The Davis Mills Superfans Thread!

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, ill just add that the coach matters too. If you look at all the hall of fame football coaches, they are all usually associated with hall of fame QBs.

Good coaches can spot a QB that will fit his *system* and build a team around that QB to enable that QB to win. I think QB is probably the hardest position to project and evaluate from college because its 90% intangibles that make a successful QB.

I think one of the keys to getting a Franchise QB is getting a good football coach.

Yeah.. tend to agree. But then some of the great coaches have their own misses right. Walsh had Montana and Young (by way of trade) were home runs. But then he picked Carmazzi instead of Brady (who would have thought). Kyle "reached" for Beathard even for a third and didn't seem to develop after 4 years. Even if he turns out as a good backup at the most, it would have been worth it IMO. But now, we're most likely moving on from him. It happens to every team. Look what happened to the massive Goff and Wentz trade up not too long ago. The price you pay if it works out, it's awesome. And if doesn't ...

Good teams remedy those mistakes. That's why the Rams traded for Stafford. It's why the Broncos signed Manning. It's why the Cardinals drafted Murray.

Heck, some teams get another QB before they've even had a chance to evaluate their new one. For example, Seattle drafted Wilson after giving a huge contract to another QB. But they didn't let themselves get hamstrung by the contract: they played the best guy.

You can either retreat in fear and no longer risk anything to upgrade the position, or you can count your lumps and then try again.

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Yeah, I don't mind trading up for sure but then I won't close the door just because he was a 3rd rounder either. I just hope that we pick the right one and they develop. Looks like the team has enough pass protection (I hope) with the return of TW and the signing of AM. If they can add couple more studs in that unit along with our weapons I think whoever gets drafted (Lance, Jones etc.) will be in a good spot.

I just can't fathom the idea that a 3rd rd pick is the plan for the future of the team...you've passed on some very high end quality QBs and the "plan" is to wait until pick 100 and something to get the most important position in sports figured out? IMO that's coming off a pretty cocky/ignorant from out FO/HC lol.

Also it's not me saying Mills is some horrible prospect. I don't really see anything that special or what separates him from say Rosen, who's already on the team?

I hope they go in a different direction with a fields/Lance type talent....but they probably end up trading down and grabbing their 100th DL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Yeah, I don't mind trading up for sure but then I won't close the door just because he was a 3rd rounder either. I just hope that we pick the right one and they develop. Looks like the team has enough pass protection (I hope) with the return of TW and the signing of AM. If they can add couple more studs in that unit along with our weapons I think whoever gets drafted (Lance, Jones etc.) will be in a good spot.

I just can't fathom the idea that a 3rd rd pick is the plan for the future of the team...you've passed on some very high end quality QBs and the "plan" is to wait until pick 100 and something to get the most important position in sports figured out? IMO that's coming off a pretty cocky/ignorant from out FO/HC lol.

Also it's not me saying Mills is some horrible prospect. I don't really see anything that special or what separates him from say Rosen, who's already on the team?

I hope they go in a different direction with a fields/Lance type talent....but they probably end up trading down and grabbing their 100th DL.

When we discuss traits, especially those of the top 4 QBs int he draft, as a prospect, Mills may have been a serious player had he played for an offense like Oregon or any of the SEC teams. Put Mills in Florida to start over Trask and run that offense, maybe he's considered a 1st round prospect. Maybe it's the uncertainty of his health that make teams worry? Regardless, you have a QB with those traits you want (mobile, accurate, pretty strong arm) and you trust your coach to get the absolute best out of him, then why be so bummed about the selection just because he isn't considered a 1st round prospect due to the circumstances he faced?

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
When we discuss traits, especially those of the top 4 QBs int he draft, as a prospect, Mills may have been a serious player had he played for an offense like Oregon or any of the SEC teams. Put Mills in Florida to start over Trask and run that offense, maybe he's considered a 1st round prospect. Maybe it's the uncertainty of his health that make teams worry? Regardless, you have a QB with those traits you want (mobile, accurate, pretty strong arm) and you trust your coach to get the absolute best out of him, then why be so bummed about the selection just because he isn't considered a 1st round prospect due to the circumstances he faced?

Because I don't see any special traits from Mills? Nothing that overwhelms me when I watch him. Like I said we already have Josh Rosen if those are the traits we're looking for.

I think Jarrett Stidham is a dead on comp for him...that does a bunch of nothing for me. I get it you're a Stanford guy, but no more thinking we can get by with avg talent level prospects because we're afraid to actually invest in the most important position in sports.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
When we discuss traits, especially those of the top 4 QBs int he draft, as a prospect, Mills may have been a serious player had he played for an offense like Oregon or any of the SEC teams. Put Mills in Florida to start over Trask and run that offense, maybe he's considered a 1st round prospect. Maybe it's the uncertainty of his health that make teams worry? Regardless, you have a QB with those traits you want (mobile, accurate, pretty strong arm) and you trust your coach to get the absolute best out of him, then why be so bummed about the selection just because he isn't considered a 1st round prospect due to the circumstances he faced?

Because I don't see any special traits from Mills? Nothing that overwhelms me when I watch him. Like I said we already have Josh Rosen if those are the traits we're looking for.

I think Jarrett Stidham is a dead on comp for him...that does a bunch of nothing for me. I get it you're a Stanford guy, but no more thinking we can get by with avg talent level prospects because we're afraid to actually invest in the most important position in sports.

Not afraid? You've seen me in the other QB threads. Fields, Lance, Mac. You know my stances with each. Maybe it's because I can see MIlls' potential that I think he can really succeed in an offense that can get really aggressive like Shanahan's. I don't see a Stidham comp, honestly. I think Mills is more athletic and better mechanics obviously coming from David Shaw. He also reads the field better when comparing to how Stidham played his last season at Auburn. One huge gripe I had with Stidham was how often he stared his receivers down as if it was he was getting flashed by Salma Hayek.

If I had to make an NFL comp for Mills, floor is Andy Dalton and ceiling is a cross between Matt Hasselbeck and Tony Romo.

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
Not afraid?

It was more a broad statement not necessarily directed at you.

IMO we might as well keep who we have and pass on QB all together if the plan isn't to take one of the top 4 guys.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, ill just add that the coach matters too. If you look at all the hall of fame football coaches, they are all usually associated with hall of fame QBs.

Good coaches can spot a QB that will fit his *system* and build a team around that QB to enable that QB to win. I think QB is probably the hardest position to project and evaluate from college because its 90% intangibles that make a successful QB.

I think one of the keys to getting a Franchise QB is getting a good football coach.

Yeah.. tend to agree. But then some of the great coaches have their own misses right. Walsh had Montana and Young (by way of trade) were home runs. But then he picked Carmazzi instead of Brady (who would have thought). Kyle "reached" for Beathard even for a third and didn't seem to develop after 4 years. Even if he turns out as a good backup at the most, it would have been worth it IMO. But now, we're most likely moving on from him. It happens to every team. Look what happened to the massive Goff and Wentz trade up not too long ago. The price you pay if it works out, it's awesome. And if doesn't ...

Good teams remedy those mistakes. That's why the Rams traded for Stafford. It's why the Broncos signed Manning. It's why the Cardinals drafted Murray.

Heck, some teams get another QB before they've even had a chance to evaluate their new one. For example, Seattle drafted Wilson after giving a huge contract to another QB. But they didn't let themselves get hamstrung by the contract: they played the best guy.

You can either retreat in fear and no longer risk anything to upgrade the position, or you can count your lumps and then try again.

Agree! My point I was trying to make was that being a high draft pick doesnt necessarily mean that you solve your problem. It can take a year or even a few years to have a feel if the guy you took turned out what you hoped for. So many factors play into it though from coaching and the players around him if he has a chance to succeed.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Bill Walsh was definitely onboard with Carmazzi: "That was one of our better choices."

20 years ago today, 2000 NFL draft... 49ers GM Bill Walsh is thrilled that Hofstra's Giovanni Carmazzi was still available at pick #65.

Tom Brady was taken 134 picks later.

Steve Mariucci knew right away that Carmazzi wasn't the guy. He never appeared in a regular-season game. pic.twitter.com/dlAkkQin9H

— Funhouse (@BackAftaThis) April 16, 2020

Ok thanks. I remembered it now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I just can't fathom the idea that a 3rd rd pick is the plan for the future of the team...you've passed on some very high end quality QBs and the "plan" is to wait until pick 100 and something to get the most important position in sports figured out? IMO that's coming off a pretty cocky/ignorant from out FO/HC lol.

Also it's not me saying Mills is some horrible prospect. I don't really see anything that special or what separates him from say Rosen, who's already on the team?

I hope they go in a different direction with a fields/Lance type talent....but they probably end up trading down and grabbing their 100th DL.

Dude! We're just trying to decipher what Shany is thinking. I'm all for picking up a QB in the first. I would love to go up and get Wilson and I'm good with Lance or Mac Jones. Heck even Watson, I'm also all in before this trouble he is in. But just incase Shany is is too smart for himself and think that he can turn a third rounder into a bonafide starter, there's really nothing we can do about it. So we're just trying to ID the ones that fit his criteria and looking at the film just in case he throws a curve ball on us. Although he was only a coordinator, didn't he pushed and to get Cousins and still drafted him even though Washington team owner Snyder wanted Griffin III who they also drafted? So we'll never know what he wants. We know he's going to get a QB.. but the question is who is the ONE?

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Dude! We're just trying to decipher what Shany is thinking. I'm all for picking up a QB in the first. I would love to go up and get Wilson and I'm good with Lance or Mac Jones. Heck even Watson, I'm also all in before this trouble he is in. But just incase Shany is is too smart for himself and think that he can turn a third rounder into a bonafide starter, there's really nothing we can do about it. So we're just trying to ID the ones that fit his criteria and looking at the film just in case he throws a curve ball on us. Although he was only a coordinator, didn't he pushed and to get Cousins and still drafted him even though Washington team owner Snyder wanted Griffin III who they also drafted? So we'll never know what he wants. We know he's going to get a QB.. but the question is who is the ONE?

He also pushed for Russell Wilson in that same draft...they would have drafted him over Kirk if not for being drafted earlier. People in here pretend they know what he wants, he's been on record at the end of the yr saying he doesn't need a certain type of QB. He just wants a player that's 98% more talented then the rest of the guys...he will adjust to what they're good at.


So when someone says he wants a straight up pock passing QB robot and nothing else, I show them that video. I don't think they would be constantly in the Watson rumors, if they wanted a robot QB who can't move either.

but I get it we're just talking

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He also pushed for Russell Wilson in that same draft...they would have drafted him over Kirk if not for being drafted earlier. People in here pretend they know what he wants, he's been on record at the end of the yr saying he doesn't need a certain type of QB. He just wants a player that's 98% more talented then the rest of the guys...he will adjust to what they're good at.

I think about this a ton when it comes to what Kyle Shanahan thinks about quarterbacks 4 years and 3 losing seasons later... https://t.co/bb4Y5blcBI pic.twitter.com/Q1klOUTgMs

— Akash Anavarathan (@akashanav) February 17, 2021

So when someone says he wants a straight up pock passing QB robot and nothing else, I show them that video. I don't think they would be constantly in the Watson rumors, if they wanted a robot QB who can't move either.

but I get it we're just talking

Ha! All we can do is follow his little clues from his past and just guess where he might end up going.

I can guarantee that the niners are interested in Mills

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I can guarantee that the niners are interested in Mills

Most definitely.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I can guarantee that the niners are interested in Mills

Most definitely.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I can guarantee that the niners are interested in Mills

I can guarantee they have interest in a ton of players...