James Pearce Jr. - Edge - Tennessee

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Literally his NFL draft profile…and the length isn't really there at sub 33" arms at 6-5

Overview

Pearce is a tight-hipped, linear pass rusher with explosive take-offs and good speed-to-power but a lack of bend to flatten at the top. His high pressure rate is partially derived from an instinctive feel for positioning, allowing him to work around protection for quick wins into the pocket. He's very long but narrow through his hips, so the build-out of his frame might be limited. Pearce knows how to play around blocks and has the speed to close and tackle, but his base is naturally narrow and lacks bend. He'll need to improve his strength and technique as an NFL run defender. Despite those concerns, Pearce's length, twitch and rush production create a higher ceiling.

comp Odafe Oweh

You're literally ignoring what Baldy said about him. If Baldy said he didn't have bend about Pearce, you would fully use that in your argument.

If you watched that hoop drill and think he had some great bend, then I don't know what to tell ya. It's all over his film as well.

baldy says a whole bunch of s**t all the time, doesn't mean he's right 100% of the time. No one is. It's not that I'm ignoring what one guy says. I'm listening to what multiple people have said and what I see when I watch him play.

dude has short arms, is light in the pants, has tight hips and is a linear pass rusher. If you're down for that cool, that's your opinion.. I'm not gonna argue with you about it anymore.

proof is in the pudding and we will see what he becomes down the road, he's got a spot in the league, as you're primary EDGE? I don't think so, not for me at 11.

i would take Stewart over Pearce.. if had two choose between those two

I don't know man, 1.5 sacks in each season only 39 pressures on 315 pass snaps according to PFF. James Pearce has 19.5 sacks and 110 pressures in his career in college. But quite honestly they're two different DE's, it's not really fair to compare the two.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Literally his NFL draft profile…and the length isn't really there at sub 33" arms at 6-5

Overview

Pearce is a tight-hipped, linear pass rusher with explosive take-offs and good speed-to-power but a lack of bend to flatten at the top. His high pressure rate is partially derived from an instinctive feel for positioning, allowing him to work around protection for quick wins into the pocket. He's very long but narrow through his hips, so the build-out of his frame might be limited. Pearce knows how to play around blocks and has the speed to close and tackle, but his base is naturally narrow and lacks bend. He'll need to improve his strength and technique as an NFL run defender. Despite those concerns, Pearce's length, twitch and rush production create a higher ceiling.

comp Odafe Oweh

You're literally ignoring what Baldy said about him. If Baldy said he didn't have bend about Pearce, you would fully use that in your argument.

If you watched that hoop drill and think he had some great bend, then I don't know what to tell ya. It's all over his film as well.

baldy says a whole bunch of s**t all the time, doesn't mean he's right 100% of the time. No one is. It's not that I'm ignoring what one guy says. I'm listening to what multiple people have said and what I see when I watch him play.

dude has short arms, is light in the pants, has tight hips and is a linear pass rusher. If you're down for that cool, that's your opinion.. I'm not gonna argue with you about it anymore.

proof is in the pudding and we will see what he becomes down the road, he's got a spot in the league, as you're primary EDGE? I don't think so, not for me at 11.

i would take Stewart over Pearce.. if had two choose between those two

I don't know man, 1.5 sacks in each season only 39 pressures on 315 pass snaps according to PFF. James Pearce has 19.5 sacks and 110 pressures in his career in college. But quite honestly they're two different DE's, it's not really fair to compare the two.

the film is what separated the two for me.. Stewart got that motor while taking on two guys and is running all over to get the ball.. dude just looks like the bigger guy out there also

P Jr just looks like more of an OLB than a true edge. how will he hold up getting chipped or double teamed.. idk

I mean if we use him like Parsons and just line him up if different spots.. would be nice.. but not sure if we will do that

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
the film is what separated the two for me.. Stewart got that motor while taking on two guys and is running all over to get the ball.. dude just looks like the bigger guy out there also

P Jr just looks like more of an OLB than a true edge. how will he hold up getting chipped or double teamed.. idk

I mean if we use him like Parsons and just line him up if different spots.. would be nice.. but not sure if we will do that

He ain't parsons. Not even close

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Literally his NFL draft profile…and the length isn't really there at sub 33" arms at 6-5

Overview

Pearce is a tight-hipped, linear pass rusher with explosive take-offs and good speed-to-power but a lack of bend to flatten at the top. His high pressure rate is partially derived from an instinctive feel for positioning, allowing him to work around protection for quick wins into the pocket. He's very long but narrow through his hips, so the build-out of his frame might be limited. Pearce knows how to play around blocks and has the speed to close and tackle, but his base is naturally narrow and lacks bend. He'll need to improve his strength and technique as an NFL run defender. Despite those concerns, Pearce's length, twitch and rush production create a higher ceiling.

comp Odafe Oweh

You're literally ignoring what Baldy said about him. If Baldy said he didn't have bend about Pearce, you would fully use that in your argument.

If you watched that hoop drill and think he had some great bend, then I don't know what to tell ya. It's all over his film as well.

baldy says a whole bunch of s**t all the time, doesn't mean he's right 100% of the time. No one is. It's not that I'm ignoring what one guy says. I'm listening to what multiple people have said and what I see when I watch him play.

dude has short arms, is light in the pants, has tight hips and is a linear pass rusher. If you're down for that cool, that's your opinion.. I'm not gonna argue with you about it anymore.

proof is in the pudding and we will see what he becomes down the road, he's got a spot in the league, as you're primary EDGE? I don't think so, not for me at 11.

It's not just Baldy though, you once used Daniel Jeremiah to back up your argument though and Jeremiah compared him to Burns. PFF once had him as the #1 overall pick. So what they're wrong too? And I'm not trying to say Pearce has great bend, but lets not act like he doesn't have any at all or I doubt he'd be as successful as a DE in the SEC.

First it was bend, now you're going outta your way and trying to find every thing to slam this kid. Short arms, light in the pants are you f**kin serious do you even believe some of the stuff you say. Do you even know WTF you're talking about!!!

It's insane. How can he be so condescending and arrogant when he was proven to not know anything about football throughout the Lance saga. He just leans on random twitter guys

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
the film is what separated the two for me.. Stewart got that motor while taking on two guys and is running all over to get the ball.. dude just looks like the bigger guy out there also

P Jr just looks like more of an OLB than a true edge. how will he hold up getting chipped or double teamed.. idk

I mean if we use him like Parsons and just line him up if different spots.. would be nice.. but not sure if we will do that

He ain't parsons. Not even close

well then, there you have it Ko

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
From above mentioned Daniel Jeremiah:
Linear pass rusher...lack of bend...lacks bend...rushes from a linear track...tight hips

Mentioned 5 times in his scouting report

Lol like I said people are putting too much stock into bend, are you arguing that James Pearce Jr. doesn't have bend or he doesn't have bend like Brian Burns?

For me, you're acting like his game won't translate to the NFL, is that what you're saying?

Id argue that he'll never be your primary edge rusher; I don't think he has that ceiling. I have never seen him bend anywhere close to Brian Burns level, and i say he's league average in that regard. Pick 11 would be rich, imo.

You've never seen bend at Brian Burns level, you're basing this off some hoop drill and what people say. Do you have Brian Burns doing the hoop drill? And you don't think he'll ever be your primary pass rusher, why because YOU say he doesn't bend? Yet, you pointed out Daniel Jeremiah scouting report, the same Daniel Jeremiah that's comparing him to Brian Burns, do you see the contradiction here? Forget the comparisons, you don't see his get off at the LOS, speed, hand fighting and power in his play? You say stiff hips, lol did you not see him in coverage for a pick 6. Again, you're basing you opinion putting too much stock into the Combine, hence posting the hoop drill. lol

Im not sure why you're so combative and defensive of this dude lol. You asked my opinion, and I gave it to you. Your response is "why, because YOU say so?" Well, yea, because it's my opinion...as for the hoop drill, my brother, YOU posted the video of the hoop drill lol. You're using a clip of Baldy to showcase bend during the hoopdrill. I used the SAME hoop drill to provide you video evidence, or at least my interpretation of it, to refute him being a bendy pass rusher. From what I can tell, that was just Baldy talking as he was recording, not even going back to evaluate and give his thoughts...he's just talking/praising a young potential 1st round pick.

Not sure why I'd need Brian Burns hoop drill. Dude is ridiculously bendy.

Also, there is no contradiction RE daniel jeramiah, I'm merely posting verbiage from HIS scouting report. If he comped him to Burns (he might have, but I'm not sure where, his scouting report comps him do Odafe (Jason) Oweh), then that would be DJ contradicting himself, not me. It would seem his evaluation jives with my evaluation, which by the way was formed from watching his games not his combine. But, given that you posted a video from the combine, I used that to break it down for you. Feel free to refute my assessment with videos/breakdowns of your own.

I think he will be most effective in a rotation as a designated pass rusher, opposite another star player. 8-10 sacks per year, but without the ceiling to hit 15+. The best edge rushers can win inside of you, through you, and around you. I've previously posted that he displays enough ankle flexion to turn the corner when he's able to beat the tackle to their spot, but that'll happen fewer and further between at the NFL level, in my opinion, where we will see him ridden outside off his track more frequently.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I don't know man, 1.5 sacks in each season only 39 pressures on 315 pass snaps according to PFF. James Pearce has 19.5 sacks and 110 pressures in his career in college. But quite honestly they're two different DE's, it's not really fair to compare the two.

Sacks mean nothing if we get gashed in the run game.

We have Floyd who is similar to Pearce as a speed rusher.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I don't know man, 1.5 sacks in each season only 39 pressures on 315 pass snaps according to PFF. James Pearce has 19.5 sacks and 110 pressures in his career in college. But quite honestly they're two different DE's, it's not really fair to compare the two.

Sacks mean nothing if we get gashed in the run game.

We have Floyd who is similar to Pearce as a speed rusher.

i see Pearce being moved around easily by NFL linemen. i think you need to move him around to get pressure

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
From above mentioned Daniel Jeremiah:
Linear pass rusher...lack of bend...lacks bend...rushes from a linear track...tight hips

Mentioned 5 times in his scouting report

Lol like I said people are putting too much stock into bend, are you arguing that James Pearce Jr. doesn't have bend or he doesn't have bend like Brian Burns?

For me, you're acting like his game won't translate to the NFL, is that what you're saying?

Id argue that he'll never be your primary edge rusher; I don't think he has that ceiling. I have never seen him bend anywhere close to Brian Burns level, and i say he's league average in that regard. Pick 11 would be rich, imo.

You've never seen bend at Brian Burns level, you're basing this off some hoop drill and what people say. Do you have Brian Burns doing the hoop drill? And you don't think he'll ever be your primary pass rusher, why because YOU say he doesn't bend? Yet, you pointed out Daniel Jeremiah scouting report, the same Daniel Jeremiah that's comparing him to Brian Burns, do you see the contradiction here? Forget the comparisons, you don't see his get off at the LOS, speed, hand fighting and power in his play? You say stiff hips, lol did you not see him in coverage for a pick 6. Again, you're basing you opinion putting too much stock into the Combine, hence posting the hoop drill. lol

Im not sure why you're so combative and defensive of this dude lol. You asked my opinion, and I gave it to you. Your response is "why, because YOU say so?" Well, yea, because it's my opinion...as for the hoop drill, my brother, YOU posted the video of the hoop drill lol. You're using a clip of Baldy to showcase bend during the hoopdrill. I used the SAME hoop drill to provide you video evidence, or at least my interpretation of it, to refute him being a bendy pass rusher. From what I can tell, that was just Baldy talking as he was recording, not even going back to evaluate and give his thoughts...he's just talking/praising a young potential 1st round pick.

Not sure why I'd need Brian Burns hoop drill. Dude is ridiculously bendy.

Also, there is no contradiction RE daniel jeramiah, I'm merely posting verbiage from HIS scouting report. If he comped him to Burns (he might have, but I'm not sure where, his scouting report comps him do Odafe (Jason) Oweh), then that would be DJ contradicting himself, not me. It would seem his evaluation jives with my evaluation, which by the way was formed from watching his games not his combine. But, given that you posted a video from the combine, I used that to break it down for you. Feel free to refute my assessment with videos/breakdowns of your own.

I think he will be most effective in a rotation as a designated pass rusher, opposite another star player. 8-10 sacks per year, but without the ceiling to hit 15+. The best edge rushers can win inside of you, through you, and around you. I've previously posted that he displays enough ankle flexion to turn the corner when he's able to beat the tackle to their spot, but that'll happen fewer and further between at the NFL level, in my opinion, where we will see him ridden outside off his track more frequently.

Hey adrian, I apologize if I came off like dick and sounding aggressive and snarky. That was not my intent, been on this forum for over 20 years and every year it's the same .I'm always getting into it over NFL draft prospect. You're right, it's your opinion who am I to say otherwise.

As for the Daniel Jeremiah thing, I just thought it was contradiction that he was getting praise for his report about Pearce, but people were knocking for his comparison. Guess what here's the kicker that I just found out, it wasn't Jeremiah who compared him to Burns at the Combine, it was Rich Eisen. So I stand corrected on the contradicting part.

But I still stand by that Pearce is an effective pass rusher and wouldn't be mad if the 9ers took him in the 1st round. People think he's not effective in the run game, but the video I posted of his breakdown (In the Edge thread) shows otherwise. Anyway, hope this squashes this discussion, because I'd rather move on there's so many other prospects we can b***h about. Peace.

Have not seen this up until now. Apparently Pearce has some serious character concerns. How does that figure into this evaluation?

Thats a problem. Obviously need to look into these reports and confirm, but for me its a red line. You can sell Jermaine Burtons film and talent all day long, but im not wanting that player in my locker room.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Hey adrian, I apologize if I came off like dick and sounding aggressive and snarky. That was not my intent, been on this forum for over 20 years and every year it's the same .I'm always getting into it over NFL draft prospect. You're right, it's your opinion who am I to say otherwise.

As for the Daniel Jeremiah thing, I just thought it was contradiction that he was getting praise for his report about Pearce, but people were knocking for his comparison. Guess what here's the kicker that I just found out, it wasn't Jeremiah who compared him to Burns at the Combine, it was Rich Eisen. So I stand corrected on the contradicting part.

But I still stand by that Pearce is an effective pass rusher and wouldn't be mad if the 9ers took him in the 1st round. People think he's not effective in the run game, but the video I posted of his breakdown (In the Edge thread) shows otherwise. Anyway, hope this squashes this discussion, because I'd rather move on there's so many other prospects we can b***h about. Peace.

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Have not seen this up until now. Apparently Pearce has some serious character concerns. How does that figure into this evaluation?

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I highly doubt "worst character in the draft" otherwise people would know about it. Mike Green SA'd women on two different ocassions once in highschool and college which lead to him getting booted off his team. What could Pearce have possibly done that seemingly no one is aware of or even leaked reports of? You can't hide the most heinous things from the public but not scouts.