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2025 Draft Class: IDL

Apr 17, 2025 at 9:27 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
7. DT1 Derrick Harmon - OregonThe redshirt junior declare has undergone a long development process after starting at 360 pounds in high school and transferring from Michigan State. Now at 6'4", 313 pounds, Harmon is a versatile defensive lineman who lined up all over the line but profiles as a 3- and 5-technique mostly. His elite 17% pressure rate stands out among interior players, and he does it with arsenal of moves. His 34.4-inch arms are a clear advantage on tape, and it helps him stalk QBs as they move around the pocket and win on bull rushes. He has a good first step (4.95 forty), violent hands, and can even turn the corner when he's stunting. In a small sample of rushing from the A-gap, he had a wild 22% pressure rate and often split between centers and guards. As a run defender, he can hold his own and had above-average production with 58th percentile for solo tackles among DTs. As long as he can keep his weight down, Harmon has a case for an All Pro ceiling and the second-best pass rush chops in this class. ... Comps: Chris Jones, Leonard Williams, Christian Barmore



Harmon and Amos could very well be their first 2 picks
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Apr 17, 2025 at 9:47 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Heroism:
According to Matt Barrows, the 49ers brought in Peebles for a visit.

Bring me Harmon and peebles

That would be a hell of a way to kick off the rebuild of the IDL. I'd still like them to add one more guy whose strength is dominant run defense. Someone like Thor Griffith.

I have no feel whatsoever for where Peebles will go. I feel like the measurables say he should go early day 3, but some team may value him higher as pure pass-rushing demon and pull the trigger in round 3.
Apr 17, 2025 at 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Heroism:
According to Matt Barrows, the 49ers brought in Peebles for a visit.

Bring me Harmon and peebles

That would be a hell of a way to kick off the rebuild of the IDL. I'd still like them to add one more guy whose strength is dominant run defense. Someone like Thor Griffith.

I have no feel whatsoever for where Peebles will go. I feel like the measurables say he should go early day 3, but some team may value him higher as pure pass-rushing demon and pull the trigger in round 3.

The closer we get the more I feel like they are going to go Harmon or Mykel this would fill a void. The one player that keeps screwing up my mock draft plans for this year is Xavier Watts. I really like this kid but I think they would have to take him with the second round pick. What are your guys thoughts on him?
[ Edited by Izyniner on Apr 17, 2025 at 11:14 AM ]
Apr 17, 2025 at 3:26 PM
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Heroism:
According to Matt Barrows, the 49ers brought in Peebles for a visit.

Bring me Harmon and peebles

That would be a hell of a way to kick off the rebuild of the IDL. I'd still like them to add one more guy whose strength is dominant run defense. Someone like Thor Griffith.

I have no feel whatsoever for where Peebles will go. I feel like the measurables say he should go early day 3, but some team may value him higher as pure pass-rushing demon and pull the trigger in round 3.


As we get closer to the draft the more love he continues to get
Apr 17, 2025 at 3:48 PM
Originally posted by Izyniner:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Heroism:
According to Matt Barrows, the 49ers brought in Peebles for a visit.

Bring me Harmon and peebles

That would be a hell of a way to kick off the rebuild of the IDL. I'd still like them to add one more guy whose strength is dominant run defense. Someone like Thor Griffith.

I have no feel whatsoever for where Peebles will go. I feel like the measurables say he should go early day 3, but some team may value him higher as pure pass-rushing demon and pull the trigger in round 3.

The closer we get the more I feel like they are going to go Harmon or Mykel this would fill a void. The one player that keeps screwing up my mock draft plans for this year is Xavier Watts. I really like this kid but I think they would have to take him with the second round pick. What are your guys thoughts on him?

13 INT in 2 seasons 23-24 is pretty impressive.
Apr 17, 2025 at 4:00 PM
Originally posted by Izyniner:
The closer we get the more I feel like they are going to go Harmon or Mykel this would fill a void. The one player that keeps screwing up my mock draft plans for this year is Xavier Watts. I really like this kid but I think they would have to take him with the second round pick. What are your guys thoughts on him?

Love Watts. If you can move back to the 20s and get another pick in the 50s, it makes it more realistic.
Apr 18, 2025 at 1:10 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:

As we get closer to the draft the more love he continues to get

I don't know where they got this number but PFF has Harmon having:

- 43 hurries
- 7 hits
- 5 sacks

which makes a total 55 pressures,... which is even more impressive
there's only another DT in this draft class able to reach these numbers,... Deone Walker, who, even playing mainly as a NT, got 51 pressures (8 sacks, 39 hurries and 4 hits) in 2023

the more we are closing the draft day the more I'm convinced that with the 11th they have to take Nolen or Harmon,.... better after a trade down to get a couple more 3rd round picks
[ Edited by replikante on Apr 18, 2025 at 1:34 AM ]
Apr 18, 2025 at 7:07 AM
Originally posted by replikante:
I don't know where they got this number but PFF has Harmon having:

- 43 hurries
- 7 hits
- 5 sacks

which makes a total 55 pressures,... which is even more impressive
there's only another DT in this draft class able to reach these numbers,... Deone Walker, who, even playing mainly as a NT, got 51 pressures (8 sacks, 39 hurries and 4 hits) in 2023

the more we are closing the draft day the more I'm convinced that with the 11th they have to take Nolen or Harmon,.... better after a trade down to get a couple more 3rd round picks

I think it's Harmon or Mykel Williams.

Ive actually been playing around with trade scenarios to get two first round picks.

Mykel Williams AND Derrick Harmon. But I don't think Harmon falls to the 20's. I wish Mike Green checked out too because Harmon at 11 and Mike Green in the 20's would be perfect.

Speaking of Walker. What happened from 2023 to 2024? He wasn't the same player.
Apr 18, 2025 at 7:16 AM
Given our roster and the way these prospects project I am fine with Harmon at 11 if that's how it unfolds. I makes way more sense than a TE and a RB even if they are technically the better prospect. I also feel more comfortable taking Harmon vs an boom/bust EDGE since we have had next to zero luck developing any EDGE recently. So with that in mind they may as well just get a development EDGE later in the draft etc.
Apr 18, 2025 at 7:27 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I agree, but I also feel with ther crappier o line & QB play in the sport, more coaches will turn to the run game again which will naturally bring the RB back a bit. A lot of defenses today are smaller and faster so I see a lot of pieces in place for a mauling run team to have a lot of success. Or maybe I am just dreaming because I think the sport was better back in the 80's and 90's lol.

We were 6th in yard per attempt last yr, that's without CMC and a collection of whomever at RB.

this is where the problem is


Today's front page article is how i feel: https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/190244-trenches-49ers-cant-overlook-o-line/

I agree the run d is the biggest issue, but as the article stats the weak o line is just as important once the run d is shored up. This is why I am fine taking campbell, membou, or banks at 11 since they project to be good players and could start day 1.

After them then there is a drop off/injury flags with oline talent. Now for DT there are guys in round 5 who could contribute day 1. For me that's why I bias the offensive guys at 11.

Now they could go Harmon and I wouldnt be mad, then get an OT in rd2 or 3, but I would expect he needs a year to develop. Which I guess is ok, but rolling out brendel and mckvitiz again is insanity to me. Ultimately they need to draft multiple bodies for the trenches in hopes we hit on a few. Finding 2 starters on each line would be massive.
Apr 18, 2025 at 10:39 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Rathof44:
Definitely defense is a priority this draft. However, this draft is so deep with RB talent, I think it's a mistake not to add one. Obviously not in the top 3 rounds. But using their last pick in the 4th or either of their 5th rounders on a guy like Harvey, Giddens, or Tuten…would be extremely smart given the RB injury risk. And honestly those three guys are probably solid R3 picks any other year. IMO. .

Oh I'm not saying don't draft a RB. Take one every yr on day 3 (maybe late day 2 depending on who's there).

Don't use premium picks at RB.

💯. No need for premium pick on RB this year (or pretty much any year 😂) . Giddens, Harvey, Tuten could probably be had in the 4th. Blue or JCM even later.
[ Edited by Rathof44 on Apr 19, 2025 at 8:55 AM ]
Apr 22, 2025 at 10:14 PM
Scoured the internet to see if i can find more info on Harmon's alleged medical concerns and found this interview with Mike Garafolo saying it's something to do with his shoulder. He sure seems to downplay its seriousness saying it could cause him to "move down a little bit" lol wtf. Sounds like some team(s) is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill and get Harmon to slide to them.

[ Edited by Heroism on Apr 22, 2025 at 10:22 PM ]
Apr 22, 2025 at 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
7. DT1 Derrick Harmon - OregonThe redshirt junior declare has undergone a long development process after starting at 360 pounds in high school and transferring from Michigan State. Now at 6'4", 313 pounds, Harmon is a versatile defensive lineman who lined up all over the line but profiles as a 3- and 5-technique mostly. His elite 17% pressure rate stands out among interior players, and he does it with arsenal of moves. His 34.4-inch arms are a clear advantage on tape, and it helps him stalk QBs as they move around the pocket and win on bull rushes. He has a good first step (4.95 forty), violent hands, and can even turn the corner when he's stunting. In a small sample of rushing from the A-gap, he had a wild 22% pressure rate and often split between centers and guards. As a run defender, he can hold his own and had above-average production with 58th percentile for solo tackles among DTs. As long as he can keep his weight down, Harmon has a case for an All Pro ceiling and the second-best pass rush chops in this class. ... Comps: Chris Jones, Leonard Williams, Christian Barmore



Harmon and Amos could very well be their first 2 picks

That would be a frickin dream!!! But maybe they can get Azareye'h Thomas with the 75th pick after his disappointing 40 time.
Apr 23, 2025 at 4:17 AM
Originally posted by Heroism:
Scoured the internet to see if i can find more info on Harmon's alleged medical concerns and found this interview with Mike Garafolo saying it's something to do with his shoulder. He sure seems to downplay its seriousness saying it could cause him to "move down a little bit" lol wtf. Sounds like some team(s) is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill and get Harmon to slide to them.


lol well that's annoying and lame.

*maybe it's SF saying it lol. Push him down the board so they can find a way to snag him later
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Apr 23, 2025 at 4:17 AM ]
Apr 23, 2025 at 10:30 AM
I don't know if you guys are discussing this or not but Peter Schrager's mock released this morning completely omits Harmon from the 1st round. That is an eye opener. The guy is connected and this tell me the Harmon Medical stuff is real or at least Peter believes it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/story/_/id/44790164/2025-nfl-mock-draft-peter-schrager-first-round-predictions-32-picks-trades-buzz-qbs-sanders-ward-dart
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