With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
But wait for it….they STILL have that dominant back and he's signed here thru 2027 😱

oh and this is one of the deepest RB draft classes in a decade.

As I've posted here before( though not directly to you) drafting Jeanty would depend on how you feel about CMC. You clearly think he can still be that all pro back. I do not.

From everything I've read he's 100% and his injury is more related to lack of proper recovery and having to change his workouts. I see no reason as to why his play will just s**t the bed as long as he can play…

but you know that's the life of a RB and why I won't invest top picks or massive amounts of money there. I think AJ is super talented, I'm sure he gonna be a good RB…he's also coming into the league with 750 carries and has been beat to s**t before he even steps on the field.

My hesitation is that I believe Kyle feels the same way as you. Which would be a waste. If he bought in to Jeanty being 1A or even 1B this year I would lean Jeanty. Unfortunately, Kyle is going g to ride CMC until the wheels fall off. Which isn't going to end well for us

Whilst I give Kyle more credit that that, I do feel they'd rather reach for need and pray CMC stays healthy. Doesn't mean we have to like it or agree that's the best thing to do.

Be no different in praying that AJ stays healthy.

if SF didn't think CMC was fine they wouldn't have sent Mason to Minn.

we have the god father of finding elite level RBs for this scheme on Bobby Turner. Let him go find something that can add to this RB room.

That's probably the most ridiculous thing you've said in this discussion. 29 year old RB coming off a season where he started on the PUP and finished on IR, with a long injury history Vs a rocked up 21 year old stud who's never been injured and looks like he was built in a lab!

The Mason argument is also a fallacy, they already said they didn't want to pay what he was worth, so used the transition tag to get something out of it.

I'd rather draft an RB later, and I have about 3 prospects I'm fairly confident will be there who I'd draft over him. Just saying that if I'm going to pass I need someone in the same vicinity talent wise.

Here's the dilemma you two appear to be having.

1. You don't View CMC as still being an All Pro and NY does

2. You don't think Harmon is close to Jeanty's tier and NY I assume does.

You view those two players differently which will never allow your views to align on this topic.

No, the only view that isn't compatible is that you can completely throw talent out of the window in a draft. I do view CMC as an All Pro still, just only next year and maybe the year after. I hope we get someone lower in the draft to spell him a bit and keep him going longer. I have Skattebo, Harvey, Jones from Oregon, Smith from SMU and Tuten pegged in the 3rd or 4th for that.

I'm warming on Harmon, his game against Ohio St is awesome against very good competition, I've just got more to do being I'm happy with him. Nolen would get my pick if it wasn't for the character concerns.

I honestly think Graham has more chance of getting to us than Jeanty and he is at the top of my draft board. I also have Jalon Walker graded high enough to take over Jeanty. I'm there with Will Campbell as well. Just not anybody and everybody.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

I mean the eagles just won a SB based off their DL. The Giants won two based off their DL. Von miller single handily won the broncos a SB.

Rams won a Super Bowl with prime Donald, Floyd and Von miller. Their RB was Darrell Henderson….they did however lose a SB with a generational RB who actually compares to AJ in Todd Gurley. How long was he in the league? 6-7 yrs?

Preach.

The league may have changed but the two most important things in helping teams win SBs these days is

1. QB play
2. Guys who can make the QB play poorly.

Building up the DL is still the 2nd best approach to giving yourself a fighting chance these days.

Obviously this draft is super important to where the team goes in the future and you want to land the best players possible but I think we can all agree if we land a top flight DL, it's better for our team than an elite RB.

Of course flipside is an elite RB > mediocre DL.

So in the end key is bringing in the right player and hoping they put in the proper amount of work to get better and your coaches, scheme and other players put them in position to succeed on top of it.

So if we pass on Jeanty(assuming he's available) and draft someone like Shemart Stewart, Walter Nolen or Harmon and they end up developing into pro bowl level DLmen for us, even if Jeanty is an all pro/HOF type I feel like that's a win for us given our current roster.

Green should be the pick if the Niners came away from the two interviews feeling better about the accusations towards him. But again it comes down to whether or not they feel the accusations are true or false. If the Niners are even undecided on what he has been accused of he will be completely off their board.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

I mean the eagles just won a SB based off their DL. The Giants won two based off their DL. Von miller single handily won the broncos a SB.

Rams won a Super Bowl with prime Donald, Floyd and Von miller. Their RB was Darrell Henderson….they did however lose a SB with a generational RB who actually compares to AJ in Todd Gurley. How long was he in the league? 6-7 yrs?

Preach.

The league may have changed but the two most important things in helping teams win SBs these days is

1. QB play
2. Guys who can make the QB play poorly.

Building up the DL is still the 2nd best approach to giving yourself a fighting chance these days.

Obviously this draft is super important to where the team goes in the future and you want to land the best players possible but I think we can all agree if we land a top flight DL, it's better for our team than an elite RB.

Of course flipside is an elite RB > mediocre DL.

So in the end key is bringing in the right player and hoping they put in the proper amount of work to get better and your coaches, scheme and other players put them in position to succeed on top of it.

So if we pass on Jeanty(assuming he's available) and draft someone like Shemart Stewart, Walter Nolen or Harmon and they end up developing into pro bowl level DLmen for us, even if Jeanty is an all pro/HOF type I feel like that's a win for us given our current roster.

I agree entirely with the bolded part of your statement, I just disagree on which players would give us that shot. On the flip side of one of those players busted we'd have been much better off with Jeanty. That's why you have tiers of player talent.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Be no different in praying that AJ stays healthy.

if SF didn't think CMC was fine they wouldn't have sent Mason to Minn.

we have the god father of finding elite level RBs for this scheme on Bobby Turner. Let him go find something that can add to this RB room.

Yes, you're right.

Those Tyrion Davis Price, Trey Sermon and Joe Williams were amazing.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

I mean the eagles just won a SB based off their DL. The Giants won two based off their DL. Von miller single handily won the broncos a SB.

Rams won a Super Bowl with prime Donald, Floyd and Von miller. Their RB was Darrell Henderson….they did however lose a SB with a generational RB who actually compares to AJ in Todd Gurley. How long was he in the league? 6-7 yrs?

Preach.

The league may have changed but the two most important things in helping teams win SBs these days is

1. QB play
2. Guys who can make the QB play poorly.

Building up the DL is still the 2nd best approach to giving yourself a fighting chance these days.

Obviously this draft is super important to where the team goes in the future and you want to land the best players possible but I think we can all agree if we land a top flight DL, it's better for our team than an elite RB.

Of course flipside is an elite RB > mediocre DL.

So in the end key is bringing in the right player and hoping they put in the proper amount of work to get better and your coaches, scheme and other players put them in position to succeed on top of it.

So if we pass on Jeanty(assuming he's available) and draft someone like Shemart Stewart, Walter Nolen or Harmon and they end up developing into pro bowl level DLmen for us, even if Jeanty is an all pro/HOF type I feel like that's a win for us given our current roster.

I agree entirely with the bolded part of your statement, I just disagree on which players would give us that shot. On the flip side of one of those players busted we'd have been much better off with Jeanty. That's why you have tiers of player talent.

What if Jeanty is a bust? The draft is a lottery. If it was based strictly on talent evaluation every 1st rounder would be good and as we all know that's not always the case. A player being put in the right situation also really matters, Brock is a prime example of that. Guys on here talk as if all 11 picks are going work out, I'd be content with at least 6 of the 11 making the team and 3 of the 6 being day 1 starters.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

I mean the eagles just won a SB based off their DL. The Giants won two based off their DL. Von miller single handily won the broncos a SB.

Rams won a Super Bowl with prime Donald, Floyd and Von miller. Their RB was Darrell Henderson….they did however lose a SB with a generational RB who actually compares to AJ in Todd Gurley. How long was he in the league? 6-7 yrs?

Preach.

The league may have changed but the two most important things in helping teams win SBs these days is

1. QB play
2. Guys who can make the QB play poorly.

Building up the DL is still the 2nd best approach to giving yourself a fighting chance these days.

Obviously this draft is super important to where the team goes in the future and you want to land the best players possible but I think we can all agree if we land a top flight DL, it's better for our team than an elite RB.

Of course flipside is an elite RB > mediocre DL.

So in the end key is bringing in the right player and hoping they put in the proper amount of work to get better and your coaches, scheme and other players put them in position to succeed on top of it.

So if we pass on Jeanty(assuming he's available) and draft someone like Shemart Stewart, Walter Nolen or Harmon and they end up developing into pro bowl level DLmen for us, even if Jeanty is an all pro/HOF type I feel like that's a win for us given our current roster.

I agree entirely with the bolded part of your statement, I just disagree on which players would give us that shot. On the flip side of one of those players busted we'd have been much better off with Jeanty. That's why you have tiers of player talent.

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

I mean the eagles just won a SB based off their DL. The Giants won two based off their DL. Von miller single handily won the broncos a SB.

Rams won a Super Bowl with prime Donald, Floyd and Von miller. Their RB was Darrell Henderson….they did however lose a SB with a generational RB who actually compares to AJ in Todd Gurley. How long was he in the league? 6-7 yrs?

Preach.

The league may have changed but the two most important things in helping teams win SBs these days is

1. QB play
2. Guys who can make the QB play poorly.

Building up the DL is still the 2nd best approach to giving yourself a fighting chance these days.

Obviously this draft is super important to where the team goes in the future and you want to land the best players possible but I think we can all agree if we land a top flight DL, it's better for our team than an elite RB.

Of course flipside is an elite RB > mediocre DL.

So in the end key is bringing in the right player and hoping they put in the proper amount of work to get better and your coaches, scheme and other players put them in position to succeed on top of it.

So if we pass on Jeanty(assuming he's available) and draft someone like Shemart Stewart, Walter Nolen or Harmon and they end up developing into pro bowl level DLmen for us, even if Jeanty is an all pro/HOF type I feel like that's a win for us given our current roster.

I agree entirely with the bolded part of your statement, I just disagree on which players would give us that shot. On the flip side of one of those players busted we'd have been much better off with Jeanty. That's why you have tiers of player talent.

What if Jeanty is a bust? The draft is a lottery. If it was based strictly on talent evaluation every 1st rounder would be good and as we all know that's not always the case. A player being put in the right situation also really matters, Brock is a prime example of that. Guys on here talk as if all 11 picks are going work out, I'd be content with at least 6 of the 11 making the team and 3 of the 6 being day 1 starters.

Of course it is, he could be Trent Richardson, but this is why you evaluate. He's just had the 2nd best season in college history behind only Barry Sanders, has an amazing blend of burst, lateral agility, all the contact balance you could ever want and looks like he was built in a lab. If there was any such thing as can't miss he'd be up there.

Originally posted by krizay:
Here's the dilemma you two appear to be having.

1. You don't View CMC as still being an All Pro and NY does

2. You don't think Harmon is close to Jeanty's tier and NY I assume does.

You view those two players differently which will never allow your views to align on this topic.

I view CMC as a damn good RB, who also elite level pass catching skills. I also see that they just paid him and his contract looks like he's gonna be here for the next couple yrs. Them moving Mason for nothing tells me they think he's just fine.

I also feel that they can get a ton of production from a lot of RBs not named AJ.

It doesn't have to be Harmon only. I also view AJ as a really good player….he just happens to play the most replaceable position in sports. They can be found all over the draft consistently. They can be bought in FA consistently. There's a reason for that.

I've posted this a couple times and it makes sense roster building wise.


IMO it's more of a roster building philosophy than him or I hating/disliking a player.

NY, I share the roster building philosophy, I just believe there's a point where you throw that out and go for talent if you're presented with someone graded Head and shoulders above the rest of the board.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

I mean the eagles just won a SB based off their DL. The Giants won two based off their DL. Von miller single handily won the broncos a SB.

Rams won a Super Bowl with prime Donald, Floyd and Von miller. Their RB was Darrell Henderson….they did however lose a SB with a generational RB who actually compares to AJ in Todd Gurley. How long was he in the league? 6-7 yrs?

Preach.

The league may have changed but the two most important things in helping teams win SBs these days is

1. QB play
2. Guys who can make the QB play poorly.

Building up the DL is still the 2nd best approach to giving yourself a fighting chance these days.

Obviously this draft is super important to where the team goes in the future and you want to land the best players possible but I think we can all agree if we land a top flight DL, it's better for our team than an elite RB.

Of course flipside is an elite RB > mediocre DL.

So in the end key is bringing in the right player and hoping they put in the proper amount of work to get better and your coaches, scheme and other players put them in position to succeed on top of it.

So if we pass on Jeanty(assuming he's available) and draft someone like Shemart Stewart, Walter Nolen or Harmon and they end up developing into pro bowl level DLmen for us, even if Jeanty is an all pro/HOF type I feel like that's a win for us given our current roster.

I agree entirely with the bolded part of your statement, I just disagree on which players would give us that shot. On the flip side of one of those players busted we'd have been much better off with Jeanty. That's why you have tiers of player talent.

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by RDB4216:
How many Super Bowl wins have Nick Bosa, Joey Bosa, Myles Garrett, Chase Young, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson, or Micah Parsons brought to their teams? And with the exception of Parons, those aren't just 1st round picks - they are TOP TWO picks.

I mean the eagles just won a SB based off their DL. The Giants won two based off their DL. Von miller single handily won the broncos a SB.

Rams won a Super Bowl with prime Donald, Floyd and Von miller. Their RB was Darrell Henderson….they did however lose a SB with a generational RB who actually compares to AJ in Todd Gurley. How long was he in the league? 6-7 yrs?

Preach.

The league may have changed but the two most important things in helping teams win SBs these days is

1. QB play
2. Guys who can make the QB play poorly.

Building up the DL is still the 2nd best approach to giving yourself a fighting chance these days.

Obviously this draft is super important to where the team goes in the future and you want to land the best players possible but I think we can all agree if we land a top flight DL, it's better for our team than an elite RB.

Of course flipside is an elite RB > mediocre DL.

So in the end key is bringing in the right player and hoping they put in the proper amount of work to get better and your coaches, scheme and other players put them in position to succeed on top of it.

So if we pass on Jeanty(assuming he's available) and draft someone like Shemart Stewart, Walter Nolen or Harmon and they end up developing into pro bowl level DLmen for us, even if Jeanty is an all pro/HOF type I feel like that's a win for us given our current roster.

I agree entirely with the bolded part of your statement, I just disagree on which players would give us that shot. On the flip side of one of those players busted we'd have been much better off with Jeanty. That's why you have tiers of player talent.

What if Jeanty is a bust? The draft is a lottery. If it was based strictly on talent evaluation every 1st rounder would be good and as we all know that's not always the case. A player being put in the right situation also really matters, Brock is a prime example of that. Guys on here talk as if all 11 picks are going work out, I'd be content with at least 6 of the 11 making the team and 3 of the 6 being day 1 starters.

Of course it is, he could be Trent Richardson, but this is why you evaluate. He's just had the 2nd best season in college history behind only Barry Sanders, has an amazing blend of burst, lateral agility, all the contact balance you could ever want and looks like he was built in a lab. If there was any such thing as can't miss he'd be up there.

If your old enough to remember, Isn't what was said about Reggie Bush when he was drafted? I also just took a quick peak at Boise opponents, he had close to 800 yards against Portland St, Utah St, San Jose St, Georgia Southern. Not really elite defenses. When he played against a good D in Penn St, he had a mere 3.5 yd average. Not saying he won't be good, but I'm totally against picking him at 11 when Turner/Kyle have a good history of making almost anyone a good serviceable RB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I view CMC as a damn good RB, who also elite level pass catching skills. I also see that they just paid him and his contract looks like he's gonna be here for the next couple yrs. Them moving Mason for nothing tells me they think he's just fine.

I also feel that they can get a ton of production from a lot of RBs not named AJ.

It doesn't have to be Harmon only. I also view AJ as a really good player….he just happens to play the most replaceable position in sports. They can be found all over the draft consistently. They can be bought in FA consistently. There's a reason for that.

I've posted this a couple times and it makes sense roster building wise.

This chart from @Jason_OTC should be grilled into everyone's head repeatedly.

X-axis: $ savings vs. a veteran by drafting that position's rookie contract. Y-axis: Odds a good player actually hits free agency.

Draft bottom right early and often. pic.twitter.com/siZ46CwjQ1

— Hayden Winks (@HaydenWinks) April 15, 2025

IMO it's more of a roster building philosophy than him or I hating/disliking a player.

To me DT is equally as replaceable. The DT would have to be a top 5-10ish DT in the league to not just be another dude. I understand the same could be said about the RB position.

I like Harmon ALOT but I don't see top 10 DT in the league. I do think Jeanty has the potential to be top 10 back in this League.

Top 10 back in this league last year was about 1500 total yards & 13 TDs

Top 10 DT last year Was about 40 total tackles 21 QB hits 6.5 sacks. Looks like 21 pressures

Malik Collins last year had 33 tackles, 12 QB hits and 5 sacks. 20 pressures. Not too far off the top 10 numbers except the hits.

I personally think you're overvaluing Harmon compared to the guys Available in rounds 2-4

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
NY, I share the roster building philosophy, I just believe there's a point where you throw that out and go for talent if you're presented with someone graded Head and shoulders above the rest of the board.

I totally get it, overall I'm gonna disagree on the situation and the position.

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
If your old enough to remember, Isn't what was said about Reggie Bush when he was drafted? I also just took a quick peak at Boise opponents, he had close to 800 yards against Portland St, Utah St, San Jose St, Georgia Southern. Not really elite defenses. When he played against a good D in Penn St, he had a mere 3.5 yd average. Not saying he won't be good, but I'm totally against picking him at 11 when Turner/Kyle have a good history of making almost anyone a good serviceable RB.

Dude, box score scouting is the worst (at least you admitted it though) the Penn St game solidified his grade for me. They are a decent D, and they sold out to stop him, and he still churned out impressive run, after impressive run. He's an amazing prospect.

Our coaches are force multipliers for RB's Good serviceable RB's will get us very good production, but we've already seen what difference an elite RB makes.

As for Reggie Bush it was assumed that his speed would make him unstoppable in the pros, but he couldn't break tackles at the rate required, I have no such concerns with Jeanty, in fact the back I'd be a little concerned about falling into that mold would be Henderson.

While you're googling look up the image at his Pro Day.

Originally posted by Oscar8325:
If your old enough to remember, Isn't what was said about Reggie Bush when he was drafted? I also just took a quick peak at Boise opponents, he had close to 800 yards against Portland St, Utah St, San Jose St, Georgia Southern. Not really elite defenses. When he played against a good D in Penn St, he had a mere 3.5 yd average. Not saying he won't be good, but I'm totally against picking him at 11 when Turner/Kyle have a good history of making almost anyone a good serviceable RB.

That could have more to do with his line being overmatched then his ability to play against top competition.

Originally posted by krizay:
To me DT is equally as replaceable. The DT would have to be a top 5-10ish DT in the league to not just be another dude. I understand the same could be said about the RB position.

I like Harmon ALOT but I don't see top 10 DT in the league. I do think Jeanty has the potential to be top 10 back in this League.

Top 10 back in this league last year was about 1500 total yards & 13 TDs

Top 10 DT last year Was about 40 total tackles 21 QB hits 6.5 sacks. Looks like 21 pressures

Malik Collins last year had 33 tackles, 12 QB hits and 5 sacks. 20 pressures. Not too far off the top 10 numbers except the hits.

I personally think you're overvaluing Harmon compared to the guys Available in rounds 2-4

Hey you're entitled to your opinion. Top 10 backs this yr were Kyren Williams, Bucky Irving, Chuba Hubbard and aaron jones all the same.

Like I said it doesn't have to be just Harmon. I also think he's much better than the DT in 2-4. I also think you're overvaluing the RB as a whole and the difference between playing AJ for 10 carries a game and someone else we can take in the 2-4