Roethlisberger accused of sexual assault (suspended 6 games)

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I agree. and besides, there's a difference between "not having evidence" to go to court and "not doing anything wrong." Anyone who has actually paid attention to the details of this case can easily put together that whatever happened that night, it was wrong. Even the DA has said that they prosecute crimes, not morals.

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:


You fools are crazy, you'd be saying the exact opposite if this was Patrick Willis.

Willis would never be that stupid

He doesn't have to be.

He just has to be at a bar, and then someone can say anything they want about him, and you all will say he should be suspended, whether it's true or not.

first of all, this isn't what happened with Roethlisberger at all.

Second of all, obviously a lot depends on the circumstances, but if Willis were accused of rape I would have a hard time rooting for him. If he were accused TWICE, I wouldn't think twice about it, I would no longer be a fan, and would want him off the team--which is exactly what a lot of Steelers fans are saying right now.

How do you know that isn't what happened? Nobody knows, it's all he-said, she-said. Which is why I don't think he should be suspended.

And I would still root for Willis after he was NOT charged for rape, and so should you.

I hope we get Roethlisberger in a trade, chaaampionship.

O.J. was innocent.

I'm so exhausted from arguing, I'm mocking my own argument.

Goodnight.

I thought that's what you were doing all along?

But that was actually funny lol

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

again:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

Well SD at least you know he did absolutely nothing wrong.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

again:

Let's review again for those who haven't read the stories.

1) No arrest made.
2) No charges filed.
3) No trial ever took place.
4) No conviction was ever obtained.

He did nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with having a few beers in the offseason.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

again:

Originally posted by danimal:

Well SD at least you know he did absolutely nothing wrong.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

again:

Let's review again for those who haven't read the stories.

1) No arrest made.
2) No charges filed.
3) No trial ever took place.
4) No conviction was ever obtained.

He did nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with having a few beers in the offseason.

Finally, someone who agrees with me.

He did nothing legally wrong, and the only question is whether he did something morally wrong, which we also have no idea about.

Shouldn't even be an issue, there should be no suspension.

But I'm sure I'll get a bunch of from people who are somehow able to know what happened.

This is from Roger Goodell himself in an interview with Dan Patrick

DP: Has he violated the personal conduct policy?
RG: Yes, there has been a violation of that. The issue here is with respect to a pattern of behavior and bad judgments. You do not have to be convicted or even charged of a crime to be able to demonstrate that you've violated a personal conduct policy, and reflect poorly not only on themselves, but all of their teammates, every NFL player in the league, and everyone associated with the NFL. And that is what my concern is, and I have expressed that directly to Ben, obviously, and I will be making a decision as soon as I possibly can.

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He violated the NFLs personal conduct policy, that is what he will be suspended for not for rape allegations.

K seriously now im doen with this thread. f**k the Steelers and Ben raper

Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

again:

Let's review again for those who haven't read the stories.

1) No arrest made.
2) No charges filed.
3) No trial ever took place.
4) No conviction was ever obtained.

He did nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with having a few beers in the offseason.

Finally, someone who agrees with me.

He did nothing legally wrong, and the only question is whether he did something morally wrong, which we also have no idea about.

Shouldn't even be an issue, there should be no suspension.

But I'm sure I'll get a bunch of from people who are somehow able to know what happened.

Like these guys on the WZ who are arrogant and judgemental and know it all...

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

again:

Let's review again for those who haven't read the stories.

1) No arrest made.
2) No charges filed.
3) No trial ever took place.
4) No conviction was ever obtained.

He did nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with having a few beers in the offseason.

If you're only barometer for right and wrong is convictions, then, sure, you can be right. Congratulations. Want a cookie, a gold star? Maybe you want to be the first one out the door for recess? Whatever you want, its your special day! Hooray for San Diego!

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

again:

Let's review again for those who haven't read the stories.

1) No arrest made.
2) No charges filed.
3) No trial ever took place.
4) No conviction was ever obtained.

He did nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with having a few beers in the offseason.

If you're only barometer for right and wrong is convictions, then, sure, you can be right. Congratulations. Want a cookie, a gold star? Maybe you want to be the first one out the door for recess? Whatever you want, its your special day! Hooray for San Diego!

Your personal dislike of Big Ben means nothing. That's court of "public opinion" stuff and not useful in any way.

Originally posted by valrod33:
This is from Roger Goodell himself in an interview with Dan Patrick

DP: Has he violated the personal conduct policy?
RG: Yes, there has been a violation of that. The issue here is with respect to a pattern of behavior and bad judgments. You do not have to be convicted or even charged of a crime to be able to demonstrate that you've violated a personal conduct policy, and reflect poorly not only on themselves, but all of their teammates, every NFL player in the league, and everyone associated with the NFL. And that is what my concern is, and I have expressed that directly to Ben, obviously, and I will be making a decision as soon as I possibly can.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/107241/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0la4OHvUX
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He violated the NFLs personal conduct policy, that is what he will be suspended for not for rape allegations.

K seriously now im doen with this thread. f**k the Steelers and Ben raper

Ya, you don't have to be convicted of anything to violate the policy.

All you need is someone to make up something about you, and then we'll suspend you for it, even if it's not true!

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

again:

Let's review again for those who haven't read the stories.

1) No arrest made.
2) No charges filed.
3) No trial ever took place.
4) No conviction was ever obtained.

He did nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with having a few beers in the offseason.

well according to the above criteria there are millions of people who have never done anything wrong in their entire lives.

So we are a perfect species after all. Nice.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by danimal:
and Huck is defending him more than he is defending himself

I mean if Ben was just chillin, he would have made a public statement to that effect a long time ago.

Sometimes its what people don't say. Especially now that the investigation is over.

Even Ben is saying that he is willing to accept any penalty he may get from the NFL and the Steelers. He knows he did something wrong.

Why would he be willing to accept punishment for the NFL if he was just chillin at the bar and not doing anything

He didn't do anything wrong. But the court of public opionion has decided to punish him like you guys on the WZ. So he is just at the point of accept it and move forward. It's not an admission of doing something wrong. It's just the public and NFL leadership is stacked against him and he knows it and knows it will be difficult to keep fighting this.

Thats doesn't work for me. Homie is now 1 incident closer to perhaps never collecting another NFL check again. He would definitely fight this if he could.

He did do some degree of wrong. Basic laws of self preservation of your livelihood dictates that.

He and the NFL execs are not enemies, they have the same interests in this. If he really did nothing wrong the NFL would love to be able to not suspend him and state after their own investigations they find him to be blameless in the accusations.

I disagree. He can't fight it because he publics minds are already made up. He is just going along to rehabilitate his public image. His public image is what has taken a hit and that's what he is working on.

But again he did absolutely nothing wrong.

again:

Let's review again for those who haven't read the stories.

1) No arrest made.
2) No charges filed.
3) No trial ever took place.
4) No conviction was ever obtained.

He did nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with having a few beers in the offseason.

If you're only barometer for right and wrong is convictions, then, sure, you can be right. Congratulations. Want a cookie, a gold star? Maybe you want to be the first one out the door for recess? Whatever you want, its your special day! Hooray for San Diego!

Your personal dislike of Big Ben means nothing. That's court of "public opinion" stuff and not useful in any way.

I'm arguing two things: 1) that his actions merit suspension based on the PCP. and 2) that reading over the accounts of that night its pretty obvious that not only did he do something "wrong" but that he was able to get away with it because of shoddy police work and the laws in Georgia which define sexual assault differently than elsewhere.

And yes, I dislike Big Ben. I always have. f**k the Steelers and f**k him too, as valrod so eloquently put it earlier.