Roethlisberger accused of sexual assault (suspended 6 games)

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Psinex:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
If he did that to one of my girls, I'd have to hunt him down and kill him.

This guy belongs in jail.. I hope the Georgia DA reconsiders and takes him to trial and that Goodell suspends him for a year or two.

Conversely though if one of your friends banged a super drunk chick who later cried rape you'd probally side with him.

I have general rule in life. Girl gets drunk has sex and then cries rape I remain neutral because there's way too much gray area.

Whose to say she wasn't willing (albeit too drunk to make a sound decision) and only cried rape afterwards because her friends were telling her how wrong this was and she didn't want to look like a whore in front of them. Not to mention she really had no idea what happened.

This would be a slam dunk case if she showed signs of distress in her medical exam, but that wasn't the case so we're left with the gray area. I agree if he did that to my sister I'd probally kill him, but that's not saying he's guilty of rape.

If a woamn gets raped, she likely has some sort of wound, be it defensive, or internal. If none exists then it was consentual, and she just cried rape cause she doesn't want her parents/siblings/friends to see her for the easy piece of azz she is.

High profile people accused of crimes rarely get said charges dropped if there is anything at all there. They may win in court due to their money, but rarely do they avoid charges all togecther if there really was a crime commited.

The former highschool dork (cops in general) want nothing more than to bust "mr. always had all" down a peg or two.

While it may be imoral, it is not Ben responsibility to make sure ol girl controls her consumption. She's in a club as an adult and should know damn well what her limits are. If she pushes her limits and ends up doing something she normally wouldn't, then thats on her.

I garauntee we would see less of these accusations if the police investigated the complaint itself, and liars were prosecuted for slander. IMO unless under special circumstances, if a rape complaint is filed, someone should come out on the other end in legal trouble, be it him or her.

The Georgia DA said at the press conference that there the accuser had a laceration and bruising in the genital area.

Doctor also stated that everything was normal, and he could not definetily say that the bruising was from any kind of trauma or sexual assault.

The one thing I would say is I don't think she's guilty of any wrong doing here. Clearly she was taken advantage of. There's a line between consensual sex with a drunk chick and date rape.

when its consensual girls don't usually go looking for the first cop they can find to report a rape, and I highly doubt that--if she was so drunk that the cops are basically ignoring her statements-- she was cogent enough to come up with a nefarious plan to "gold dig" Roethlisgerger.

They do when their friends run up to them right afterwards and tell them how badly they were wronged. Do I tell them I'm a skank or do I just run with the date rape?
The truth is Ben did take advantage of her any way you look at it.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Psinex:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
If he did that to one of my girls, I'd have to hunt him down and kill him.

This guy belongs in jail.. I hope the Georgia DA reconsiders and takes him to trial and that Goodell suspends him for a year or two.

Conversely though if one of your friends banged a super drunk chick who later cried rape you'd probally side with him.

I have general rule in life. Girl gets drunk has sex and then cries rape I remain neutral because there's way too much gray area.

Whose to say she wasn't willing (albeit too drunk to make a sound decision) and only cried rape afterwards because her friends were telling her how wrong this was and she didn't want to look like a whore in front of them. Not to mention she really had no idea what happened.

This would be a slam dunk case if she showed signs of distress in her medical exam, but that wasn't the case so we're left with the gray area. I agree if he did that to my sister I'd probally kill him, but that's not saying he's guilty of rape.

If a woamn gets raped, she likely has some sort of wound, be it defensive, or internal. If none exists then it was consentual, and she just cried rape cause she doesn't want her parents/siblings/friends to see her for the easy piece of azz she is.

High profile people accused of crimes rarely get said charges dropped if there is anything at all there. They may win in court due to their money, but rarely do they avoid charges all togecther if there really was a crime commited.

The former highschool dork (cops in general) want nothing more than to bust "mr. always had all" down a peg or two.

While it may be imoral, it is not Ben responsibility to make sure ol girl controls her consumption. She's in a club as an adult and should know damn well what her limits are. If she pushes her limits and ends up doing something she normally wouldn't, then thats on her.

I garauntee we would see less of these accusations if the police investigated the complaint itself, and liars were prosecuted for slander. IMO unless under special circumstances, if a rape complaint is filed, someone should come out on the other end in legal trouble, be it him or her.

The Georgia DA said at the press conference that there the accuser had a laceration and bruising in the genital area.

Doctor also stated that everything was normal, and he could not definetily say that the bruising was from any kind of trauma or sexual assault.

The one thing I would say is I don't think she's guilty of any wrong doing here. Clearly she was taken advantage of. There's a line between consensual sex with a drunk chick and date rape.

when its consensual girls don't usually go looking for the first cop they can find to report a rape, and I highly doubt that--if she was so drunk that the cops are basically ignoring her statements-- she was cogent enough to come up with a nefarious plan to "gold dig" Roethlisgerger.

They do when their friends run up to them right afterwards and tell them how badly they were wronged. Do I tell them I'm a skank or do I just run with the date rape?
The truth is Ben did take advantage of her any way you look at it.

that's conjecture, but we agree on your second point for sure.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Psinex:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
If he did that to one of my girls, I'd have to hunt him down and kill him.

This guy belongs in jail.. I hope the Georgia DA reconsiders and takes him to trial and that Goodell suspends him for a year or two.

Conversely though if one of your friends banged a super drunk chick who later cried rape you'd probally side with him.

I have general rule in life. Girl gets drunk has sex and then cries rape I remain neutral because there's way too much gray area.

Whose to say she wasn't willing (albeit too drunk to make a sound decision) and only cried rape afterwards because her friends were telling her how wrong this was and she didn't want to look like a whore in front of them. Not to mention she really had no idea what happened.

This would be a slam dunk case if she showed signs of distress in her medical exam, but that wasn't the case so we're left with the gray area. I agree if he did that to my sister I'd probally kill him, but that's not saying he's guilty of rape.

If a woamn gets raped, she likely has some sort of wound, be it defensive, or internal. If none exists then it was consentual, and she just cried rape cause she doesn't want her parents/siblings/friends to see her for the easy piece of azz she is.

High profile people accused of crimes rarely get said charges dropped if there is anything at all there. They may win in court due to their money, but rarely do they avoid charges all togecther if there really was a crime commited.

The former highschool dork (cops in general) want nothing more than to bust "mr. always had all" down a peg or two.

While it may be imoral, it is not Ben responsibility to make sure ol girl controls her consumption. She's in a club as an adult and should know damn well what her limits are. If she pushes her limits and ends up doing something she normally wouldn't, then thats on her.

I garauntee we would see less of these accusations if the police investigated the complaint itself, and liars were prosecuted for slander. IMO unless under special circumstances, if a rape complaint is filed, someone should come out on the other end in legal trouble, be it him or her.

The Georgia DA said at the press conference that there the accuser had a laceration and bruising in the genital area.

Doctor also stated that everything was normal, and he could not definetily say that the bruising was from any kind of trauma or sexual assault.

The one thing I would say is I don't think she's guilty of any wrong doing here. Clearly she was taken advantage of. There's a line between consensual sex with a drunk chick and date rape.

when its consensual girls don't usually go looking for the first cop they can find to report a rape, and I highly doubt that--if she was so drunk that the cops are basically ignoring her statements-- she was cogent enough to come up with a nefarious plan to "gold dig" Roethlisgerger.

They do when their friends run up to them right afterwards and tell them how badly they were wronged. Do I tell them I'm a skank or do I just run with the date rape?
The truth is Ben did take advantage of her any way you look at it.

that's conjecture, but we agree on your second point for sure.

I too agree he did take advantage, but I also believe that he didn't "force" her either.

As I said previously, if a girl wants to get soooo drunk that she has little to no control, then thats HER issue, and maybe a guy shouldn't take advantage, morally speaking, but to do so is nowhere near rape. If she doesn't say no, or take an action to stop the sex, then she has no complaint imo.

Personally, I think girls that get THAT drunk do so on purpose so they can excuse behavior that will be frowned upon by their friends and family. Always seems that they can NEVER remember what happened the night before. That has NEVER happened to me, and I damn near died of achohol poisoning from being soooooooo drunk, yet remember every detail.

As I said, we would see a significant decrease in these accusations if the law would prosecute women likely to have filed a complaint knowing they weren't raped.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by HessianDud:


that's conjecture, but we agree on your second point for sure.

I too agree he did take advantage, but I also believe that he didn't "force" her either.

As I said previously, if a girl wants to get soooo drunk that she has little to no control, then thats HER issue, and maybe a guy shouldn't take advantage, morally speaking, but to do so is nowhere near rape. If she doesn't say no, or take an action to stop the sex, then she has no complaint imo.

Personally, I think girls that get THAT drunk do so on purpose so they can excuse behavior that will be frowned upon by their friends and family. Always seems that they can NEVER remember what happened the night before. That has NEVER happened to me, and I damn near died of achohol poisoning from being soooooooo drunk, yet remember every detail.

As I said, we would see a significant decrease in these accusations if the law would prosecute women likely to have filed a complaint knowing they weren't raped.

She says she said no.

Taking advantage of someone sexually IS sexual assault.

Just because you get hammered doesn't mean you waive any of your rights or responsibilities. If you commit a crime while drunk, you committed a crime. If a crime is committed against you while you're drunk, a crime was committed against you.

Alcohol affects different people differently and people get drunk for various reasons. Just because you've never blacked out, doesn't mean other people don't. And just because you think you remember everything that happened, doesn't mean you do.

People complaining to the Steelers organization will mess up Bens' chances of walking away scott free.

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
People complaining to the Steelers organization will mess up Bens' chances of walking away scott free.

I wonder what the reaction has been like in Pittsburgh.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Psinex:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
If he did that to one of my girls, I'd have to hunt him down and kill him.

This guy belongs in jail.. I hope the Georgia DA reconsiders and takes him to trial and that Goodell suspends him for a year or two.

Conversely though if one of your friends banged a super drunk chick who later cried rape you'd probally side with him.

I have general rule in life. Girl gets drunk has sex and then cries rape I remain neutral because there's way too much gray area.

Whose to say she wasn't willing (albeit too drunk to make a sound decision) and only cried rape afterwards because her friends were telling her how wrong this was and she didn't want to look like a whore in front of them. Not to mention she really had no idea what happened.

This would be a slam dunk case if she showed signs of distress in her medical exam, but that wasn't the case so we're left with the gray area. I agree if he did that to my sister I'd probally kill him, but that's not saying he's guilty of rape.

If a woamn gets raped, she likely has some sort of wound, be it defensive, or internal. If none exists then it was consentual, and she just cried rape cause she doesn't want her parents/siblings/friends to see her for the easy piece of azz she is.

High profile people accused of crimes rarely get said charges dropped if there is anything at all there. They may win in court due to their money, but rarely do they avoid charges all togecther if there really was a crime commited.

The former highschool dork (cops in general) want nothing more than to bust "mr. always had all" down a peg or two.

While it may be imoral, it is not Ben responsibility to make sure ol girl controls her consumption. She's in a club as an adult and should know damn well what her limits are. If she pushes her limits and ends up doing something she normally wouldn't, then thats on her.

I garauntee we would see less of these accusations if the police investigated the complaint itself, and liars were prosecuted for slander. IMO unless under special circumstances, if a rape complaint is filed, someone should come out on the other end in legal trouble, be it him or her.

The Georgia DA said at the press conference that there the accuser had a laceration and bruising in the genital area.

Doctor also stated that everything was normal, and he could not definetily say that the bruising was from any kind of trauma or sexual assault.

The one thing I would say is I don't think she's guilty of any wrong doing here. Clearly she was taken advantage of. There's a line between consensual sex with a drunk chick and date rape.

when its consensual girls don't usually go looking for the first cop they can find to report a rape, and I highly doubt that--if she was so drunk that the cops are basically ignoring her statements-- she was cogent enough to come up with a nefarious plan to "gold dig" Roethlisgerger.

They do when their friends run up to them right afterwards and tell them how badly they were wronged. Do I tell them I'm a skank or do I just run with the date rape?
The truth is Ben did take advantage of her any way you look at it.

that's conjecture, but we agree on your second point for sure.

Yes it's conjecture but if you connect the dots it's the most likely scenario. We know her friends were questioning the security guards during the act, and we know her friends thought she was being wronged during the act.

I agree with your other post that taken advantage of a drunk chick can still be rape, but it is a very gray area right there.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Psinex:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
If he did that to one of my girls, I'd have to hunt him down and kill him.

This guy belongs in jail.. I hope the Georgia DA reconsiders and takes him to trial and that Goodell suspends him for a year or two.

Conversely though if one of your friends banged a super drunk chick who later cried rape you'd probally side with him.

I have general rule in life. Girl gets drunk has sex and then cries rape I remain neutral because there's way too much gray area.

Whose to say she wasn't willing (albeit too drunk to make a sound decision) and only cried rape afterwards because her friends were telling her how wrong this was and she didn't want to look like a whore in front of them. Not to mention she really had no idea what happened.

This would be a slam dunk case if she showed signs of distress in her medical exam, but that wasn't the case so we're left with the gray area. I agree if he did that to my sister I'd probally kill him, but that's not saying he's guilty of rape.

If a woamn gets raped, she likely has some sort of wound, be it defensive, or internal. If none exists then it was consentual, and she just cried rape cause she doesn't want her parents/siblings/friends to see her for the easy piece of azz she is.

High profile people accused of crimes rarely get said charges dropped if there is anything at all there. They may win in court due to their money, but rarely do they avoid charges all togecther if there really was a crime commited.

The former highschool dork (cops in general) want nothing more than to bust "mr. always had all" down a peg or two.

While it may be imoral, it is not Ben responsibility to make sure ol girl controls her consumption. She's in a club as an adult and should know damn well what her limits are. If she pushes her limits and ends up doing something she normally wouldn't, then thats on her.

I garauntee we would see less of these accusations if the police investigated the complaint itself, and liars were prosecuted for slander. IMO unless under special circumstances, if a rape complaint is filed, someone should come out on the other end in legal trouble, be it him or her.

The Georgia DA said at the press conference that there the accuser had a laceration and bruising in the genital area.

Doctor also stated that everything was normal, and he could not definetily say that the bruising was from any kind of trauma or sexual assault.

The one thing I would say is I don't think she's guilty of any wrong doing here. Clearly she was taken advantage of. There's a line between consensual sex with a drunk chick and date rape.

when its consensual girls don't usually go looking for the first cop they can find to report a rape, and I highly doubt that--if she was so drunk that the cops are basically ignoring her statements-- she was cogent enough to come up with a nefarious plan to "gold dig" Roethlisgerger.

They do when their friends run up to them right afterwards and tell them how badly they were wronged. Do I tell them I'm a skank or do I just run with the date rape?
The truth is Ben did take advantage of her any way you look at it.

that's conjecture, but we agree on your second point for sure.

Yes it's conjecture but if you connect the dots it's the most likely scenario. We know her friends were questioning the security guards during the act, and we know her friends thought she was being wronged during the act.

I agree with your other post that taken advantage of a drunk chick can still be rape, but it is a very gray area right there.

Yes, her friends thought she was being wronged, and when the girl was finally allowed to leave she acted in a way (going to find a cop) that seems to suggest that she thought so too. I'm not sure what you're point is.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Psinex:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
If he did that to one of my girls, I'd have to hunt him down and kill him.

This guy belongs in jail.. I hope the Georgia DA reconsiders and takes him to trial and that Goodell suspends him for a year or two.

Conversely though if one of your friends banged a super drunk chick who later cried rape you'd probally side with him.

I have general rule in life. Girl gets drunk has sex and then cries rape I remain neutral because there's way too much gray area.

Whose to say she wasn't willing (albeit too drunk to make a sound decision) and only cried rape afterwards because her friends were telling her how wrong this was and she didn't want to look like a whore in front of them. Not to mention she really had no idea what happened.

This would be a slam dunk case if she showed signs of distress in her medical exam, but that wasn't the case so we're left with the gray area. I agree if he did that to my sister I'd probally kill him, but that's not saying he's guilty of rape.

If a woamn gets raped, she likely has some sort of wound, be it defensive, or internal. If none exists then it was consentual, and she just cried rape cause she doesn't want her parents/siblings/friends to see her for the easy piece of azz she is.

High profile people accused of crimes rarely get said charges dropped if there is anything at all there. They may win in court due to their money, but rarely do they avoid charges all togecther if there really was a crime commited.

The former highschool dork (cops in general) want nothing more than to bust "mr. always had all" down a peg or two.

While it may be imoral, it is not Ben responsibility to make sure ol girl controls her consumption. She's in a club as an adult and should know damn well what her limits are. If she pushes her limits and ends up doing something she normally wouldn't, then thats on her.

I garauntee we would see less of these accusations if the police investigated the complaint itself, and liars were prosecuted for slander. IMO unless under special circumstances, if a rape complaint is filed, someone should come out on the other end in legal trouble, be it him or her.

The Georgia DA said at the press conference that there the accuser had a laceration and bruising in the genital area.

Doctor also stated that everything was normal, and he could not definetily say that the bruising was from any kind of trauma or sexual assault.

The one thing I would say is I don't think she's guilty of any wrong doing here. Clearly she was taken advantage of. There's a line between consensual sex with a drunk chick and date rape.

when its consensual girls don't usually go looking for the first cop they can find to report a rape, and I highly doubt that--if she was so drunk that the cops are basically ignoring her statements-- she was cogent enough to come up with a nefarious plan to "gold dig" Roethlisgerger.

They do when their friends run up to them right afterwards and tell them how badly they were wronged. Do I tell them I'm a skank or do I just run with the date rape?
The truth is Ben did take advantage of her any way you look at it.

that's conjecture, but we agree on your second point for sure.

Yes it's conjecture but if you connect the dots it's the most likely scenario. We know her friends were questioning the security guards during the act, and we know her friends thought she was being wronged during the act.

I agree with your other post that taken advantage of a drunk chick can still be rape, but it is a very gray area right there.

Yes, her friends thought she was being wronged, and when the girl was finally allowed to leave she acted in a way (going to find a cop) that seems to suggest that she thought so too. I'm not sure what you're point is.

My point is her friends got to her first. I don't think she accurately knows what happened.

I agree Big Ben took advantage of her but that doesn't mean he sexually assaulted her. If there's signs of distress this is a slam dunk case. But there wasn't so you can't rule out that she might have been game at some point during this incident.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by HessianDud:


that's conjecture, but we agree on your second point for sure.

I too agree he did take advantage, but I also believe that he didn't "force" her either.

As I said previously, if a girl wants to get soooo drunk that she has little to no control, then thats HER issue, and maybe a guy shouldn't take advantage, morally speaking, but to do so is nowhere near rape. If she doesn't say no, or take an action to stop the sex, then she has no complaint imo.

Personally, I think girls that get THAT drunk do so on purpose so they can excuse behavior that will be frowned upon by their friends and family. Always seems that they can NEVER remember what happened the night before. That has NEVER happened to me, and I damn near died of achohol poisoning from being soooooooo drunk, yet remember every detail.

As I said, we would see a significant decrease in these accusations if the law would prosecute women likely to have filed a complaint knowing they weren't raped.

She says she said no.

Taking advantage of someone sexually IS sexual assault.

Just because you get hammered doesn't mean you waive any of your rights or responsibilities. If you commit a crime while drunk, you committed a crime. If a crime is committed against you while you're drunk, a crime was committed against you.

Alcohol affects different people differently and people get drunk for various reasons. Just because you've never blacked out, doesn't mean other people don't. And just because you think you remember everything that happened, doesn't mean you do.

She claims she said no, but funny how nobody else heard that. One would think if a girl is being raped that she should be loud enough for one of those concerned friends to hear just the other side of a locked bathroom door.

She got slutty and then embarresed when her friends looked at her like a tramp. They were so shocked by her behavior that they assumed she had been violated some how and she was sooo ashamed of her loose legs that she went along with it.

I don't believe it for a second. Funny how all these accusations come to light when the guy is a professional and has tons of cash, but the girls never had a problem with Ben when he was a college superstar with little to no $$.

I'm siding with Big Ben until he gets charged.

I don't care i he's a douche since I don't know him personally, but he's not a rapist until he gets charged at the very least.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by HessianDud:


Yes, her friends thought she was being wronged, and when the girl was finally allowed to leave she acted in a way (going to find a cop) that seems to suggest that she thought so too. I'm not sure what you're point is.

My point is her friends got to her first. I don't think she accurately knows what happened.

I agree Big Ben took advantage of her but that doesn't mean he sexually assaulted her. If there's signs of distress this is a slam dunk case. But there wasn't so you can't rule out that she might have been game at some point during this incident.

why do you assume immediately that her friends can't be trusted, that their motivations are insincere, and that they're understanding of the situation is less than your own?

Taking advantage of someone implies knowingly capitalizing on someone's mistake. If Big Ben used her drunkenness to his advantage, knowing that she might not have otherwise consented, that's sexual assault.

Having sex with someone who is drunk is not sexual assault.

It's classless, but it's not assault.

Originally posted by WINiner:

She claims she said no, but funny how nobody else heard that. One would think if a girl is being raped that she should be loud enough for one of those concerned friends to hear just the other side of a locked bathroom door.

From the statements we have, it seems pretty obvious that not only did the friends believe she was being raped, they were prevented from intervening, and were told by the bartender that "Ben's a professional athlete. He wouldn't do anything to ruin his reputation."

Originally posted by WINiner:

She got slutty and then embarresed when her friends looked at her like a tramp. They were so shocked by her behavior that they assumed she had been violated some how and she was sooo ashamed of her loose legs that she went along with it.

Obviously, completely conjecture, and revolting.

Originally posted by WINiner:

I don't believe it for a second. Funny how all these accusations come to light when the guy is a professional and has tons of cash, but the girls never had a problem with Ben when he was a college superstar with little to no $$.

Maybe he wasn't raping women when he was in college? Maybe he only started taking advantage of people after being raised to a national pedestal with millions of dollars in his pocket?

Originally posted by crzy:
I'm siding with Big Ben until he gets charged.

I don't care i he's a douche since I don't know him personally, but he's not a rapist until he gets charged at the very least.

Let's review again for the slow readers. Here are the facts.

1) Police and prosecuters investigated for weeks at a time interviewing volumes of witnesses.

2) No arrest was ever made.

3) No charges were ever filed.

4) No trial ever took place.

5) No conviction was ever obtained.

So it's nothing at all. That's the bottom line. These guys want to make something out of it when it's nothing.

And the "they let a super star athlete get away with it" blabber is rediculous bunk. Both Police and Prosecutors would love to convict Ben of anything even if they weren't sure. Careers would be made, promotions would be handed out, they would get $3 Million book deals and they would hang it on their wall like a badge of courage for the rest of their life. It would make their career and reputation forever. If anything they want him to be guilty even if he is not. Yet they investigated and tried to find something and couldn't come up with anything at all.