With the 11th overall pick..

Originally posted by miked1978:
How about this scenario I did last night on Madden:

1. Titans: C Ward
2. Browns: A Carter
3. Giants: S Sanders
4 . Pats: A. Memboe
5. Jags: T hunter
#6 SF: Mason Graham SF trades #11, #43, #227 to the Raiders for picks #6 and #68. With the 6th pick SF selects Mason Graham. Raiders want Jentry but not at #6.

#68 - Bradyn Swinson, EDGE
#75 - Isiah Bond, WR
#100 - Jordan Phillips, DT
#113 - Jeffrey Bassa, LB
#138 - Bhaysal Tuten, RB
Rd 5 - Chase Lundt, OT
Rd 6 - Seth Mclaughlin, OC
Rd7 - Cooper Mays, OG

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Man I really like Graham and it would be sweet to see him in the red and gold, but guys like Nolen and Harmon are damn good in their own right…I think I'd rather trade down and get another day 2 pick vs lose that top 50 pick and have Graham.

Would you rather have
Graham and pick 68, 75
or Nolen/harmon pick 43, 75, 80

Originally posted by miked1978:
How about this scenario I did last night on Madden:

1. Titans: C Ward
2. Browns: A Carter
3. Giants: S Sanders
4 . Pats: A. Memboe
5. Jags: T hunter
#6 SF: Mason Graham SF trades #11, #43, #227 to the Raiders for picks #6 and #68. With the 6th pick SF selects Mason Graham. Raiders want Jentry but not at #6.

#68 - Bradyn Swinson, EDGE
#75 - Isiah Bond, WR
#100 - Jordan Phillips, DT
#113 - Jeffrey Bassa, LB
#138 - Bhaysal Tuten, RB
Rd 5 - Chase Lundt, OT
Rd 6 - Seth Mclaughlin, OC
Rd7 - Cooper Mays, OG

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I just really don't see us trading up in the first round unless it's a couple of picks and wouldn't cost our 2nd rounder, even then I'm not sure we'd do that. We have too many holes right now, though they may feel like they need to get a slam dunk and may feel Mason is that. We'll see.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by miked1978:
How about this scenario I did last night on Madden:

1. Titans: C Ward
2. Browns: A Carter
3. Giants: S Sanders
4 . Pats: A. Memboe
5. Jags: T hunter
#6 SF: Mason Graham SF trades #11, #43, #227 to the Raiders for picks #6 and #68. With the 6th pick SF selects Mason Graham. Raiders want Jentry but not at #6.

#68 - Bradyn Swinson, EDGE
#75 - Isiah Bond, WR
#100 - Jordan Phillips, DT
#113 - Jeffrey Bassa, LB
#138 - Bhaysal Tuten, RB
Rd 5 - Chase Lundt, OT
Rd 6 - Seth Mclaughlin, OC
Rd7 - Cooper Mays, OG

__PRESENT__PRESENT

Man I really like Graham and it would be sweet to see him in the red and gold, but guys like Nolen and Harmon are damn good in their own right…I think I'd rather trade down and get another day 2 pick vs lose that top 50 pick and have Graham.

Would you rather have
Graham and pick 68, 75
or Nolen/harmon pick 43, 75, 80

I'm with you, this is not the year to trade away picks. We need every single one unless they think that graham is going to be that much better than the others. I don't believe so but I'm no scout. I'll trust lynch and his staff

Is there a clear cut difference between the top 5 D linemen? Each of them has their own strengths and weaknesses.

What if they traded down a couple spots to say 13 or 14 where they could still get Membou and then in the process get a pick in the early 3rd round but then trade that pick and pick 43 for another 1st in around the mid 20s, what do you guys think?

Originally posted by philgardis49:
What if they traded down a couple spots to say 13 or 14 where they could still get Membou and then in the process get a pick in the early 3rd round but then trade that pick and pick 43 for another 1st in around the mid 20s, what do you guys think?

Membou is probably not making it to them at 11.. let alone in a trade down scenario

Originally posted by philgardis49:
What if they traded down a couple spots to say 13 or 14 where they could still get Membou and then in the process get a pick in the early 3rd round but then trade that pick and pick 43 for another 1st in around the mid 20s, what do you guys think?

I was playing around with getting two firsts.

But it would be after we got Jahdea Barron at 11 and moved back up to get Derrick Harmon in the 20's.

*Trade 2.43 and 3.75 to Houston for 1.25
*Trade 2026 5th to Philly for DE Bryce Huff and 2026 6th
*Trade WR Brandon Aiuyk and 5.147 to New England for 3.91

I think we'd get 5 starters out of this draft.

1.11- Jahdea Barron, CB
1.25- Derrick Harmon, DT
3.91- Ashton Gillotte, DE
3.100- Ty Robinson, DT
4.113- Jeffrey Bassa, LB
4.138- Chase Lundt, OT
5.160- Teddye Buchanan, LB
7.227- Logan Parr, OG
7.249- Trey Wedig, OT
7.252- Noah Daniels, CB

I hope we stick with BPA and don't force the pick like we did with Kinlaw to replace Buckner. If someone like Jihaad Campbell is BPA, just take him.

As much as I want Matthew Golden in the 1stin a trade down to 16, the most ideal option easily is a trade down to high teens/early 20s and just draft Nolen there and a small trade back from 43 to high 40s to grab an extra 4th.

23. Nolen DL
49. Trey Amos / Darien Porter CB
54. Swinson EDGE
75 CJ West DL
100 Josh Farmer DL

DL and EDGE almost completely fixed by pick 100.

113 RJ Harvey RB
118 Demetrius Knight / Jeffrey Bassa LB
138 Logan Brown / Lundt OT
147 Kyle Williams WR
160 Brashard Smith RB
227 Craig Woodson S
249 Nazir Stackhouse NT
252 LaJohntay Webster WR

Originally posted by Nastastical:
I hope we stick with BPA and don't force the pick like we did with Kinlaw to replace Buckner. If someone like Jihaad Campbell is BPA, just take him.

Agree with this. Especially cuz I like Jihaad Campbell a lot lol

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
As much as I want Matthew Golden in the 1stin a trade down to 16, the most ideal option easily is a trade down to high teens/early 20s and just draft Nolen there and a small trade back from 43 to high 40s to grab an extra 4th.

23. Nolen DL
49. Trey Amos / Darien Porter CB
54. Swinson EDGE
75 CJ West DL
100 Josh Farmer DL

DL and EDGE almost completely fixed by pick 100.

113 RJ Harvey RB
118 Demetrius Knight / Jeffrey Bassa LB
138 Logan Brown / Lundt OT
147 Kyle Williams WR
160 Brashard Smith RB
227 Craig Woodson S
249 Nazir Stackhouse NT
252 LaJohntay Webster WR

That would be a nice draft. I think you have some players ranked a little off though.

I don't think West or Farmer are 3rd round DT's. Not with the depth of the tackles in this class. And Knight looks to be a 2nd round LB. I don't think there's any way he drops to the 4th.

I'd love to see them do one of two things: take DT Grant or trade down to get more good picks and grab Harmon or one of the other top DT's. I'm not sold on Graham, but he'll likely be gone, anyway. By trading down they could put themselves in position to get stronger on the DL and/or get one of the top run-stuffers and a very good OL.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
As much as I want Matthew Golden in the 1stin a trade down to 16, the most ideal option easily is a trade down to high teens/early 20s and just draft Nolen there and a small trade back from 43 to high 40s to grab an extra 4th.

23. Nolen DL
49. Trey Amos / Darien Porter CB
54. Swinson EDGE
75 CJ West DL
100 Josh Farmer DL

DL and EDGE almost completely fixed by pick 100.

113 RJ Harvey RB
118 Demetrius Knight / Jeffrey Bassa LB
138 Logan Brown / Lundt OT
147 Kyle Williams WR
160 Brashard Smith RB
227 Craig Woodson S
249 Nazir Stackhouse NT
252 LaJohntay Webster WR

That would be a nice draft. I think you have some players ranked a little off though.

I don't think West or Farmer are 3rd round DT's. Not with the depth of the tackles in this class. And Knight looks to be a 2nd round LB. I don't think there's any way he drops to the 4th.

Thanks man.

If that's the case just assume it's Bassa and remove Knight.

And I think West and Farmer are 4th round DTs but early 4th rounders and I like them a lot and want to make sure I get them since I don't like a ton of the DL options after them outside of Jamaree Caldwell, Pegues (both 4th/5th rounders) and Patrick Jenkins in the 6th/7th round.

If you wait to grab the guy you want at the exact spot you think their value is then you easily lose them to another team that ranks them slightly higher or rates them the same but just picks before you. I think Farmer and West are worth a 3rd and a late 3rd.. not far off from their actual value and we fix the DL immediately in the draft.

Plus I tried to draft players that would reasonably be there at each spot - outside of Knight (although I would not be shocked to see him there at 118) I think I did that.

My two favorite RBs in the draft after the top 5 guys are RJ Harvey and Brashard Smith so I always try to grab both of them esp with Mason gone... watch their highlight videos...so damn good. And fast. Tuten would be great but he fumbled 9x the last two years and projecting Kyle to not be ok with that... but he ran a 4.32 and returns kicks so... buuuut Brashard Smith ran a 4.36 and also returns kicks and also converted to RB rom WR last year after transferring from Miami and dude can seriously run routes and catch the ball too.

Unless a player they want falls to 11. A trade back that keeps them in the top 20 is the way to go.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by philgardis49:
What if they traded down a couple spots to say 13 or 14 where they could still get Membou and then in the process get a pick in the early 3rd round but then trade that pick and pick 43 for another 1st in around the mid 20s, what do you guys think?

I was playing around with getting two firsts.

But it would be after we got Jahdea Barron at 11 and moved back up to get Derrick Harmon in the 20's.

*Trade 2.43 and 3.75 to Houston for 1.25
*Trade 2026 5th to Philly for DE Bryce Huff and 2026 6th
*Trade WR Brandon Aiuyk and 5.147 to New England for 3.91

I think we'd get 5 starters out of this draft.

1.11- Jahdea Barron, CB
1.25- Derrick Harmon, DT
3.91- Ashton Gillotte, DE
3.100- Ty Robinson, DT
4.113- Jeffrey Bassa, LB
4.138- Chase Lundt, OT
5.160- Teddye Buchanan, LB
7.227- Logan Parr, OG
7.249- Trey Wedig, OT
7.252- Noah Daniels, CB

I like Ty Robinson but I think you have him going way too high. Smart move to go with one of the NT types in the 3rd to pair with Harmon.

I like Bassa and Buchanan but doubling up on LB seems unnecessary though hard to say it wouldn't be BPA.

Getting Barron and Harmon would be a huge boost to the defense for sure tho.