2025 NFL Combine

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Itreallymakes me laugh when a guy runs 4.4 and there isn't much reaction. Then he runs a 4.39 and they all start applaiding. 1/100th of a second and they get excited. You can't even measure the difference in distance at the finsih between 4.4 and 4.39.

It's the same reason $1.99 looks a lot better at the store than $2.00. It's all psychological. Plus the guy who ran a 4.39 could slip on some other attempt and run 4.4's. The guy who ran 4.4's maybe did slip and can run 4.3's if it's clean. Hard to say what you got on 2 runs. If you ran it 100 times you would have some kind of average. It's literally just running it well and not slipping and stuff like that or having a bad start. Some of it is honestly a little bit of luck. But it gives you some indication of where people are at. If you see a WR or DB running 4.7 that's a red flag IMO.

I don't care that much about hiw fast a RB is. I'm way more concerned about toughness. can he break takles and change direction. Can he see the holes open up. Can he block.

Some of the really fast guys are just like the super fast receivers. Lot's of flash but not a lot of substance. You don't see many sub 4.35 receivers that make a huge impact in the league. Same for the really fast RBs. It seems like there's a sweet spot between 4.4 and 4.55 for the best WRs and RBs. It may be because the really fast guys always think they can outrun everyone and never really learn the finer points of their position. It also might be harder to make cuts when you're moving too fast. Whatever it is the fastest guys are rarely the best.

Emmitt Smith wasn't real fast. Jerry Rice wasn't real fast. I would say straight line fast in shorts is a little overrated in football. It's not everything. But not nothing either. The change of direction stuff is actually a lot more important. Like Malaki Starks is apparently great at a lot of those categories. Plus toughness, ability to hit or take a hit. Size can come into play as well as strength. The 40 is the most fun even to watch. But it's not everything in football. Lots of track guys can't play football well.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Itreallymakes me laugh when a guy runs 4.4 and there isn't much reaction. Then he runs a 4.39 and they all start applaiding. 1/100th of a second and they get excited. You can't even measure the difference in distance at the finsih between 4.4 and 4.39.

It's the same reason $1.99 looks a lot better at the store than $2.00. It's all psychological. Plus the guy who ran a 4.39 could slip on some other attempt and run 4.4's. The guy who ran 4.4's maybe did slip and can run 4.3's if it's clean. Hard to say what you got on 2 runs. If you ran it 100 times you would have some kind of average. It's literally just running it well and not slipping and stuff like that or having a bad start. Some of it is honestly a little bit of luck. But it gives you some indication of where people are at. If you see a WR or DB running 4.7 that's a red flag IMO.

I don't care that much about hiw fast a RB is. I'm way more concerned about toughness. can he break takles and change direction. Can he see the holes open up. Can he block.

Some of the really fast guys are just like the super fast receivers. Lot's of flash but not a lot of substance. You don't see many sub 4.35 receivers that make a huge impact in the league. Same for the really fast RBs. It seems like there's a sweet spot between 4.4 and 4.55 for the best WRs and RBs. It may be because the really fast guys always think they can outrun everyone and never really learn the finer points of their position. It also might be harder to make cuts when you're moving too fast. Whatever it is the fastest guys are rarely the best.

Emmitt Smith wasn't real fast. Jerry Rice wasn't real fast. I would say straight line fast in shorts is a little overrated in football. It's not everything. But not nothing either. The change of direction stuff is actually a lot more important. Like Malaki Starks is apparently great at a lot of those categories. Plus toughness, ability to hit or take a hit. Size can come into play as well as strength. The 40 is the most fun even to watch. But it's not everything in football. Lots of track guys can't play football well.

Most can't. The one great track star that had a huge impact was Bob Hayes with the Cowboys. He was just so much faster than the DBs and he was actually a football player. Several others have tried but with only marginal success. Most are straight line speed guys and many of them aren't big enough to take the pounding. Walsh tried to do it with Nehemiah 110 high hurdle record holder. The Niners also had Ray Norton who was the worlds fastest man for a time. Neither could play football.

I think a lot of times common fans take too much from the combine. Over the years there's been a lot of combine warriors that have moved up but of course never materialized in the league. I still think the most important tool to scouts is college tape. That's the one thing that doesn't give as much misconception about a player. Of course you always want to check backgrounds what type of a person they are and what their character is. That cannot always be seen well on the tape. But what they've done is a player and potentially could do usually lies in the tape.
They might find guys that are intriguing and see a few things they hadn't noticed before while at the combine but go back and relook at the tape.

NFL scouts don't just see highlight tapes like most fans do. Every player is going to look good on his highlight tape. Scouts look at entire game tapes and attend practices. They want to see what a certain player does when he's not directly involved in the play. Does he just stand around or is he actively pursuing the play even if it's on the other side of the field? Does he hold his block well? Does a receiver run his route every play or just when he's the intended receiver? All that stuff matters and doesn't show up on highlight tapes.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
NFL scouts don't just see highlight tapes like most fans do. Every player is going to look good on his highlight tape. Scouts look at entire game tapes and attend practices. They want to see what a certain player does when he's not directly involved in the play. Does he just stand around or is he actively pursuing the play even if it's on the other side of the field? Does he hold his block well? Does a receiver run his route every play or just when he's the intended receiver? All that stuff matters and doesn't show up on highlight tapes.

I don't know if this is in response to my post. If it isn't I apologize but if it is I was never talking about highlight tapes. I was definitely talking about actual game film. Play after play what they do in between plays throughout.

Originally posted by stonecold590:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
NFL scouts don't just see highlight tapes like most fans do. Every player is going to look good on his highlight tape. Scouts look at entire game tapes and attend practices. They want to see what a certain player does when he's not directly involved in the play. Does he just stand around or is he actively pursuing the play even if it's on the other side of the field? Does he hold his block well? Does a receiver run his route every play or just when he's the intended receiver? All that stuff matters and doesn't show up on highlight tapes.

I don't know if this is in response to my post. If it isn't I apologize but if it is I was never talking about highlight tapes. I was definitely talking about actual game film. Play after play what they do in between plays throughout.

No it wasn't. I wrote this because a lot of fans look at highlight tapes or combine numbers and decide who the Niners should take based on that.I was just pointing out that there is a lot that goes into making these selctions. They have access to far more info than we do. Most of us know this but we sometimes forget and get carried away with a few highlights and a fast 40.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

A strong team is built up the MIDDLE. Buckner and Armstead. We haven't been the same since we lost them. In fact we get gashed right up the middle running. Stubblefield and Bryant Young from a previous era. It's bully ball.

The middle in ANY sport is important. That's why you hear about the C calling protections for the QB, the MLB calling plays for the defense, the S being smart and talented enough to keep plays in front of him.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Cam Ward
6015
219
9 hand

Shedeur Sanders
6014
212
9 3/8 hand

— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) March 1, 2025

Ward is smaller than Purdy. Lighter and has smaller hands. I guess he won't be able to play in cold wet weather.

Woulda never guessed this (the hands)

lol now someone explain this one....

Wr from MD looked good

With Deebo traded and the uncertainty of Aiyuk coming back (trade or recovery), i anticipate a WR taken in the first 3 rounds.

I'm not sure how the draft will shake with the position but it seems like only a few are going in the first. I am not sure if Isaiah Bond will be there in the third but looks like a guy who can separate. Sure doesn't lack any confidence

Originally posted by Scraptastic:
With Deebo traded and the uncertainty of Aiyuk coming back (trade or recovery), i anticipate a WR taken in the first 3 rounds.

I'm not sure how the draft will shake with the position but it seems like only a few are going in the first. I am not sure if Isaiah Bond will be there in the third but looks like a guy who can separate. Sure doesn't lack any confidence

Sad he can't back it up.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by Scraptastic:
With Deebo traded and the uncertainty of Aiyuk coming back (trade or recovery), i anticipate a WR taken in the first 3 rounds.

I'm not sure how the draft will shake with the position but it seems like only a few are going in the first. I am not sure if Isaiah Bond will be there in the third but looks like a guy who can separate. Sure doesn't lack any confidence

Sad he can't back it up.

He was saying he would run under 4.2. He couldn't even get under 4.4. Tez Johnson from oregon is another guy that had a really poor showing. At 5' 8" he weighed in at 154 lbs which is the lightest they've seen in years. At that size he would need to flash a 4.25 or something like that but he ran a 4.55 and a 4.51.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Cam Ward
6015
219
9 hand

Shedeur Sanders
6014
212
9 3/8 hand

— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) March 1, 2025

Ward is smaller than Purdy. Lighter and has smaller hands. I guess he won't be able to play in cold wet weather.

Woulda never guessed this (the hands)

lol now someone explain this one....

Jalen Milroe's hands have grown by half an inch since he was in Mobile last month 🤯 pic.twitter.com/0BnahBkXYd

— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) March 1, 2025

The numbers on arm/hand measurements seems to be off from the shrine/senior bowl. Brandon Thorn was talking about it. I noticed that jump as well.

Will have to see how pro day measurements stack up. Annoying there isn't consistency. Tho I've heard of guys doing hand stretching exercises to bump up those numbers lol

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by stonecold590:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
NFL scouts don't just see highlight tapes like most fans do. Every player is going to look good on his highlight tape. Scouts look at entire game tapes and attend practices. They want to see what a certain player does when he's not directly involved in the play. Does he just stand around or is he actively pursuing the play even if it's on the other side of the field? Does he hold his block well? Does a receiver run his route every play or just when he's the intended receiver? All that stuff matters and doesn't show up on highlight tapes.

I don't know if this is in response to my post. If it isn't I apologize but if it is I was never talking about highlight tapes. I was definitely talking about actual game film. Play after play what they do in between plays throughout.

No it wasn't. I wrote this because a lot of fans look at highlight tapes or combine numbers and decide who the Niners should take based on that.I was just pointing out that there is a lot that goes into making these selctions. They have access to far more info than we do. Most of us know this but we sometimes forget and get carried away with a few highlights and a fast 40.

100% agree. I could put together a highlight tape of a 7th round player and make him look like a day to pick. The pros have access to tape we will never have. Honestly I think at the combine and they should wear helmets and shells, instead of just underwear. Things would change a little bit and the drills and timing. But it would be closer to the real thing then what we get.