enhance his value.

This would not be the first time an agent, working through various channels, had leaked information in an attempt to get his client a better/bigger deal (bigger commission for himself)…if it happened. The leak would be set up in such a way as to protect any real sources and any of the principals. It is called "plausible deniability."

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Thats why it's a bit of a conundrum. Jed has a tough decision. Piss off the fans, or piss off the people in your own organization. What if you lock him into a lucrative contract and the dissension within the organization gets so bad the team starts losing?

I don't know about you but I'm not willing to dismiss the feud(s) that the media is talking about as just haters being haters.

f there is a struggle between Baalke and Harbaugh I would think it behooves Jed to step in and be the arbiter of final resolve. If that doesn't work then one or the other will write their ticket out of town...which ever annoys Jed the most.

I agree with the latter 100%.If true,Jed should be the voice of reason."hey,I pay BOTH of you,calm ya asses down n work it out,OR ELSE"

Btw,what would be soooo wrong with Jim having a little more control??Does that take away from Trent??

And I honestly cannot see why they both cant be a team if true.If Trent has to pull rank too often,or Jim wont see reason,it wont work for long.

I imagine Baalke and Harbaugh having a cup of coffee tomorrow morning scrolling through this thread laughing there asses off.

I love what Harbaugh has done but if there is beef l feel Harbaugh is the instigator. I like how Jed is getting stadiums built Paraage manages the cap and the talent Trent had stacked this roster with and the picks he has amassed. I also like what Jim has done with it foe the most part. It ain't on Jim that KW fumbled in 2011. We had an awesome first year but Jim let us down in 2012 when we had first and goal at the 7 and Gore didn't get one run attempt! One run! As for 2013 Jim did a heroic job but in the NFCCG 3rd and 22 and 4th and 7 are inexcusable! Trent had a horrible 2012 draft but he didn't spend an lot of draft capital either and he in fact rolled over a lot of it for 2013 and now 2014. Both drafts should give us ample opportunity to reload our talent core. All in all both sides have done well but neither party will find a better fit. But I am a Niners fan and at the end of the day I side with Jed Paraage and Trent. I think Jim is on the same side as well and I hope he will be for years to come despite this ridiculous circus being created in the media. If I were Jim I know I will get paid and I know I am in the best spot

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Yup. Pay the man. First coach ever to make three straight NFCC after taking over a team who hadn't been over 500 in many many years.

We are close to the super bowl everyyear and that is awesome. I'm already excited for next year because i know JH will put a good product out there on the field. He just needs to calm the f**k down on the sidelines, manage the clock better, and manage his timeouts and challenges much better. I think he is one of the worst in the league at challenges and wasting timeouts. And i thoought MEtal Mike was bad at those...

In a very competitive league, those are no longer little things. He needs to get focused on the field and how to help the players win. When you are blowing white hot you can't suddenly go back and pick a play that will succeed. I don't think it is a coincidence that this team has struggled offensively ever since he came here, particularly in the red zone.

Originally posted by ModestoNiner33:
I imagine Baalke and Harbaugh having a cup of coffee tomorrow morning scrolling through this thread laughing there asses off.

Hope you're right. I noticed that Trent and Jim haven't been together at all during the combine. Jim has been with Mangini the whole time.