Originally posted by bigpete50:
Jeez! Sorry I created a monster by starting all the Jeantry talk LOL…
Ok, back on topic. Who do u think we end of taking? I think Niners are weighing pros and cons on Walter Nolen. Is he the next Jalen Carter? Do they play it safe and reach slightly for Harmon?
Shemar Stewart unfortunately
And when Stewart turns into a Danielle Hunter like edge rusher for us in our scheme will that still be unfortunate?
Not sure if he'll be our pick but if you want to feel better about him, go look up his play in the Senior Bowl. If we didn't have that I'd be super weary of drafting him.
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Originally posted by bigpete50:
Jeez! Sorry I created a monster by starting all the Jeantry talk LOL…
Ok, back on topic. Who do u think we end of taking? I think Niners are weighing pros and cons on Walter Nolen. Is he the next Jalen Carter? Do they play it safe and reach slightly for Harmon?
Shemar Stewart unfortunately
And when Stewart turns into a Danielle Hunter like edge rusher for us in our scheme will that still be unfortunate?
Not sure if he'll be our pick but if you want to feel better about him, go look up his play in the Senior Bowl. If we didn't have that I'd be super weary of drafting him.
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
And how was Mason's receiving, route running and pass pro? He is nothing more than a two down thumper.
You talk about replaceable backs and Mason is exactly that. He is a dime a dozen RB.
You act like Jeanty wouldn't see the field over CMC. Who is soon to be 29 years old, coming off injuries to both his Achilles and a torn knee. I love the guy and he is as dynamic as it gets but his days as a workhorse back are over no matter what we are paying him.
That was yet another mistake re-doing his contract just like it was a mistake extending Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiuyk. The old saying of getting rid of a player a year too early instead of a year too late doesn't apply to John Lynch apparently and now we are paying the price.
Of course we don't NEED a RB like Jeanty. We don't NEED a RB like CMC either but you have to admit that our offense is on another level with a dual threat, true 3 down back.
And we are right back to where we started, if a dime a dozen back is near the top of the league in rushing before injury then why are you spending a premium draft pick on one. Round and round we go!!!
Imagine the holes we would need to fill if we didnt extend Trent, CMC and Aiyuk. My god we complain about the holes we need to fill now imagine 3 more holes to the list. __PRESENT
Originally posted by NYniner85:
First off yes, he would be a backup because he's not gonna play over CMC and his contract. If anything it's splitting carries, which lessens his value even more.
we didn't NEED a guy like Mason to be in AJ's stratosphere to produce on the ground. SF was 6th overall in yards per carry last yr and that's without our OPOY RB.
FYI Mason avg 93 ypg last yr when he got 9 or more carries. He was 8th overall in the league in YPCX Acting like that s**t isn't good is silly. UDFA and Bobby Tuner strike again
And how was Mason's receiving, route running and pass pro? He is nothing more than a two down thumper.
You talk about replaceable backs and Mason is exactly that. He is a dime a dozen RB.
You act like Jeanty wouldn't see the field over CMC. Who is soon to be 29 years old, coming off injuries to both his Achilles and a torn knee. I love the guy and he is as dynamic as it gets but his days as a workhorse back are over no matter what we are paying him.
That was yet another mistake re-doing his contract just like it was a mistake extending Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiuyk. The old saying of getting rid of a player a year too early instead of a year too late doesn't apply to John Lynch apparently and now we are paying the price.
Of course we don't NEED a RB like Jeanty. We don't NEED a RB like CMC either but you have to admit that our offense is on another level with a dual threat, true 3 down back.
Put it this way...I'm very much no early(if any) RB given our roster guy.
However if we cannot trade down then seeing the 49ers select Jeanty wouldn't upset me. Of course IF we make that move I fully expect Kyle to stop treating CMC is the only RB on the roster. He's an amazing player and offers a ton schematically but if we make this move I would expect Kyle to be all in to basically platooning these guys because as NY pointed out the cost factor is substantial here.
There is really no questioning Jeanty's accomplishments and his talent, his off the field stuff is TOP NOTCH. You'd love to have a guy like this on your team.
It's simply what's best for the team to improve. Do we look at the pick as "we have to do everything we can to add a talented player onto the squad regardless of position/need" then Jeanty would be the slam dunk guy. We select him and the only thing standing in the way is the same thing for every player - injuries.
Talent/mental makeup the kid is a stud. He makes us better. He just doesn't make us as better as a hit at DL/OL or even other positions where we don't have a CMC.
Long story short - I wouldn't hate the pick but I would rather we go in another direction.
Originally posted by bigpete50:
Jeez! Sorry I created a monster by starting all the Jeantry talk LOL…
Ok, back on topic. Who do u think we end of taking? I think Niners are weighing pros and cons on Walter Nolen. Is he the next Jalen Carter? Do they play it safe and reach slightly for Harmon?
Shemar Stewart unfortunately
And when Stewart turns into a Danielle Hunter like edge rusher for us in our scheme will that still be unfortunate?
Not sure if he'll be our pick but if you want to feel better about him, go look up his play in the Senior Bowl. If we didn't have that I'd be super weary of drafting him.
Im an Aggie fan. I watched enough of him.
Then you should know your scheme is holding him back.
Originally posted by genus49:
And when Stewart turns into a Danielle Hunter like edge rusher for us in our scheme will that still be unfortunate?
Not sure if he'll be our pick but if you want to feel better about him, go look up his play in the Senior Bowl. If we didn't have that I'd be super weary of drafting him.
The stuff I've read about him is very positive and he wasnt in a system that took advantage of his pass rush ability - although he was very effective.
hes an intriguing prospect for sure. I wouldn't be mad if we took him.
Originally posted by krizay:
Im an Aggie fan. I watched enough of him.
What are your thoughts on Scourton, Turner, and Nolen? 4 guys who never really produced but are expected to go early on. Well maybe not Turner but he's a mid round pick for sure. WTF is Texas A&M doing?
Originally posted by miked1978:
What are your thoughts on Scourton, Turner, and Nolen? 4 guys who never really produced but are expected to go early on. Well maybe not Turner but he's a mid round pick for sure. WTF is Texas A&M doing?
I'm not going to pretend to be some DL guru. I also didn't watch the games to evaluate. All I can say is Nolen popped on screen every game. Was constantly making plays. Even without the high sack totals. He popped. Obviously before his transfer.
Scourton didn't really do that for me. Turner did have moments last year and some this year(few and far between though). I would not be opposed to Turner in the mid rounds.
Would have been nice to know how they both would faired next to Nolen.
Originally posted by bzborow1:
If there are no trades then I would imagine the Raiders and Bears would be sniffing around AJ, with the Cowboys probably looking at moving up if he falls. If I am pretending to think like the 49ers, their M.O. has been drafting a middle round RB every draft so I wouldn't expect that to change here. They have traditionally focused on defensive line in round 1, although they also took McGlinchey so there's that. We know they like trenches in round 1. With that in mind, I would rank them:
OTs
- Campbell, Membou, Banks, Simmons
I don't think you'll use a round 1 selection on a guy who i'd consider primarily a plug defender. You'd want a pass rushing 3 tech or an edge rusher:
DTs
- Graham, Nolen, Harmon
Edge
- Carter, Green, Walker, Stewart
Given the 49ers have a serviceable offensive line, assuming Trent Williams is back, then I would favour Walker and Green. If Williams is going to retire then you are forced into taking the best available OT.
I could see the 49ers jumping to 7 to grab one of these guys if they fall.
Mykel Williams is growing on me. Dane comped him to Jason Pierre-Paul…but I think he's a much better run defender coming into the league.
top 10 recruit in the country and heading into the 2024 season he was looked at as a top 5 pick. Dealt with an ankle injury all yr.
overall I'm not sure if he's gonna be there, but the more I watch the more I could see Coach K and Saleh loving this kid. I would take him over Stewart if the plan is EDGE
Exactly what happened to me. I started praising him more a couple of weeks ago once I started watching his film myself and complementing that with draft analyst's takes I respect. I think there is a lot to like there with this guy and his skillset fits exactly what this defensive scheme wants from its 4-3 end.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
First off yes, he would be a backup because he's not gonna play over CMC and his contract. If anything it's splitting carries, which lessens his value even more.
we didn't NEED a guy like Mason to be in AJ's stratosphere to produce on the ground. SF was 6th overall in yards per carry last yr and that's without our OPOY RB.
FYI Mason avg 93 ypg last yr when he got 9 or more carries. He was 8th overall in the league in YPCX Acting like that s**t isn't good is silly. UDFA and Bobby Tuner strike again
And how was Mason's receiving, route running and pass pro? He is nothing more than a two down thumper.
You talk about replaceable backs and Mason is exactly that. He is a dime a dozen RB.
You act like Jeanty wouldn't see the field over CMC. Who is soon to be 29 years old, coming off injuries to both his Achilles and a torn knee. I love the guy and he is as dynamic as it gets but his days as a workhorse back are over no matter what we are paying him.
That was yet another mistake re-doing his contract just like it was a mistake extending Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiuyk. The old saying of getting rid of a player a year too early instead of a year too late doesn't apply to John Lynch apparently and now we are paying the price.
Of course we don't NEED a RB like Jeanty. We don't NEED a RB like CMC either but you have to admit that our offense is on another level with a dual threat, true 3 down back.
Put it this way...I'm very much no early(if any) RB given our roster guy.
However if we cannot trade down then seeing the 49ers select Jeanty wouldn't upset me. Of course IF we make that move I fully expect Kyle to stop treating CMC is the only RB on the roster. He's an amazing player and offers a ton schematically but if we make this move I would expect Kyle to be all in to basically platooning these guys because as NY pointed out the cost factor is substantial here.
There is really no questioning Jeanty's accomplishments and his talent, his off the field stuff is TOP NOTCH. You'd love to have a guy like this on your team.
It's simply what's best for the team to improve. Do we look at the pick as "we have to do everything we can to add a talented player onto the squad regardless of position/need" then Jeanty would be the slam dunk guy. We select him and the only thing standing in the way is the same thing for every player - injuries.
Talent/mental makeup the kid is a stud. He makes us better. He just doesn't make us as better as a hit at DL/OL or even other positions where we don't have a CMC.
Long story short - I wouldn't hate the pick but I would rather we go in another direction.
That's exactly where I'm at too. I don't want us to draft a RB but guys like Jeanty don't come around very often.
I agree. Most RBs are a dime a dozen and can be found later. Absolutely. But not RB's like Jeanty and we have seen the difference with our offence with a true 3 down back and how dominant it is.
If he is available, which is unlikely, I wouldn't hate the pick as compared to reaching on a position where there isn't much difference at 1.11 or later on in the draft.
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
And how was Mason's receiving, route running and pass pro? He is nothing more than a two down thumper.
You talk about replaceable backs and Mason is exactly that. He is a dime a dozen RB.
You act like Jeanty wouldn't see the field over CMC. Who is soon to be 29 years old, coming off injuries to both his Achilles and a torn knee. I love the guy and he is as dynamic as it gets but his days as a workhorse back are over no matter what we are paying him.
That was yet another mistake re-doing his contract just like it was a mistake extending Trent Williams, Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiuyk. The old saying of getting rid of a player a year too early instead of a year too late doesn't apply to John Lynch apparently and now we are paying the price.
Of course we don't NEED a RB like Jeanty. We don't NEED a RB like CMC either but you have to admit that our offense is on another level with a dual threat, true 3 down back.
And we are right back to where we started, if a dime a dozen back is near the top of the league in rushing before injury then why are you spending a premium draft pick on one. Round and round we go!!!
Imagine the holes we would need to fill if we didnt extend Trent, CMC and Aiyuk. My god we complain about the holes we need to fill now imagine 3 more holes to the list. __PRESENT
Yes, he ran well but he also only had 11 catches and was not strong in pass pro. And didn't hold up for all 17 games. Imagine a RB like Jeanty who is better in every single aspect by quite a large margin over Mason. If Mason ran so well how many more yards would Jeanty have? Why settle for average at the RB position? Jeanty is a rare RB. He's a monster.
The thing that really makes this offense tick is having a back that the D doesn't know if we are going to run or pass. With Mason in, defenses didn't have to respect him as a receiver.
Interchangeable players as Shanahan has stated.
With guys like CMC and Jeanty, Shanahan would have a field day calling plays. Our offense was really unstoppable with a healthy CMC. Add in Deebo and the D didn't know what was coming.
Jeanty would replace Deebo and be 10X more effective and imagine him and CMC in the backfield together or CMC split wide with a LB covering him? I think Jeanty could run for 1500 and CMC could catch 100 balls.
Again, I want us to upgrade the D. I have us taking a DT like Harmon in all my mocks but if Jeanty was available I'd understand the pick and wouldn't be upset. Take the best player available instead of reaching on a guy at 11 to fill a need. That never works out.
[ Edited by Sask49erFan on Apr 16, 2025 at 2:13 PM ]
Again, players like Jeanty don't come around very often. There are reasons why he is being compared to Ladanian Tomlinson.
If Shanahan could invent a RB, Jeanty would be it.
Passing on a guy like this for an average OT or a good but not great DT would be foolish.
"SCOUTING REPORT: SUMMARY:
Jeanty's film study reveals a generational talent with a skill set that transcends traditional running back archetypes. His rare fusion of elite vision, otherworldly contact balance, and explosive playmaking ability positions him as the most complete backfield prospect in recent memory. In zone schemes, Jeanty's anticipation and acceleration will leave linebackers grasping at air, while his decisive cuts and power in gap schemes project to shred even the most disciplined NFL fronts.
Beyond his rushing prowess, Jeanty's receiving acumen elevates him to a true offensive weapon status. His natural hands and route-running potential suggest a player who could legitimately line up at receiver in certain packages. Coupled with his advanced pass protection skills, Jeanty profiles as the quintessential modern three-down back, capable of staying on the field in any situation and keeping defenses guessing.
Jeanty stands out as a transformative talent, the kind that comes along once in a decade. His potential to immediately step in as a focal point of an NFL offense cannot be overstated. Teams picking in the top 5 will be hard-pressed to pass on a player of Jeanty's caliber, regardless of positional value arguments. He has the tools to not only contend for Offensive Rookie of the Year but to quickly establish himself among the NFL's elite playmakers."
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Yes, he ran well but he also only had 11 catches and was not strong in pass pro. And didn't hold up for all 17 games. Imagine a RB like Jeanty who is better in every single aspect by quite a large margin over Mason. If Mason ran so well how many more yards would Jeanty have? Why settle for average at the RB position? Jeanty is a rare RB. He's a monster.
The thing that really makes this offense tick is having a back that the D doesn't know if we are going to run or pass. With Mason in, defenses didn't have to respect him as a receiver.
Interchangeable players as Shanahan has stated.
With guys like CMC and Jeanty, Shanahan would have a field day calling plays. Our offense was really unstoppable with a healthy CMC. Add in Deebo and the D didn't know what was coming.
Jeanty would replace Deebo and be 10X more effective and imagine him and CMC in the backfield together or CMC split wide with a LB covering him? I think Jeanty could run for 1500 and CMC could catch 100 balls.
Again, I want us to upgrade the D. I have us taking a DT like Harmon in all my mocks but if Jeanty was available I'd understand the pick and wouldn't be upset. Take the best player available instead of reaching on a guy at 11 to fill a need. That never works out.
These guys turn FGs into TDs. The question is if you pass on said player is the guy you draft going to turn TDs into FGs.