CBA Thread

I think it's all semantics at this point. The league should have been crystal clear that they simply ratified an agreement in principal subject to final acceptance by the players. That's basically what I got from Goodell in Atlanta yesterday, but they could have been more clear. I don't see this imploding.

Only thing that's really bugging me at this point is that the NFL has yet to respond to the allegations they're being issued/sustained.

-There hasn't been (even) your usual/casual Roger Goodell press comment of 3 sentences or less to address this situation.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ace49ers:

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There was only one problem. The owners had not voted to accept a negotiated, collectively bargained agreement. They were doing little more than voting to approve their own deal. Neither the NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith, nor NFLPA President Kevin Mawae, nor any of the player reps had even seen the agreement the owners voted upon. It reportedly includes a series of provisions that hadn’t been discussed or bargained. It was a power play aimed at using the deadline for a settlement to get their wish-list on the player’s backs. Eric Cantor would have been proud.

Sounds like the NFL owners took a page out of Capital Hill.

the supplemental revenue sharing provision has to do with the owners, not the players. so the players look pretty stupid getting all upset about something that doesnt really affect them.

Salary cap is based on revenue. If it is based on shared revenue, then this could impact them. I don't know how it works, but since there was negotiation over how much revenue would go to salaries, and how much of any extra over projected amounts the players would get, they should still understand the logistics of the revenue sharing agreement.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Only thing that's really bugging me at this point is that the NFL has yet to respond to the allegations they're being issued/sustained.

-There hasn't been (even) your usual/casual Roger Goodell press comment of 3 sentences or less to address this situation.

Why should they. The players are making themselves look bad. Why help them out.

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ace49ers:

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There was only one problem. The owners had not voted to accept a negotiated, collectively bargained agreement. They were doing little more than voting to approve their own deal. Neither the NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith, nor NFLPA President Kevin Mawae, nor any of the player reps had even seen the agreement the owners voted upon. It reportedly includes a series of provisions that hadn’t been discussed or bargained. It was a power play aimed at using the deadline for a settlement to get their wish-list on the player’s backs. Eric Cantor would have been proud.

Sounds like the NFL owners took a page out of Capital Hill.

the supplemental revenue sharing provision has to do with the owners, not the players. so the players look pretty stupid getting all upset about something that doesnt really affect them.

Salary cap is based on revenue. If it is based on shared revenue, then this could impact them. I don't know how it works, but since there was negotiation over how much revenue would go to salaries, and how much of any extra over projected amounts the players would get, they should still understand the logistics of the revenue sharing agreement.

The players were given the option to be involved in it during mediation from reports. They told the owners it was thier deal.

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ace49ers:

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There was only one problem. The owners had not voted to accept a negotiated, collectively bargained agreement. They were doing little more than voting to approve their own deal. Neither the NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith, nor NFLPA President Kevin Mawae, nor any of the player reps had even seen the agreement the owners voted upon. It reportedly includes a series of provisions that hadn’t been discussed or bargained. It was a power play aimed at using the deadline for a settlement to get their wish-list on the player’s backs. Eric Cantor would have been proud.

Sounds like the NFL owners took a page out of Capital Hill.

the supplemental revenue sharing provision has to do with the owners, not the players. so the players look pretty stupid getting all upset about something that doesnt really affect them.

Salary cap is based on revenue. If it is based on shared revenue, then this could impact them. I don't know how it works, but since there was negotiation over how much revenue would go to salaries, and how much of any extra over projected amounts the players would get, they should still understand the logistics of the revenue sharing agreement.

i believe the purpose of the supplemental revenue sharing is so if a small market team like jacksonville falls on hard times and is unable to reach the salary cap floor, then they'd get help from the rest of the league to do so.

Mike Lombardi on NFLN just had some interesting things to say....

Says the final sticking point between the players and a vote/deal is that they want a voice/seat at the table regarding player discipline. Said that if they can make concessions and work through that, he feels a vote will go down today.

George Wilson of the Bills nearly echoed that statement. Rich Eisen asked if he was 90, 95, 99 percent sure that a deal is that close, and that all the players need was time to review the deal the owners approved.

He said yes, and once he finishes with his workouts (Wilson) he will be sitting near his phone in the event of a conference call/vote.

Based on the timelines instituted in the new CBA regarding players/training camp/games (the time in between), I'd say it gets done today. The timing is too damn close. If they wait til Monday, it could be too late to play the 1st week of preseason. That money will NOT get lost.

Mark it down.

Originally posted by fakers23:
I think all this is the players using the liberal media to get a sweeter pot!

Well, we know what all of your opinions on the subject will be now.

If only people could look past their politics and see the actual issue.

Wait... you opinion doesn't matter....

Forget I said anything.

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ace49ers:

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There was only one problem. The owners had not voted to accept a negotiated, collectively bargained agreement. They were doing little more than voting to approve their own deal. Neither the NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith, nor NFLPA President Kevin Mawae, nor any of the player reps had even seen the agreement the owners voted upon. It reportedly includes a series of provisions that hadn’t been discussed or bargained. It was a power play aimed at using the deadline for a settlement to get their wish-list on the player’s backs. Eric Cantor would have been proud.

Sounds like the NFL owners took a page out of Capital Hill.

the supplemental revenue sharing provision has to do with the owners, not the players. so the players look pretty stupid getting all upset about something that doesnt really affect them.

Salary cap is based on revenue. If it is based on shared revenue, then this could impact them. I don't know how it works, but since there was negotiation over how much revenue would go to salaries, and how much of any extra over projected amounts the players would get, they should still understand the logistics of the revenue sharing agreement.

Yeah. I don't buy the argument that the players had no idea about the essential terms of this deal as agreed to by the owners. Those terms were heavily negotiated over months. I do think that the owners added in new terms on unresolved issues, but that is NOT the same as changing the essential character of the bargained-for deal terms. Now, the players should focus only on any areas of disagreement, counter if appropriate, and move this thing forward.

Originally posted by JD81:
Mike Lombardi on NFLN just had some interesting things to say....

Says the final sticking point between the players and a vote/deal is that they want a voice/seat at the table regarding player discipline. Said that if they can make concessions and work through that, he feels a vote will go down today.

George Wilson of the Bills nearly echoed that statement. Rich Eisen asked if he was 90, 95, 99 percent sure that a deal is that close, and that all the players need was time to review the deal the owners approved.

He said yes, and once he finishes with his workouts (Wilson) he will be sitting near his phone in the event of a conference call/vote.

Based on the timelines instituted in the new CBA regarding players/training camp/games (the time in between), I'd say it gets done today. The timing is too damn close. If they wait til Monday, it could be too late to play the 1st week of preseason. That money will NOT get lost.

Mark it down.

I hope you're right. ::fingers crossed::

Originally posted by JD81:
Mike Lombardi on NFLN just had some interesting things to say....

Says the final sticking point between the players and a vote/deal is that they want a voice/seat at the table regarding player discipline. Said that if they can make concessions and work through that, he feels a vote will go down today.

George Wilson of the Bills nearly echoed that statement. Rich Eisen asked if he was 90, 95, 99 percent sure that a deal is that close, and that all the players need was time to review the deal the owners approved.

He said yes, and once he finishes with his workouts (Wilson) he will be sitting near his phone in the event of a conference call/vote.

Based on the timelines instituted in the new CBA regarding players/training camp/games (the time in between), I'd say it gets done today. The timing is too damn close. If they wait til Monday, it could be too late to play the 1st week of preseason. That money will NOT get lost.

Mark it down.

Sadly though, the players don't give a f**k about this (and have voiced that there is no timeline, and won't be bullied into one). -They're gonna prove a point and probably not vote for another two weeks (just to be dicks).

...That is if they even vote; or go through with that "Federal Anti-trust" lawsuit they're throwing around after getting their 'feelings' hurt after yesterday.

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The NFLPA* has sent the following e-mail to all agents: “We have received information from players indicating that they are being referred to a website – nflvr.com. The website is asking players to vote to reconstitute as a union and that the players can use the site to facilitate that action. Please be advised that this site is not affiliated with either the NFL or the NFLPA. You should ignore this site and advise your players to do so as well.”

Based on available online information, the site was created on Thursday by Austin Jordan of Roanoke, Virginia.

The fact that the NFLPA* felt compelled to point out the existence of the site — and to encourage players not to use it — suggests that the NFLPA* had reason to believe that players were thinking about using it. (Or maybe were actually using it.)

The truth is that, if 50 percent of the players plus one vote to create a union, they’ll be a union. It doesn’t matter whether the NFLPA* organizes it; anyone can. (Indeed, there was talk back in April and May of a group of free agents trying to unionize separate and apart from the NFL.)

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:



Sadly though, the players don't give a f**k about this (and have voiced that there is no timeline, and won't be bullied into one). -They're gonna prove a point and probably not vote for another two weeks (just to be dicks).

...That is if they even vote; or go through with that "Federal Anti-trust" lawsuit they're throwing around after getting their 'feelings' hurt after yesterday.

Just throw away the cheerios an pour another bowl, dude.

Originally posted by JD81:
Mike Lombardi on NFLN just had some interesting things to say....

Says the final sticking point between the players and a vote/deal is that they want a voice/seat at the table regarding player discipline. Said that if they can make concessions and work through that, he feels a vote will go down today.

George Wilson of the Bills nearly echoed that statement. Rich Eisen asked if he was 90, 95, 99 percent sure that a deal is that close, and that all the players need was time to review the deal the owners approved.

He said yes, and once he finishes with his workouts (Wilson) he will be sitting near his phone in the event of a conference call/vote.

Based on the timelines instituted in the new CBA regarding players/training camp/games (the time in between), I'd say it gets done today. The timing is too damn close. If they wait til Monday, it could be too late to play the 1st week of preseason. That money will NOT get lost.

Mark it down.

Allowing the player's to have some voice or input on player discipline seems like a reasonable request, and a wise one--player's would be less likely to resent discipline by the league if its issued by someone other than just the commish. IMHO.

My personal experience with labor disputes such as this is that the union side is always gonna have some members who are more interested in trying to stick it to the owners/management than they are in resolving and going back to work. But those members are usually the minority, and don't carry the day on a vote.

Seems that there is a certain amount of posturing going on at present, but at some point cooler heads will prevail and this will get done. I hope.

Originally posted by JD81:
Mike Lombardi on NFLN just had some interesting things to say....

Says the final sticking point between the players and a vote/deal is that they want a voice/seat at the table regarding player discipline. Said that if they can make concessions and work through that, he feels a vote will go down today.

George Wilson of the Bills nearly echoed that statement. Rich Eisen asked if he was 90, 95, 99 percent sure that a deal is that close, and that all the players need was time to review the deal the owners approved.

He said yes, and once he finishes with his workouts (Wilson) he will be sitting near his phone in the event of a conference call/vote.

Based on the timelines instituted in the new CBA regarding players/training camp/games (the time in between), I'd say it gets done today. The timing is too damn close. If they wait til Monday, it could be too late to play the 1st week of preseason. That money will NOT get lost.

Mark it down.

Well, I hope that is true.

I think the players should have a seat when it comes to discipline. Goodell has too much power in this area and is ruining the game.

However, we have heard they are 95% close many many times only to find out there is another issue that needs to be resolved.