Bring back Owens, the petition! I was really drunk!

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:
you want to develope Morgan and Crabtree or not?

just stop it

This isn't an egg incubation chamber, this is a f**king football team. If they can't "develope" with competition or even influence from a future possible Hall of Fame player they are a waste of time. Owens would not stunt the growth of our young receivers at all, he would offer a benefit. Give me a break, you stop.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

Originally posted by TJA85:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
T.O. is always great in Year One for a new team. The problem is Year Two, Year Three, etc. This has always been his M.O.

So, if it is for a one year contract, I have no problem.

The Bills might disagree.

I love what TO did for this team.

I wish that he would have grown up and stayed a Niner.

He remained one of my favorite players even after he left the team.

However, that ship has sailed. Just say f**k NO to TO.

What did TO do in Buffalo?

Exactly.

The Bills had no O-Line, no QB and was ranked 27th on Offense and 29th in Passing Offense. I wouldn't expect anyone to do much on that team yet TO was still able to put up pretty good numbers.

Yup. That's like saying what did Randy Moss do in Oakland?

Exactly.

Perhaps TO was part of the reason they had "no QB and was ranked 27th on Offense and 29th in Passing Offense"? Cause and effect.

As I posted above, I am a TO fan. I just think: (a) he's nowhere near as good as he used to be; (b) he does not fit this team; (c) he's a ticking time bomb whose cost outweighs his benefit; and (d) nostalgia and homerism is causing some to want to sign him.

You think TO is the cause of their poor offense? You gotta be kidding me. Then you're pretty much saying Fred Jackson was also the cause of their poor offense because he was able to produce numbers despite being on a s**tty team and s**tty supporting cast.

(a) He's nowhere as good as he used to be - He's still better than any of our current receivers and would bring another dynamic to our WR core and veteran leadership. If we bring him in, it would be to help the team and improve the offense.

(b) See above

(c) Cause he was a ticking time bomb in Buffalo? He didn't do anything negative while he was there

(d) The need to win right away instead of waiting another 8 years to get into the playoffs yet alone get a winning record is causing some to want to sign a possible future HoF (who wants to come back) to help out.

Drunk Zoning just like Drunk Dialing is never recommended

(a) He's nowhere as good as he used to be - He's still better than any of our current receivers and would bring another dynamic to our WR core and veteran leadership. If we bring him in, it would be to help the team and improve the offense. Disagree. I would bet that Crabtree in year 2 will be > TO in year 12 or whatever he is in.

(b) See above VD is emerging. MC is emerging. JM is emerging. JH needs more chances. Do we really want to limit their touches by bringing in an over the hill 1-2 year WR? I don't.

(c) Cause he was a ticking time bomb in Buffalo? He didn't do anything negative while he was there SF - Problem. Philly - Problem. Dallas - Problem. Buffalo - practiced when he wanted to, but no nuclear events. Then again, he was the focus of the offense. Will he be so here?

(d) The need to win right away instead of waiting another 8 years to get into the playoffs yet alone get a winning record is causing some to want to sign a possible future HoF (who wants to come back) to help out. Let me get this straight - you think that signing TO is the difference between "winning right away" and 8 years of waiting? If that is true, why hasn't he been snatched up by every other franchise who wants to win right away? And if we do sign him, when he leaves when his 1 year deal is up, will the team drop back into mediocrity? T.O. is NOT how this team gets to the playoffs, in my opinion. We will get there by fixing our OL, letting our D continue to improve and getting our young skill players (MC, VD, JH, JM) as many game touches as possible.

People seem to think that I dislike TO or think that he is a bad player. Neither is true. I simply think that he is a BAD FIT for the Niners today. That's all. Nothing personal. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:
you want to develope Morgan and Crabtree or not?

just stop it

This isn't an egg incubation chamber, this is a f**king football team. If they can't "develope" with competition or even influence from a future possible Hall of Fame player they are a waste of time. Owens would not stunt the growth of our young receivers at all, he would offer a benefit. Give me a break, you stop.

two words

Miles Austin

what did morgan do last season that impressed you? i saw just about every snap last season and not once was I impressed with him. I cant even remember a play he had at all. I don't hat the guy, i hope it was just a sophomore slump. But he did nothing of importance.

Owens is old and slow now, he still drops passes, that is the reality here. They got rid of Bruce after a productive 2008, so what makes you think Singletary is down for Owens.

If I thought Singletary was down for Owens I wouldn't make a f**king petition!

I like Owens, but he's done, bro. Finishto. There's nothing that he does that Morgan can't.

what did morgan do last season that impressed you? i saw just about every snap last season and not once was I impressed with him. I cant even remember a play he had at all. I don't hat the guy, i hope it was just a sophomore slump. But he did nothing of importance.

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:
you want to develope Morgan and Crabtree or not?

just stop it

This isn't an egg incubation chamber, this is a f**king football team. If they can't "develope" with competition or even influence from a future possible Hall of Fame player they are a waste of time. Owens would not stunt the growth of our young receivers at all, he would offer a benefit. Give me a break, you stop.

two words

Miles Austin

what did morgan do last season that impressed you? i saw just about every snap last season and not once was I impressed with him. I cant even remember a play he had at all. I don't hat the guy, i hope it was just a sophomore slump. But he did nothing of importance.

Owens is old and slow now, he still drops passes, that is the reality here. They got rid of Bruce after a productive 2008, so what makes you think Singletary is down for Owens.

If I thought Singletary was down for Owens I wouldn't make a f**king petition!

I like Owens, but he's done, bro. Finishto. There's nothing that he does that Morgan can't.

Absolutely false. I can't believe you're comparing Josh Morgan to T.O.

T.O. had 55 rec, 829 yds, and 5 TDs last season for the abysmal Bills.

I'd take him in a heartbeat, stick him at #2 opposite Crabtree.

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:
you want to develope Morgan and Crabtree or not?

just stop it

This isn't an egg incubation chamber, this is a f**king football team. If they can't "develope" with competition or even influence from a future possible Hall of Fame player they are a waste of time. Owens would not stunt the growth of our young receivers at all, he would offer a benefit. Give me a break, you stop.

two words

Miles Austin

what did morgan do last season that impressed you? i saw just about every snap last season and not once was I impressed with him. I cant even remember a play he had at all. I don't hat the guy, i hope it was just a sophomore slump. But he did nothing of importance.

Owens is old and slow now, he still drops passes, that is the reality here. They got rid of Bruce after a productive 2008, so what makes you think Singletary is down for Owens.

If I thought Singletary was down for Owens I wouldn't make a f**king petition!

I like Owens, but he's done, bro. Finishto. There's nothing that he does that Morgan can't.

Absolutely false. I can't believe you're comparing Josh Morgan to T.O.

T.O. had 55 rec, 829 yds, and 5 TDs last season for the abysmal Bills.

I'd take him in a heartbeat, stick him at #2 opposite Crabtree.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:
you want to develope Morgan and Crabtree or not?

just stop it

This isn't an egg incubation chamber, this is a f**king football team. If they can't "develope" with competition or even influence from a future possible Hall of Fame player they are a waste of time. Owens would not stunt the growth of our young receivers at all, he would offer a benefit. Give me a break, you stop.

Originally posted by Kalen49ers:

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:
you want to develope Morgan and Crabtree or not?

just stop it

This isn't an egg incubation chamber, this is a f**king football team. If they can't "develope" with competition or even influence from a future possible Hall of Fame player they are a waste of time. Owens would not stunt the growth of our young receivers at all, he would offer a benefit. Give me a break, you stop.

two words

Miles Austin

what did morgan do last season that impressed you? i saw just about every snap last season and not once was I impressed with him. I cant even remember a play he had at all. I don't hat the guy, i hope it was just a sophomore slump. But he did nothing of importance.

Owens is old and slow now, he still drops passes, that is the reality here. They got rid of Bruce after a productive 2008, so what makes you think Singletary is down for Owens.

If I thought Singletary was down for Owens I wouldn't make a f**king petition!

I like Owens, but he's done, bro. Finishto. There's nothing that he does that Morgan can't.

Absolutely false. I can't believe you're comparing Josh Morgan to T.O.

T.O. had 55 rec, 829 yds, and 5 TDs last season for the abysmal Bills.

I'd take him in a heartbeat, stick him at #2 opposite Crabtree.

How do we send this to Scotty?

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
(a) He's nowhere as good as he used to be - He's still better than any of our current receivers and would bring another dynamic to our WR core and veteran leadership. If we bring him in, it would be to help the team and improve the offense. Disagree. I would bet that Crabtree in year 2 will be > TO in year 12 or whatever he is in.

Your probably right, but look who your comparing him to. Crabtree is SUPPOSED to be our #1, so if your comparing TO to Crabtree, that makes TO our #2.

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(b) See above VD is emerging. MC is emerging. JM is emerging. JH needs more chances. Do we really want to limit their touches by bringing in an over the hill 1-2 year WR? I don't.

Again TO would be an upgrade at the #2 spot, Morgan and Hill don't scare any DC like TO does, and still at the age of 36 he commands a double team at times.

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(c) Cause he was a ticking time bomb in Buffalo? He didn't do anything negative while he was there SF - Problem. Philly - Problem. Dallas - Problem. Buffalo - practiced when he wanted to, but no nuclear events. Then again, he was the focus of the offense. Will he be so here?

Of course he won't be the focus of our offense, but his presence gives Smith another target and should take pressure off the young guys (Davis and Crabtree).

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(d) The need to win right away instead of waiting another 8 years to get into the playoffs yet alone get a winning record is causing some to want to sign a possible future HoF (who wants to come back) to help out. Let me get this straight - you think that signing TO is the difference between "winning right away" and 8 years of waiting? If that is true, why hasn't he been snatched up by every other franchise who wants to win right away? And if we do sign him, when he leaves when his 1 year deal is up, will the team drop back into mediocrity? T.O. is NOT how this team gets to the playoffs, in my opinion. We will get there by fixing our OL, letting our D continue to improve and getting our young skill players (MC, VD, JH, JM) as many game touches as possible.

So just because teams aren't in a hurry to pick up TO, you think he won't be a factor on the field?? Sure signing TO alone won't catapult us into the playoffs, but he will be another weapon for our offense. Shoot drafting Crabtree didn't catapult us into the playoffs, but it was another piece to the puzzle. Like I've said before, once TO starts scoring, all criticism will be long forgotten, plus signing TO would be a small price if things didn't workout. Unless he signs with the Raiders, I guarantee you he will be a factor on the field in 2010.

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People seem to think that I dislike TO or think that he is a bad player. Neither is true. I simply think that he is a BAD FIT for the Niners today. That's all. Nothing personal. Nothing more, nothing less.

How is TO a bad fit, aside from your ticking bomb opinion of him?? Its not like we run Martz's system in which smaller and quicker receivers are more favorable in that offense.

to would be good for the team ... he goes hard at blockin and is real physical ... josh morgan was booty last year ...

K - I am on my phone, so I cannot post a lot. Suffice it to say that I don't see the costs outweighing the benefits when it comes to TO, for the reasons that I already posted. I also think that we disagree over how productive he would be here next year.

So, tell me again how T.O. benefited the Bills.?
How is it that he helped their receivers become better?
If that's true, why is it that they got rid of him?

A player who's 37 years old with a bad turf toe. You guys must not know what old age does to you and how much slower things heal. Worse of all how the same condition comes back real quick if not properly healed.

So, it's also very possible that after a few games, he becomes a bench warmer.

I know about getting old and all the aches and pains that never seems to go away! They just get worse!

Originally posted by Kauaiguy:
So, tell me again how T.O. benefited the Bills.?
How is it that he helped their receivers become better?
If that's true, why is it that they got rid of him?

A player who's 37 years old with a bad turf toe. You guys must not know what old age does to you and how much slower things heal. Worse of all how the same condition comes back real quick if not properly healed.

So, it's also very possible that after a few games, he becomes a bench warmer.

I know about getting old and all the aches and pains that never seems to go away! They just get worse!

He was the best receiver, actually the best offensive player the Bills had last year. And no one knows the real reason the Bills decided to move on and not re-sign TO, could be an age thing, it could be a numbers thing, I don't know, I'm speculating, but neither does anyone else.