2025 Draft Class: IDL

Originally posted by NYniner85:
That's all I'm saying. He's legit bigger than both Buck and AA (20lbs +) he's got length and massive hands. He's explosive and has twitch for a guy his size. They can line him up all over the DL.

no injury issues, improved throughout college, has great character and was the leader of that defense.

Analysts have been moving him up their draft boards all off season. Dane has him 16th overall, DJ has him 23rd now. A ton of them have him as DT#2.

when football minds say this…how could you not want that?

"He plays like a Raven or a Steeler. Off the tape, he reminds me of a young Cam Heyward but bigger." -- NFC executive

i want a good safe player that plays an impact position of need with my early pick. He fits that.

Yeah, exactly. Derrick Harmon is only 21 years old with room for growth in his development. This is a guy that isn't close to maxed out. His large frame allows him to get bigger and stronger heading into an NFL weight room as well as improving his technique to turn those pressures into sacks at the NFL level. He kind of reminds me of Defo in this aspect who had to improve his feet and hips to start racking up sacks.

His ceiling is higher than people think, and you can argue that his floor is the highest among the first-round IDL. Derrick Harmon is what the 49ers wanted in Javon Kinlaw.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
If we do avoid all of that in the 1st, just give me as many Texas guys as you can, with Swinson from LSU.

Collins, Broughton and Sorrell can all play. Simple fact is though, only the Rams have successfully started multiple rookies on their D-Line and had success, and I'm not seeing a Jared Verse in this class.

yeah, even if we do get a handful of talented D line guys - the idea of starting that many rookies on the D line is strange to me and most likely won't be great. I hope we get a veteran or two to help groom these guys and rotate.

more often than not, even if they're a talented player, need a season or so to polish up.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He isn't a reach. You have to hope any one you draft will be really good.

The worst thing we can do is swing for the fence. We need a player that's a day 1 starter and has the ability to become more.

Explain to me why Harmon can't be great? You've said this multiple times and haven't provided why.

im not saying he can be Chris Jones, but he's got that athletic profile and measurables. Harmon can play up and down that DL.

Derrick Harmon is in the company of a 3x Super Bowl champ 🙌

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he changed his body from his time at MSU to Oregon and played in a defense suited for his playing style. He went on to lead the nation in pressures at IDL.

if we can land a stud like Chris Jones... that would be incredible. he's the unsung hero of their title runs. dude is a complete show stopper. if we can get anything close to him.... i'd be in heaven.

Originally posted by Heroism:
People are sleeping on Harmon. He's a damn good player with damn good physical traits.

This is the guy…. I THINK….ive settled on

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He isn't a reach. You have to hope any one you draft will be really good.

The worst thing we can do is swing for the fence. We need a player that's a day 1 starter and has the ability to become more.

Explain to me why Harmon can't be great? You've said this multiple times and haven't provided why.

im not saying he can be Chris Jones, but he's got that athletic profile and measurables. Harmon can play up and down that DL.

Derrick Harmon is in the company of a 3x Super Bowl champ 🙌

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he changed his body from his time at MSU to Oregon and played in a defense suited for his playing style. He went on to lead the nation in pressures at IDL.

People are sleeping on Harmon. He's a damn good player with damn good physical traits.

Great.

Not nearly as good as Jeanty

So if he is off the board I can be alright with Harmon.

Besides - this draft is about them not drafting who we don't want... for me that's Stewart, Banks, and W Campbell.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Exactly. Harmon at 11 is a reach plain and simple and have to HOPE he is really good.

That's not good.

Harmon has little chance to be a superstar which is why I'm swinging for the fences even if not at a position of need. Jeanty better not be on the board if we go Harmon. If he is, trade back to someone who wants Jeanty like Denver and then pick Harmon if you want him.

Call should go like "You want Jeanty/Warren what will you give me because we prefer to trade back but we're taking him if we can't make a deal."

He isn't a reach. You have to hope any one you draft will be really good.

The worst thing we can do is swing for the fence. We need a player that's a day 1 starter and has the ability to become more.

Explain to me why Harmon can't be great? You've said this multiple times and haven't provided why.

im not saying he can be Chris Jones, but he's got that athletic profile and measurables. Harmon can play up and down that DL.

Derrick Harmon is in the company of a 3x Super Bowl champ 🙌

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he changed his body from his time at MSU to Oregon and played in a defense suited for his playing style. He went on to lead the nation in pressures at IDL.

Anybody CAN be great. A 5th rounder can be great.

Outside of Jeanty falling and being there - anyone you draft at 11 you have to hope he's great. Jeanty is just plain and simple the best player on the board by a sizable margin over the next tier of guys. I don't want to go RB at 11 but I'm not passing on that kind of talent. We have 10 other picks to grab IDL in a draft super deep at IDL.

Also, I disagree with the NEED to grab a starter at #11 if there is clearly someone markedly better on the board. Jeanty isnt a swing for the fence he is the best player and one of the safest picks in the draft to not bust. Would I prefer a starter on defense at 11? Hell yes. Do I want to pass on superior talent to realize thus preference? Hell no.

Jeanty prob won't be there anyways so it is moot... but if he is I just can't pass on him if I can't trade back. CMC is nearing the end and has major health concerns. Maybe drafting Jeanty and Kyle might actually let CMC share the damn load and get half the carries.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Anybody CAN be great. A 5th rounder can be great.

Outside of Jeanty falling and being there - anyone you draft at 11 you have to hope he's great. Jeanty is just plain and simple the best player on the board by a sizable margin over the next tier of guys. I don't want to go RB at 11 but I'm not passing on that kind of talent. We have 10 other picks to grab IDL in a draft super deep at IDL.

Also, I disagree with the NEED to grab a starter at #11 if there is clearly someone markedly better on the board. Jeanty isnt a swing for the fence he is the best player and one of the safest picks in the draft to not bust. Would I prefer a starter on defense at 11? Hell yes. Do I want to pass on superior talent to realize thus preference? Hell no.

Jeanty prob won't be there anyways so it is moot... but if he is I just can't pass on him if I can't trade back. CMC is nearing the end and has major health concerns. Maybe drafting Jeanty and Kyle might actually let CMC share the damn load and get half the carries.

Yeah let's look at all the massive success teams have been having (or had) that spent high end draft capital on the most replaceable position in sports

they can absolutely pass on him, why? Because they already have a OPOY guy that's making a f**k ton of cash. Because they can constantly find good RBs that fit this scheme (how many more times do you need to see this). Because RBs CONSISTENTLY get hurt. Because the shelf life of a RB is shorter than any other position. Because this draft is f**king stocked with starting level RBs. Because there's ALWAYS quality RBs that make it to FA…why? Because they're replaceable!

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Anybody CAN be great. A 5th rounder can be great.

Outside of Jeanty falling and being there - anyone you draft at 11 you have to hope he's great. Jeanty is just plain and simple the best player on the board by a sizable margin over the next tier of guys. I don't want to go RB at 11 but I'm not passing on that kind of talent. We have 10 other picks to grab IDL in a draft super deep at IDL.

Also, I disagree with the NEED to grab a starter at #11 if there is clearly someone markedly better on the board. Jeanty isnt a swing for the fence he is the best player and one of the safest picks in the draft to not bust. Would I prefer a starter on defense at 11? Hell yes. Do I want to pass on superior talent to realize thus preference? Hell no.

Jeanty prob won't be there anyways so it is moot... but if he is I just can't pass on him if I can't trade back. CMC is nearing the end and has major health concerns. Maybe drafting Jeanty and Kyle might actually let CMC share the damn load and get half the carries.

I like Judkins better than Jeanty, personally. Jeanty didn't impress in the playoff game, around 3 yards a carry. not great in pass pro, not a great receiver.
the 49ers don't draft RB's that high; the Shanahans track record is to go round 3 or beyond.
Jeanty was great in the Mountain West conference, that doesn't mean he'll be Jahmyr Gibbs in the NFL.

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Anybody CAN be great. A 5th rounder can be great.

Outside of Jeanty falling and being there - anyone you draft at 11 you have to hope he's great. Jeanty is just plain and simple the best player on the board by a sizable margin over the next tier of guys. I don't want to go RB at 11 but I'm not passing on that kind of talent. We have 10 other picks to grab IDL in a draft super deep at IDL.

Also, I disagree with the NEED to grab a starter at #11 if there is clearly someone markedly better on the board. Jeanty isnt a swing for the fence he is the best player and one of the safest picks in the draft to not bust. Would I prefer a starter on defense at 11? Hell yes. Do I want to pass on superior talent to realize thus preference? Hell no.

Jeanty prob won't be there anyways so it is moot... but if he is I just can't pass on him if I can't trade back. CMC is nearing the end and has major health concerns. Maybe drafting Jeanty and Kyle might actually let CMC share the damn load and get half the carries.

I like Judkins better than Jeanty, personally. Jeanty didn't impress in the playoff game, around 3 yards a carry. not great in pass pro, not a great receiver.
the 49ers don't draft RB's that high; the Shanahans track record is to go round 3 or beyond.
Jeanty was great in the Mountain West conference, that doesn't mean he'll be Jahmyr Gibbs in the NFL.

I have to wonder if you watched that game or just box score scouted it.

That game solidified his draft grade for me, you had a decent defence completely selling out to stop him, and he still churned out some great runs. Dude runs like a man possessed.

To each their own, but I don't know how you can watch both players and think Judkins is better.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Anybody CAN be great. A 5th rounder can be great.

Outside of Jeanty falling and being there - anyone you draft at 11 you have to hope he's great. Jeanty is just plain and simple the best player on the board by a sizable margin over the next tier of guys. I don't want to go RB at 11 but I'm not passing on that kind of talent. We have 10 other picks to grab IDL in a draft super deep at IDL.

Also, I disagree with the NEED to grab a starter at #11 if there is clearly someone markedly better on the board. Jeanty isnt a swing for the fence he is the best player and one of the safest picks in the draft to not bust. Would I prefer a starter on defense at 11? Hell yes. Do I want to pass on superior talent to realize thus preference? Hell no.

Jeanty prob won't be there anyways so it is moot... but if he is I just can't pass on him if I can't trade back. CMC is nearing the end and has major health concerns. Maybe drafting Jeanty and Kyle might actually let CMC share the damn load and get half the carries.

I like Judkins better than Jeanty, personally. Jeanty didn't impress in the playoff game, around 3 yards a carry. not great in pass pro, not a great receiver.
the 49ers don't draft RB's that high; the Shanahans track record is to go round 3 or beyond.
Jeanty was great in the Mountain West conference, that doesn't mean he'll be Jahmyr Gibbs in the NFL.

I have to wonder if you watched that game or just box score scouted it.

That game solidified his draft grade for me, you had a decent defence completely selling out to stop him, and he still churned out some great runs. Dude runs like a man possessed.

To each their own, but I don't know how you can watch both players and think Judkins is better.

I did watch the game, but some people might have different opinions than yours, lol shocking, I know.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Yeah, exactly. Derrick Harmon is only 21 years old with room for growth in his development. This is a guy that isn't close to maxed out. His large frame allows him to get bigger and stronger heading into an NFL weight room as well as improving his technique to turn those pressures into sacks at the NFL level. He kind of reminds me of Defo in this aspect who had to improve his feet and hips to start racking up sacks.

His ceiling is higher than people think, and you can argue that his floor is the highest among the first-round IDL. Derrick Harmon is what the 49ers wanted in Javon Kinlaw.

I was gonna add I think Harmon is who they wanted Kinlaw to be.

Give me a bigger Cameron Heyward for the next decade.

Originally posted by BP13:
I did watch the game, but some people might have different opinions than yours, lol shocking, I know.

I think Henderson and Kaleb Johnson fit this scheme perfectly. Those guys are 1,000 plus yard RBs here imo.

There's a handful of RBs that would be awesome here, that aren't gonna cost a top 11 pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BP13:
I did watch the game, but some people might have different opinions than yours, lol shocking, I know.

I think Henderson and Kaleb Johnson fit this scheme perfectly. Those guys are 1,000 plus yard RBs here imo.

There's a handful of RBs that would be awesome here, that aren't gonna cost a top 11 pick.

It would shock me if Henderson got out of the 1st round, so would you rather trade up for him than draft Jeanty? I like Kaleb Johnson, but we don't run anywhere near as much outside zone as we used to, and I'm not sure Johnson works well with any other blocking scheme, so do you go back to being one dimensional?

This RB class is stacked and it will lead to people to putting it off to later in the draft, but you still have to consider what top end talent looks like.

My ideal draft is Graham falling to us, pairing him with one of the run stuffing NT's by round 3, and taking one of my 3rd round graded RB's in the 4th. Harvey/Smith/Tuten or Jones.

Again no one is arguing to take an RB in the 1st, just not wanting to pass on a potential superstar without good enough reason.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BP13:
I did watch the game, but some people might have different opinions than yours, lol shocking, I know.

I think Henderson and Kaleb Johnson fit this scheme perfectly. Those guys are 1,000 plus yard RBs here imo.

There's a handful of RBs that would be awesome here, that aren't gonna cost a top 11 pick.

It would shock me if Henderson got out of the 1st round, so would you rather trade up for him than draft Jeanty? I like Kaleb Johnson, but we don't run anywhere near as much outside zone as we used to, and I'm not sure Johnson works well with any other blocking scheme, so do you go back to being one dimensional?

This RB class is stacked and it will lead to people to putting it off to later in the draft, but you still have to consider what top end talent looks like.

My ideal draft is Graham falling to us, pairing him with one of the run stuffing NT's by round 3, and taking one of my 3rd round graded RB's in the 4th. Harvey/Smith/Tuten or Jones.

Again no one is arguing to take an RB in the 1st, just not wanting to pass on a potential superstar without good enough reason.

No one is arguing to take a rb in the first? You just literally spent three pages arguing to take a rb at 11. What is this bizarro world?