2025 Draft Class: IDL

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Ole Miss DL Walter Nolen used the words "violent", "fast", & "disciplined" to describe his play style.#NFLDraft

— The Draft Network (@TheDraftNetwork) February 26, 2025

Ole Miss DT Walter Nolan said he's met with the 49ers. He grew up a fan of the 49ers and especially liked Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman.

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) February 26, 2025

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Ole Miss DL Walter Nolen on people that think he's too small to live within the interior:

"Ask the linemen that face me if they think I'm too small… especially once I get my hands on you. Once I do, you're going to feel me." pic.twitter.com/UAmwWgbeYR

— Ryan Fowler (@_RyanFowler_) February 26, 2025

He plays big, but I do wish he was bigger, especially for the wide 9. I think it's a fair concern in the wide 9 considering how difficult it is to hold up in this scheme when offenses are spamming doubles and combo blocks against our IDL. The Eagles' guards are 330 pounds and 360 pounds...

Originally posted by Heroism:
He plays big, but I do wish he was bigger, especially for the wide 9. I think it's a fair concern in the wide 9 considering how difficult it is to hold up in this scheme when offenses are spamming doubles and combo blocks against our IDL. The Eagles' guards are 330 pounds and 360 pounds...

FWIW 49ers have been using a lot of undersized DT's since Shanahan been the HC.

Sheldon Day - 6'1" 300lbs
Kevin Givens - 6'1" 290lbs
Julian Taylor - 6'5" 280lbs
DJ Jones - 6'0" 305lbs

Solomon Thomas - 6'3" 300 - played DT and DE

I wouldn't count out Nolen as the pick at #11.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
FWIW 49ers have been using a lot of undersized DT's since Shanahan been the HC.

Sheldon Day - 6'1" 300lbs
Kevin Givens - 6'1" 290lbs
Julian Taylor - 6'5" 280lbs
DJ Jones - 6'0" 305lbs

Solomon Thomas - 6'3" 300 - played DT and DE

I wouldn't count out Nolen as the pick at #11.

Which is exactly why they need to adjust their approach. These tiny IDL can't hold up against an onslaught of double teams. There's a reason all of these tiny IDL end up banged up throughout the season--they're not built to withstand the punishment of the wide 9. Inside zone and duo are the two primary runs teams use to attack the wide 9, which means the nose and 3 tech are going to face an avalanche of double teams. Hargrave experienced the physical effects of the wide 9 when he got here. He was running on fumes late in the year and playoffs in 2023 because he was gassed from taking on double teams. With teams pivoting back to running the ball, the 49ers really need to beef up their interior line, especially if they're serious about matching up with the Lions and Eagles.

btw I don't know where you're getting your numbers. DJ Jones was 320 pounds and the only one on that list that could consistently hold up against double teams. Givens is 285 pounds; Solomon Thomas 300? LOL.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
FWIW 49ers have been using a lot of undersized DT's since Shanahan been the HC.

Sheldon Day - 6'1" 300lbs
Kevin Givens - 6'1" 290lbs
Julian Taylor - 6'5" 280lbs
DJ Jones - 6'0" 305lbs

Solomon Thomas - 6'3" 300 - played DT and DE

I wouldn't count out Nolen as the pick at #11.

Which is exactly why they need to adjust their approach. These tiny IDL can't hold up against an onslaught of double teams. There's a reason all of these tiny IDL end up banged up throughout the season--they're not built to withstand the punishment of the wide 9. Hargrave got to experienced the effects of the wide 9 when he got here. He was running on fumes late in the year and playoffs in 2023 because he was gassed from taking on double teams. With teams pivoting back to running the ball, the 49ers really need to beef up their interior line.

btw I don't know where you're getting your numbers. DJ Jones was 320 pounds and the only one on that list that could consistently hold up against double teams. Givens is 285 pounds; Solomon Thomas 300? LOL.

Oh now I see what you're saying. Yah I would like to see them get more beef in the middle, but I think they could get those type of DT's later in the draft or in the 2nd. I'm liking Tyleik Williams, Nazir Stackhouse and Deone Walker, maybe along the lines of a 2nd to 5th round picks.

Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. I can't get this sequence of plays from the NFCC where DET ran DUO right at the 49ers 3 plays in a row...No more tiny IDL(I like Nolen but the concern is real).




get some beef. 320+ pounds please.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. I can't get this sequence of plays from the NFCC where DET ran DUO right at the 49ers 3 plays in a row...No more tiny IDL(I like Nolen but the concern is real).

The Lions running the Duo run concept three times in a row behind Penei Sewell. pic.twitter.com/czSlSAVlWg

— Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) January 29, 2024

get some beef. 320+ pounds please.

even if you get that beef, the IOL can just double team him and move him out the way.. i don't like some of the w9 spacing against runs.. just leaves open a too big of a IOL double team gap

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Ole Miss DL Walter Nolen on people that think he's too small to live within the interior:

"Ask the linemen that face me if they think I'm too small… especially once I get my hands on you. Once I do, you're going to feel me." pic.twitter.com/UAmwWgbeYR

— Ryan Fowler (@_RyanFowler_) February 26, 2025

He plays big, but I do wish he was bigger, especially for the wide 9. I think it's a fair concern in the wide 9 considering how difficult it is to hold up in this scheme when offenses are spamming doubles and combo blocks against our IDL. The Eagles' guards are 330 pounds and 360 pounds...

Isn't he roughly the size of Jalen Carter ? I don't know enough about him to say if he can hold up or not, but they can always grab that big plugger in round 4 or maybe bring jones back in FA FA
guess his size vs Carter size its irrelevant though as it pertains to the W9

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Isn't he roughly the size of Jalen Carter ? I don't know enough about him to say if he can hold up or not, but they can always grab that big plugger in round 4 or maybe bring jones back in FA FA
guess his size vs Carter size its irrelevant though as it pertains to the W9

Jalen Carter was 314 at the combine; Walter Nolen was 293 at the Senior Bowl. That's a big difference.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
FWIW 49ers have been using a lot of undersized DT's since Shanahan been the HC.

Sheldon Day - 6'1" 300lbs
Kevin Givens - 6'1" 290lbs
Julian Taylor - 6'5" 280lbs
DJ Jones - 6'0" 305lbs

Solomon Thomas - 6'3" 300 - played DT and DE

I wouldn't count out Nolen as the pick at #11.

Which is exactly why they need to adjust their approach. These tiny IDL can't hold up against an onslaught of double teams. There's a reason all of these tiny IDL end up banged up throughout the season--they're not built to withstand the punishment of the wide 9. Hargrave got to experienced the effects of the wide 9 when he got here. He was running on fumes late in the year and playoffs in 2023 because he was gassed from taking on double teams. With teams pivoting back to running the ball, the 49ers really need to beef up their interior line.

btw I don't know where you're getting your numbers. DJ Jones was 320 pounds and the only one on that list that could consistently hold up against double teams. Givens is 285 pounds; Solomon Thomas 300? LOL.

Oh now I see what you're saying. Yah I would like to see them get more beef in the middle, but I think they could get those type of DT's later in the draft or in the 2nd. I'm liking Tyleik Williams, Nazir Stackhouse and Deone Walker, maybe along the lines of a 2nd to 5th round picks.

Right I think they can do both. Nolen and a bigger man later.

also I get that folks think we just let people run all over us, but if we're looking at YPC these are our stats since 2021

24-6th
23-6th
22-1st
21-4th

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Isn't he roughly the size of Jalen Carter ? I don't know enough about him to say if he can hold up or not, but they can always grab that big plugger in round 4 or maybe bring jones back in FA FA
guess his size vs Carter size its irrelevant though as it pertains to the W9

Jalen Carter was 314 at the combine; Walter Nolen was 293 at the Senior Bowl. That's a big difference.

s**t I thought they had Nolen at 306 . Yeah that's substantial difference

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Right I think they can do both. Nolen and a bigger man later.

also I get that folks think we just let people run all over us, but if we're looking at YPC these are our stats since 2021

24-6th
23-6th
22-1st
21-4th

You know me. I don't care about stats or rankings. I just focus on tape, and the tape has shown an awful run defense since 2023 that was masked by how explosive and prolific the offense was that season. Teams couldn't stick to running the rock because the Niners' offense kept jumping on everyone, but they couldn't hide it in the playoffs. I don't need to explain 2024 run defense. That s**t was ASS.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Isn't he roughly the size of Jalen Carter ? I don't know enough about him to say if he can hold up or not, but they can always grab that big plugger in round 4 or maybe bring jones back in FA FA
guess his size vs Carter size its irrelevant though as it pertains to the W9

Jalen Carter was 314 at the combine; Walter Nolen was 293 at the Senior Bowl. That's a big difference.

I know you're gonna hate this (PFF) analytics have Carter graded out awful vs the run. One of the best interior pass rushers in the league though.

Cameron Heyward is like 6-5 295 and one of the best run defenders in the league (still). Kobbie Turner also graded out top 10 and he's 6-2 288.

im with ya get more beef, I also think SF needs to get multiple IDL

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I know you're gonna hate this (PFF) analytics have Carter graded out awful vs the run. One of the best interior pass rushers in the league though.

Cameron Heyward is like 6-5 295 and one of the best run defenders in the league (still). Kobbie Turner also graded out top 10 and he's 6-2 288.

im with ya get more beef, I also think SF needs to get multiple IDL

This is why run grades and all that stuff should be taken with a grain of salt. You got to factor in scheme for everyone. Heyward and Turner play in a 5-man front. Totally different than what our guys do here.

Originally posted by Heroism:
You know me. I don't care about stats or rankings. I just focus on tape, and the tape has shown an awful run defense since 2023 that was masked by how explosive and prolific the offense was that season, but they couldn't hide it in the playoffs. I don't need to explain 2024 run defense. That s**t was ASS.

Oh I agree. I also don't think yard per carry is a nothing burger. Especially when you're ranked #1 in the league.

I also don't see Nolan as a poor run defender and I think he has the frame to pack on a couple extra Lbs without it costing his explosive ability… I would like to add a couple IDL for sure