With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Yup; I wouldn't trade up for anyone. Only time you trade up into the top 10 is for a QB IMO because of the capital you need to give up.

This draft really aligns with our needs and has depth where we need it. We can easily walk away with multiple starters and contributors year 1 if they do it right.

I don't agree with that. I would trade up for a non QB plus the trade capital would not be the same as it would for a QB. For instance if we wanted to trade up to 3 this year to select Abdul Carter it wouldn't cost us nearly as what it did for the Lance pick. Probably could do it for a 2nd and a 3rd.

I wouldn't do it this year but if you think your 1 player away and you're convinced that player is him then I don't see a problem.

That's fine; to each their own. Thats why I put "IMO" because it's just something I wouldn't do. I'm a strong believer in building through the draft. Thinking you're 1 player away is how you end up taking a freaking kicker in the 3rd round lol

The Niners need bodies. Trading up should not be an option. This is a rebuild. There are too many needs here. Two DT's, at least one ER. A LB, a CB, a Safety. A WR, an OT, a CENTER, an OG, and a TE or RB. That's 11 picks right there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think you can do that with Membou and banks as well

I think Campbell is the far superior prospect. If his arms were two inches longer he would be a lock for a top 5 pick

Add me to the Jalon Walker bandwagon. 3rd down rusher, and happy to use him off the ball on run downs. Really impressed with him and think he could possibly become the next Parsons.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think you can do that with Membou and banks as well

I think Campbell is the far superior prospect. If his arms were two inches longer he would be a lock for a top 5 pick

I still say they make too much of an issue about arm length for O linemen. Does an extra inch or even 2 make that much difference on whether an O linemen can block a defender? How often do they really need to fully extend their arms? It's more about footwork, technique and strength.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think you can do that with Membou and banks as well

I think Campbell is the far superior prospect. If his arms were two inches longer he would be a lock for a top 5 pick

But they're not lol and that has nothing to do with what I said. They can draft any three of those guys and they're day 1 starters on the inside who can project to play OT in a yr or whenever.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I still say they make too much of an issue about arm length for O linemen. Does an extra inch or even 2 make that much difference on whether an O linemen can block a defender? How often do they really need to fully extend their arms? It's more about footwork, technique and strength.

It all matters. It's not just arm length it's wingspan which is also extremely poor at OT.

You have to figure out where he's best at in the NFL. Is he gonna be a better OT or a better OG for a team? IMO he's still a OT and could be similar to Kaleb McGary or maybe Slater.

I don't think every team will have him ranked as a OT

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Add me to the Jalon Walker bandwagon. 3rd down rusher, and happy to use him off the ball on run downs. Really impressed with him and think he could possibly become the next Parsons.

disagree about the next parsons. He isn't built like him imo. Parsons is thicker in the lower half and stronger coming out of PSU.

I'm sorry I just don't see it with him. Feel like there's a lot of projection and a guy who's measurables aren't elite for him to grow into either.

Overall I just to don't see the fit for this team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I still say they make too much of an issue about arm length for O linemen. Does an extra inch or even 2 make that much difference on whether an O linemen can block a defender? How often do they really need to fully extend their arms? It's more about footwork, technique and strength.

It all matters. It's not just arm length it's wingspan which is also extremely poor at OT.

You have to figure out where he's best at in the NFL. Is he gonna be a better OT or a better OG for a team? IMO he's still a OT and could be similar to Kaleb McGary or maybe Slater.

I don't think every team will have him ranked as a OT

You can't use wingspan as an O linemen. That would be holding if you reach out and grab. Most O linemen are taught to grab the jersety inside around the chest area. When they go outside the shoulder pad area they get called for holding. Arm length for an O linemen is the last thing I would be concerned with unless he looked like T-rex.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I still say they make too much of an issue about arm length for O linemen. Does an extra inch or even 2 make that much difference on whether an O linemen can block a defender? How often do they really need to fully extend their arms? It's more about footwork, technique and strength.

It all matters. It's not just arm length it's wingspan which is also extremely poor at OT.

You have to figure out where he's best at in the NFL. Is he gonna be a better OT or a better OG for a team? IMO he's still a OT and could be similar to Kaleb McGary or maybe Slater.

I don't think every team will have him ranked as a OT

You can't use wingspan as an O linemen. That would be holding if you reach out and grab. Most O linemen are taught to grab the jersety inside around the chest area. When they go outside the shoulder pad area they get called for holding. Arm length for an O linemen is the last thing I would be concerned with unless he looked like T-rex.

I think they want longer arms as they are typically better at stonewalling a defender at arms length in front of them etc, but agreed its an overblown metric and not a definitive correlation to performance on the field.

As we close in on the draft the more i think it will be between Membou, Campbell or Williams if we stay at 11. I think those are your safest picks and 1 of them should be there.

Armand Membou - the floor for him is he kicks inside at guard. The ceiling is he's our future LT/RT
Will Campbell - Same with Membou but at least he played LT in college
Mykell WIlliams - the floor with him is a run stuffing DE (which we need). The ceiling is he turns into Aldon Smith (one of his comps)

There are other guys i like but to me that's the safest picks of the guys who are projected to be there. I'm close to adding Grant to the list but i'm not sure if he'll become a decent pass rusher. We haven't heard the 49ers having much interest in him pre draft but that probably means they like him a lot and he's the pick lol.
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
You can't use wingspan as an O linemen. That would be holding if you reach out and grab. Most O linemen are taught to grab the jersety inside around the chest area. When they go outside the shoulder pad area they get called for holding. Arm length for an O linemen is the last thing I would be concerned with unless he looked like T-rex.

They could get called for holding every play lol. Arm length clearly matters if you look at who's playing OT.

I think there's 3 starting OT in the NFL that have less than 33" arms

Alaric Jackson
Kaleb McGary
Braden Smith

Originally posted by NinerTy:
The Niners need bodies. Trading up should not be an option. This is a rebuild. There are too many needs here. Two DT's, at least one ER. A LB, a CB, a Safety. A WR, an OT, a CENTER, an OG, and a TE or RB. That's 11 picks right there.

Yeah, dont have much faith in Lynch here. He's shown the ability to be aggressive to get his guys, but I havent seen him maneuver for value. This draft class is pretty thin, and void of alot of blue chip guys. Once you get past Carter, Hunter, Jeanty, the TEs, theres a huge blob of guys with similar value. Fortunately, theres quite a few DTs in that group. If you are not in love at 11, I'd be trying to maximize picks from 25-75.

Unfortunately, thats going to bode well for teams like Buffalo (30, 56, 62) and KC (31, 63, 66) who are positioned to draft just as well as a team at 15.

Originally posted by miked1978:
As we close in on the draft the more i think it will be between Membou, Campbell or Williams if we stay at 11. I think those are your safest picks and 1 of them should be there.

Armand Membou - the floor for him is he kicks inside at guard. The ceiling is he's our future LT/RT
Will Campbell - Same with Membou but at least he played LT in college
Mykell WIlliams - the floor with him is a run stuffing DE (which we need). The ceiling is he turns into Aldon Smith (one of his comps)

There are other guys i like but to me that's the safest picks of the guys who are projected to be there. I'm close to adding Grant to the list but i'm not sure if he'll become a decent pass rusher. We haven't heard the 49ers having much interest in him pre draft but that probably means they like him a lot and he's the pick lol.
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I think a good comp for Williams is Jason Pierre-Paul.

I'll take Nolen and Harmon over Grant.

Originally posted by NinerTy:
The Niners need bodies. Trading up should not be an option. This is a rebuild. There are too many needs here. Two DT's, at least one ER. A LB, a CB, a Safety. A WR, an OT, a CENTER, an OG, and a TE or RB. That's 11 picks right there.

If Graham or Carter some how fall in striking distance I'd trade up