The Mason Graham-DT-Michigan The Dream is Dead!

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Since07:
Leonard Williams has played DE most of his career I believe and Vita Vea is more of a pure NT. I think what separates Graham is he shows he can defend the run while also being fast and agile as a DT at 320lbs. 4-5 sacks and 50 tackles is actually pretty good for a DT. I think what makes Graham so valuable is he has such a high floor and ceiling.

Well we had a 50 tackle, 5 sack DT in Maliek Collins and cut him. Granted, he was terrible as a run defender but still.

To me, we can get that production from someone in the 2nd/3rd round. Or late 1st after a trade down. There is a reason why there has been what 5 DT's taken in the top 10 this decade.

Derrick Harmon
Tyleik Williams
Walter Nolan
Kenneth Grant
TJ Sanders
Alfred Collins
Omar Norman Lott
Darius Alexander
Shemar Turner
Jordan Phillips
Josh Farmer
Jamaree Caldwell
Aeneas Peebles
Ty Robinson
Vernon Broughton
CJ West

All these guys can probably start and make an impact. Will a guy like Mason Graham really move the needle that much more than most of those guys on that list?

There are a lot of good DT prospects that we can get later I'll give you that but again I go back to the high floor high ceiling. Say he does fall to 11 you take him or go another route? If so who do you want at 11? I know you're not a fan of taking OL either at 11

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Since07:
Leonard Williams has played DE most of his career I believe and Vita Vea is more of a pure NT. I think what separates Graham is he shows he can defend the run while also being fast and agile as a DT at 320lbs. 4-5 sacks and 50 tackles is actually pretty good for a DT. I think what makes Graham so valuable is he has such a high floor and ceiling.

Well we had a 50 tackle, 5 sack DT in Maliek Collins and cut him. Granted, he was terrible as a run defender but still.

To me, we can get that production from someone in the 2nd/3rd round. Or late 1st after a trade down. There is a reason why there has been what 5 DT's taken in the top 10 this decade.

Derrick Harmon
Tyleik Williams
Walter Nolan
Kenneth Grant
TJ Sanders
Alfred Collins
Omar Norman Lott
Darius Alexander
Shemar Turner
Jordan Phillips
Josh Farmer
Jamaree Caldwell
Aeneas Peebles
Ty Robinson
Vernon Broughton
CJ West

All these guys can probably start and make an impact. Will a guy like Mason Graham really move the needle that much more than most of those guys on that list?

There are a lot of good DT prospects that we can get later I'll give you that but again I go back to the high floor high ceiling. Say he does fall to 11 you take him or go another route? If so who do you want at 11? I know you're not a fan of taking OL either at 11

If Graham is there at 11 you take him. Don't even blink. I can't see us trading up, even if he falls to 9 or 10.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Since07:
Leonard Williams has played DE most of his career I believe and Vita Vea is more of a pure NT. I think what separates Graham is he shows he can defend the run while also being fast and agile as a DT at 320lbs. 4-5 sacks and 50 tackles is actually pretty good for a DT. I think what makes Graham so valuable is he has such a high floor and ceiling.

Well we had a 50 tackle, 5 sack DT in Maliek Collins and cut him. Granted, he was terrible as a run defender but still.

To me, we can get that production from someone in the 2nd/3rd round. Or late 1st after a trade down. There is a reason why there has been what 5 DT's taken in the top 10 this decade.

Derrick Harmon
Tyleik Williams
Walter Nolan
Kenneth Grant
TJ Sanders
Alfred Collins
Omar Norman Lott
Darius Alexander
Shemar Turner
Jordan Phillips
Josh Farmer
Jamaree Caldwell
Aeneas Peebles
Ty Robinson
Vernon Broughton
CJ West

All these guys can probably start and make an impact. Will a guy like Mason Graham really move the needle that much more than most of those guys on that list?

There are a lot of good DT prospects that we can get later I'll give you that but again I go back to the high floor high ceiling. Say he does fall to 11 you take him or go another route? If so who do you want at 11? I know you're not a fan of taking OL either at 11

Ya I mean if Graham is there he would be a safe pick. Derrick Harmon is also rising on draft boards.

And I wouldn't be surprised at all if we went edge. Shemar Stewart, Mykel Williams or Mike Green (if his off field stuff checks out)

Derrick Harmon was always my 1st choice at 11 though. I think he offers more pass rush than Mason. But I'd be ok with either.

I don't think this guy is the answer. I think I'm getting Solomon Thomas vibes from Graham.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I don't think this guy is the answer. I think I'm getting Solomon Thomas vibes from Graham.

That comparison doesn't make a lick of sense but go off.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I don't think this guy is the answer. I think I'm getting Solomon Thomas vibes from Graham.

Dude is almost 30lbs bigger. What a horrible comp

The draft is tomorrow and weakness is seeping into my mind. If Graham is within striking distance...I wouldn't be mad if Lynch jumped up to grab him. Imagine how good fans and the organization will feel on Friday going into day 2 knowing Mason Graham is a 49er.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The draft is tomorrow and weakness is seeping into my mind. If Graham is within striking distance...I wouldn't be mad if Lynch jumped up to grab him. Imagine how good fans and the organization will feel on Friday going into day 2 knowing Mason Graham is a 49er.

I'm in, don't trade #43, but anything else is fine by me, 3rd this year and next would work.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The draft is tomorrow and weakness is seeping into my mind. If Graham is within striking distance...I wouldn't be mad if Lynch jumped up to grab him. Imagine how good fans and the organization will feel on Friday going into day 2 knowing Mason Graham is a 49er.

patience, grasshopper

I could see Lynch trying to trade up but not for Graham, for Carter actually at 3. They're not affraid to make that type of move. I also remember people laughing at Caserio when he made his trade up for Will Anderson Jr and who is laughing now?
I know it sounds crazy but they're capable of doing something like that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I don't think this guy is the answer. I think I'm getting Solomon Thomas vibes from Graham.

That comparison doesn't make a lick of sense but go off.

More Christian Wilkins. Bigger Grady Jarett.

Originally posted by pdc20:
I could see Lynch trying to trade up but not for Graham, for Carter actually at 3. They're not affraid to make that type of move. I also remember people laughing at Caserio when he made his trade up for Will Anderson Jr and who is laughing now?
I know it sounds crazy but they're capable of doing something like that.

I don't think Carter is a great fir for the 49ers' scheme. Lynch basically summed it up yesterday when he emphasized the ability to set hard edges and play with power. That's not Carter. Also, the asking price to go from 11 to 3 would be too much and could cripple the rest of the 49ers' draft.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
patience, grasshopper

What I'm basically saying is the 49ers need to do their due diligence and work the phones if Graham gets past 5. If the asking price is low, they need to be cognizant of that and make sure they don't leapfrogged by a team for a measly cost.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by pdc20:
I could see Lynch trying to trade up but not for Graham, for Carter actually at 3. They're not affraid to make that type of move. I also remember people laughing at Caserio when he made his trade up for Will Anderson Jr and who is laughing now?
I know it sounds crazy but they're capable of doing something like that.

I don't think Carter is a great for the 49ers. Also, the asking price to go from 11 to 3 would be too much and could cripple the 49ers draft.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
patience, grasshopper

What I'm basically saying is the 49ers need to do their due diligence and work the phones if Graham gets past 5. If the asking price is low, they need to be cognizant of that and make sure they don't leapfrogged by a team for measly cost.

you may be right. now what do you think about the availability of edge vs IDL? my understanding is edge is the premium position. so we may want edge round 1, and IDL day 2 and day 3. i would kinda like to double down on IDL with graham and then another selection later. but we may not get an edge.

Originally posted by Heroism:
The draft is tomorrow and weakness is seeping into my mind. If Graham is within striking distance...I wouldn't be mad if Lynch jumped up to grab him. Imagine how good fans and the organization will feel on Friday going into day 2 knowing Mason Graham is a 49er.

Drafting Graham would be an automatic successful draft same as 2019. They absolutely need one of those again.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Since07:
Leonard Williams has played DE most of his career I believe and Vita Vea is more of a pure NT. I think what separates Graham is he shows he can defend the run while also being fast and agile as a DT at 320lbs. 4-5 sacks and 50 tackles is actually pretty good for a DT. I think what makes Graham so valuable is he has such a high floor and ceiling.

Well we had a 50 tackle, 5 sack DT in Maliek Collins and cut him. Granted, he was terrible as a run defender but still.

To me, we can get that production from someone in the 2nd/3rd round. Or late 1st after a trade down. There is a reason why there has been what 5 DT's taken in the top 10 this decade.

Derrick Harmon
Tyleik Williams
Walter Nolan
Kenneth Grant
TJ Sanders
Alfred Collins
Omar Norman Lott
Darius Alexander
Shemar Turner
Jordan Phillips
Josh Farmer
Jamaree Caldwell
Aeneas Peebles
Ty Robinson
Vernon Broughton
CJ West

All these guys can probably start and make an impact. Will a guy like Mason Graham really move the needle that much more than most of those guys on that list?

There are a lot of good DT prospects that we can get later I'll give you that but again I go back to the high floor high ceiling. Say he does fall to 11 you take him or go another route? If so who do you want at 11? I know you're not a fan of taking OL either at 11

Ya I mean if Graham is there he would be a safe pick. Derrick Harmon is also rising on draft boards.

And I wouldn't be surprised at all if we went edge. Shemar Stewart, Mykel Williams or Mike Green (if his off field stuff checks out)

Derrick Harmon was always my 1st choice at 11 though. I think he offers more pass rush than Mason. But I'd be ok with either.

I think the fact there are no obvious picks there at 11 speaks to the overall depth of the class. I don't know whether anyone is elite but the depth seems to be there. If you look just at the past Derrick Harmon has the body type they've looked for, so there is that. I like Mason Graham's mentality and think its what this team needs, but I wouldn't care if it was Harmon either. Stewart would be the ultimate gamble.