The Mason Graham-DT-Michigan The Dream is Dead!

Originally posted by Oscar8325:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I don't see Aaron Donald at all. He reminds me more of like Quinnen Williams. I think there's a real chance he falls to 11. The physical traits aren't that impressive, and we all know teams are suckers for traits. There were a ton older mocks that have him going to Jacksonville, which makes no sense before Baalke was fired. There's no chance in hell Baalke would've drafted this dude at 5 with those measurables.

seriously? All I see is Aaron Donald. Stocky. Quick feet/hand
hope you're right and he does drop

Even if he did drop, I can see another team moving up ahead of us to get him. I wanted Walter Nolan but apparently he has some major behavior issues.

I see that happening as well. Nolan is a stud as well. Not sure about behavior issues. Just know he transferred to different school but who doesn't anymore.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
296 lbs

Not a problem in the least.

Exactly, and it could mean he got in shape. Wasn't there a story that he put on weight or something like that? Such BS!!

I think 296 is fine, but a lot of folks wanted a bigger DT and a 25lb difference is a big deal.

It's a big deal for Graham but not Nolen? No one is passing on Graham due to his Combine weight.

No one was talking about Nolen as a top 5 pick. People saying he's small. but he's damn near the same weight . Graham isn't close to a perfect prospect.

When you think a guy is 320 and moved like he does turns out to be almost 25lbs smaller, it absolutely makes you reevaluate him.

imo I don't think he's a slam dunk top 5 pick. I also wouldn't hate for him to be a Niner all said and done

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
seriously? All I see is Aaron Donald. Stocky. Quick feet/hand
hope you're right and he does drop

Originally posted by genus49:
We watched Aaron Donald absolutely dominate the league for years well under 300 lbs. Technique and man strength can go a long way to accounting for the missing size.

Of course Graham very likely isn't the athletic specimen that AD was so his technique will have to be that much better. All I know is if he does fall to 11(still doubt this) we should jump all over him and be thrilled about it.

Why are people tossing out Donald likenesses with Graham? He's a quality prospect and in a draft that isn't top heavy, will go higher than he would most drafts.

he is not Donald. Aaron had 27.5 sacks 65TFL in 3 yrs while Graham had 9 sacks and 18TFL. Also Mason had 5 star prospects surrounding him while he was there.

big fan of Mason in this draft, folks gotta calm down with the Donald stuff.

I'm down with Nolen or Graham at 11

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why are people tossing out Donald likenesses with Graham? He's a quality prospect and in a draft that isn't top heavy, will go higher than he would most drafts.

he is not Donald. Aaron had 27.5 sacks 65TFL in 3 yrs while Graham had 9 sacks and 18TFL. Also Mason had 5 star prospects surrounding him while he was there.

big fan of Mason in this draft, folks gotta calm down with the Donald stuff.

For real. People need to stop bringing up Aaron Donald period in draft comps. Donald was an alien, and we'll likely never see another player like him. After he retired, he said he played around 250 to 260 pounds. Dude was fire hydrant made up of only fast-twitch muscle. Let's never comp anyone to him again please.

I like Mason Graham, so please do not try to twist what I'm saying as if I don't want him to be a Niner because I do. But let's keep it real--dude isn't built anything like Donald. He's kind of got that soggy, cornfed build.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
seriously? All I see is Aaron Donald. Stocky. Quick feet/hand
hope you're right and he does drop

Originally posted by genus49:
We watched Aaron Donald absolutely dominate the league for years well under 300 lbs. Technique and man strength can go a long way to accounting for the missing size.

Of course Graham very likely isn't the athletic specimen that AD was so his technique will have to be that much better. All I know is if he does fall to 11(still doubt this) we should jump all over him and be thrilled about it.

Why are people tossing out Donald likenesses with Graham? He's a quality prospect and in a draft that isn't top heavy, will go higher than he would most drafts.

he is not Donald. Aaron had 27.5 sacks 65TFL in 3 yrs while Graham had 9 sacks and 18TFL. Also Mason had 5 star prospects surrounding him while he was there.

big fan of Mason in this draft, folks gotta calm down with the Donald stuff.

Uh he did not have 5 star prospects surrounding him, he made that defense. Will Johson was the only 5 star and he missed more than half the season. Grant was a 3 star.
Donald was drafted 13th overall, teams weren't screaming up the draft board to get him. Donald may be a reach but Graham would be homerun pick for a position we deeply need.

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
seriously? All I see is Aaron Donald. Stocky. Quick feet/hand
hope you're right and he does drop

Originally posted by genus49:
We watched Aaron Donald absolutely dominate the league for years well under 300 lbs. Technique and man strength can go a long way to accounting for the missing size.

Of course Graham very likely isn't the athletic specimen that AD was so his technique will have to be that much better. All I know is if he does fall to 11(still doubt this) we should jump all over him and be thrilled about it.

Why are people tossing out Donald likenesses with Graham? He's a quality prospect and in a draft that isn't top heavy, will go higher than he would most drafts.

he is not Donald. Aaron had 27.5 sacks 65TFL in 3 yrs while Graham had 9 sacks and 18TFL. Also Mason had 5 star prospects surrounding him while he was there.

big fan of Mason in this draft, folks gotta calm down with the Donald stuff.

Uh he did not have 5 star prospects surrounding him, he made that defense. Will Johson was the only 5 star and he missed more than half the season. Grant was a 3 star.
Donald was drafted 13th overall, teams weren't screaming up the draft board to get him. Donald may be a reach but Graham would be homerun pick for a position we deeply need.

As a Michigan fan I approve this message. Not sure what 5 stars on Michigan's line he's referring too. Kris Jenkins was a 3 star, and Mazi Smith was a 4 star

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
seriously? All I see is Aaron Donald. Stocky. Quick feet/hand
hope you're right and he does drop

Originally posted by genus49:
We watched Aaron Donald absolutely dominate the league for years well under 300 lbs. Technique and man strength can go a long way to accounting for the missing size.

Of course Graham very likely isn't the athletic specimen that AD was so his technique will have to be that much better. All I know is if he does fall to 11(still doubt this) we should jump all over him and be thrilled about it.

Why are people tossing out Donald likenesses with Graham? He's a quality prospect and in a draft that isn't top heavy, will go higher than he would most drafts.

he is not Donald. Aaron had 27.5 sacks 65TFL in 3 yrs while Graham had 9 sacks and 18TFL. Also Mason had 5 star prospects surrounding him while he was there.

big fan of Mason in this draft, folks gotta calm down with the Donald stuff.

Uh he did not have 5 star prospects surrounding him, he made that defense. Will Johson was the only 5 star and he missed more than half the season. Grant was a 3 star.
Donald was drafted 13th overall, teams weren't screaming up the draft board to get him. Donald may be a reach but Graham would be homerun pick for a position we deeply need.

As a Michigan fan I approve this message. Not sure what 5 stars on Michigan's line he's referring too. Kris Jenkins was a 3 star, and Mazi Smith was a 4 star

Same, die hard Michigan fan. So yes I am a little bias. Go Blue!

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why are people tossing out Donald likenesses with Graham? He's a quality prospect and in a draft that isn't top heavy, will go higher than he would most drafts.

he is not Donald. Aaron had 27.5 sacks 65TFL in 3 yrs while Graham had 9 sacks and 18TFL. Also Mason had 5 star prospects surrounding him while he was there.

big fan of Mason in this draft, folks gotta calm down with the Donald stuff.

For real. People need to stop bringing up Aaron Donald period in draft comps. Donald was an alien, and we'll likely never see another player like him. After he retired, he said he played around 250 to 260 pounds. Dude was fire hydrant made up of only fast-twitch muscle. Let's never comp anyone to him again please.

I like Mason Graham, so please do not try to twist what I'm saying as if I don't want him to be a Niner because I do. But let's keep it real--dude isn't built anything like Donald. He's kind of got that soggy, cornfed build.

Totally agree. No more Donald comps and I'm down for mason in this draft.

soggy cornfed build 🤣

Originally posted by ChuckLeavy32:
Uh he did not have 5 star prospects surrounding him, he made that defense. Will Johson was the only 5 star and he missed more than half the season. Grant was a 3 star.
Donald was drafted 13th overall, teams weren't screaming up the draft board to get him. Donald may be a reach but Graham would be homerun pick for a position we deeply need.

Omg you know what I mean. He's had much higher level talent around him vs Aaron at Pittsburgh. Let's stop acting like smith/grant and Jenkins weren't on the freak list lol.

No one is saying Graham stinks. I love him in this draft. Dude would be a home run pick. Acting like he's aaron Donald 2.0 is in fact silly.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why are people tossing out Donald likenesses with Graham? He's a quality prospect and in a draft that isn't top heavy, will go higher than he would most drafts.

he is not Donald. Aaron had 27.5 sacks 65TFL in 3 yrs while Graham had 9 sacks and 18TFL. Also Mason had 5 star prospects surrounding him while he was there.

big fan of Mason in this draft, folks gotta calm down with the Donald stuff.

I think the Donald comps were just about weight.

Someone was concerned with Graham being under 300 and then someone else said you would have missed out on Aaron Donald if you were concerned with 300+ pounders.

I don't think anyone was comparing Graham to Donald

Are DT with short arms a problem? Mason has 32-inch arms, that places him in the 12th percentile for DTs. I too want the next Justin Smith not necessarily the next Braden FIske.

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
Are DT with short arms a problem? Mason has 32-inch arms, that places him in the 12th percentile for DTs. I too want the next Justin Smith not necessarily the next Braden FIske.

Not sure if you intentionally mentioned Justin Smith, but he also had 32 inch arms. The lack of length will absolutely be an issue for some teams, but IMO, lacking length is only an issue if a player sucks with his hands ands feet. Graham is very, very good with his hands and feet.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:
Are DT with short arms a problem? Mason has 32-inch arms, that places him in the 12th percentile for DTs. I too want the next Justin Smith not necessarily the next Braden FIske.

Not sure if you intentionally mentioned Justin Smith, but he also had 32 inch arms. The lack of length will absolutely be an issue for some teams, but IMO, lacking length is only an issue if a player sucks with his hands ands feet. Graham is very, very good with his hands and feet.

This is where teams ruin their draft, overthinking it. Arm length, hand size etc., if a kid can play he can play regardless of all that BS. This kid Graham can play I just don't think he'll last till #11.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I think the Donald comps were just about weight.

Someone was concerned with Graham being under 300 and then someone else said you would have missed out on Aaron Donald if you were concerned with 300+ pounders.

I don't think anyone was comparing Graham to Donald

Part of what people like with Graham was that he was 320lbs and moved like he was 290lbs.

people have been calling TJ sanders small throughout the draft process and he came in heavier.

I like Graham and would love for him to drop, not sure why people have to attach anything to Donald with him.