Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Lombardi is a 9er hater like Chris Collinsworth is for the same reasons, both beaten back like rented mules and rejected... me not trust Lombardi for 9ers prognostications

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Well if that is true, no need to worry about us signing him as the Jets will certainly take a "once in a generation " prospect.
Fields is a real talent. The "once in a generation" was taken by Andy Reid a couple yrs ago.

Talent is one thing...hyperbole another.

The term generational gets thrown around way too much.

Mahomes was not that coming out of college, amazing arm talent but very raw. I could argue Josh Allen was just as much a talent.

Fields imo would be the #1 pick in most drafts...there's a reason he was the 8th overall recruit in NCAA history...Mahomes and a lot of the young QBs having success all had some sort of elite traits, things you can't teach...SF has to see this and realize you can coach coverages and scheme.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Well if that is true, no need to worry about us signing him as the Jets will certainly take a "once in a generation " prospect.
Fields is a real talent. The "once in a generation" was taken by Andy Reid a couple yrs ago.

Talent is one thing...hyperbole another.

Jets would be dumb to pass on him. But they see Mahomes with the way Wilson throws so they are going with him. People always like the unknown because they can project whatever they want on him.

Patrick Mahomes was not a generational talent. Having a strong arm doesn't make you generational.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I need some goddamn Justin Fields #3 pick news.

I get it... but I still have a very real fear that after all this, it'll still be Jones.

Major bummer if it's Jones - but, will still support the pick.

Support the pick but talk a ton of s**t when NFL defenses eat him alive and Fields is an Pro Bowler in 3 years. But mostly when NFL defenses shred him.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

"Justin Fields is not going to go #3."@mlombardiNFL asks you to put your sources up against his because he is here to confirm to you, @TheWrapRadio, and everyone else that Justin Fields is NOT going to be the 3rd overall pick. #LombardiLine pic.twitter.com/hYNcKJt1P1

— VSiN (@VSiNLive) April 17, 2021

Lombardi doubling and tripling down on this.

If his sources aren't the 49ers then what he's saying is hot air.

EDIT - Or his sources are the Jets, and they're taking Fields. (or the Jags, I guess)

So if Fields gets picked by Jags or Jets, we passed on Wilson? He said it's either Jones or Lance.

Finally got to the end of this damn thread. I think people underestimate how honest Shanny is being. Look at comments made about Mahomes and Josh Allen. I think most people have the consensus of Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance and then Jones. Some have Jones higher but generally the thought is he is the 4th or 5th prospect but he is projected at 3 because of a Kyle connection. However this connection is completely speculation. Then look at Kyle saying there are 3 QBs they're comfortable with and a 4th or 5th that are kind of in the conversation or getting there. That matches what everyone is saying about the top 3 being top notch prospects and Lance and Jones being in the convo. It's also a really sly way to be honest without showing your hand. Add in the real and deep connections Fields legitimately has with Shanny and his circle of friends. Plus the Saleh connection. I don't think it hurts the Jets at all to tip off his old boss that put him in the position to earn his current job.

Now the whole stubborn Shanny thing. I don't buy it. A lot of this narrative comes from him running or not running the ball in specific situations and/or running sweeps at the wrong time. People praise the genius all day long and tomorrow until something doesn't go perfect and then he's an idiot. It's silly I think. Also he cut Joe Williams quick. He benched and kept Pettis in the dog house. These were HIS guys alone. He started looking for tough sob recievers after. I think he can admit when he's wrong and adapt as well as any coach in the league.

Lastly I love the confidence to always go get your guys. I think that is the type of cajones you need to be that legendary organization. The NFL is full of blue chip players and personnel. The draft is a crap shoot and the only thing guaranteed is that you will be wrong. So why not try to project traits and try to draft around what the rest of the league is not seeing. Why not swing for the fence once or twice in the draft and hope for the best. You will be fired none the less when you play it safe and the player busts out anyway. I think we are in good hands as 9er fans and I trust these guys to do the right thing...

Draft Fields and make him a perennial All Pro!

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by krizay:
I disagree. I personally thought Mahomes was one of the best QB prospects I seen since Luck. I also think Fields and Lance are benefitting from Mahomes' success. Mahomes has everyone chasing the next him and the false narrative that you need a him to succeed.

I will say that Lance is benefitting FAR MORE than Fields as he his a great prospect on his own merit. My opinion is that Mahomes was a better prospect. Though I can see the argument for Fields I guess.

Yeah every random internet guy had mahomes, Russel Wilson, Dak Prescott, etc. high on their board & why couldn't team X listen to their draft opinion, which is flawless throughout!

You can see on this very draft board that maybe 25% of people really liked Mahomes here. Many more thought he was a fourth round talent, which is embarrassing.

But we don't really know much about what NFL scouts thought, because only ten teams had the opportunity to draft him, and one of them DID. He didn't get passed ten, so we don't know how many were dumb enough to think he was a day three pick. As for the 49ers, we just know the 49ers thought Solomon Thomas + Kirk Cousins was better than Mahomes.

Mahomes was a surprise at 10 overall. Some people may have had him as the #1 QB in that class but it's revisionist history that he was some one of a kind prospect.

There was plenty of talk of him going outside the first round much of the way until the draft. His arm talent was easily special but people had concerns about his transition from that offense.

Obviohsly now the questions about him seem silly. But had he gone to a less talented team where he had to play right away do we get the same guy we see now?

Fields as a prospect is better than Mahomes. But JaMarcus Russell was a MUCH better prospect than Tom Brady and we know how their careers went.

Fields will have to do his part to make sure his career is similar to Mahomes and it's not an easy task. If he comes here he would have a good chance to get close to it.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

"Justin Fields is not going to go #3."@mlombardiNFL asks you to put your sources up against his because he is here to confirm to you, @TheWrapRadio, and everyone else that Justin Fields is NOT going to be the 3rd overall pick. #LombardiLine pic.twitter.com/hYNcKJt1P1

— VSiN (@VSiNLive) April 17, 2021

Lombardi doubling and tripling down on this.

If his sources aren't the 49ers then what he's saying is hot air.

EDIT - Or his sources are the Jets, and they're taking Fields. (or the Jags, I guess)

So if Fields gets picked by Jags or Jets, we passed on Wilson? He said it's either Jones or Lance.

Lombardi should spend less time at the donut shop. Loaded up for Twitter blast when he's wrong.....again.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You can see on this very draft board that maybe 25% of people really liked Mahomes here. Many more thought he was a fourth round talent, which is embarrassing.

But we don't really know much about what NFL scouts thought, because only ten teams had the opportunity to draft him, and one of them DID. He didn't get passed ten, so we don't know how many were dumb enough to think he was a day three pick. As for the 49ers, we just know the 49ers thought Solomon Thomas + Kirk Cousins was better than Mahomes.

Oh calm down there was plenty of reasons to have pause with mahomes. Dude was about as raw as it gets at QB.

dude had krusty the clown footwork, had absolutely no idea how to diagnose coverages, there was holy s**t throws and WTF throws all the same.

kid went to the ultimate scenario for him. Toss him in NJ and play him week 1 and we might have a different discussion about him.

I think it's a great example of why SF should be shooting for the moon here...this team is good, they have a quality starter (when healthy), we have a great coaching staff. Fields or Lance make too much sense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KiwiM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol what a loser.

Lombardi's sources are usually good. I wouldn't dismiss it.

No they aren't. The only s**t he ever gets right is NE stuff anymore.

Agreed.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Jcool:
As a prospect Fields is light years ahead of Mahomes coming out of Texas Tech. FIelds is literally a once in a generation prospect. That does not mean he is perfect & will not need to be coached in the NFL. But if he comes close to maxing out he is a top 5 QB easily.

WTF?

It you don't get it i don't know what to tell you.

Dude, respectfully, I can see no truth to the idea that Fields is light years ahead of Mahomes in college, or even ahead of him, period. Mahomes had a better arm, better off platform throws, had better vision, and better improvisation, at least by my eyes.

Fields is a top 5 guy in any draft, but Mahomes should have been first overall — based on his college tape.

I haven't seen anyone do this sort of thing so casually:


"Excuse me, sir, while I throw this fifty yard dime off my back foot under pressure."

And it's not like that's a rare occurrence. Dude was making miracles on a regular basis. I have never seen a college prospect even close to him. He had one real flaw to me, and that was his recklessness. I didn't see his mechanics as a flaw, because they allowed him to perform the miracles that he routinely does. He just had to be taught when to do them and when to fight another play. Just like Brett Favre, who is the QB that he most closely resemble, IMHO.

Not trying to knock Fields, but I think you're expectations are a bit high. If we take him, I think there's a 80-90% chance he's gonna be a star. But being Mahomes? Feels like a 10% chance to me.

I think Fields has been QB1 for Kyle this entire process and all chatter about the team's desire split between Jones and Lance has been whispers (second and third hand sources) to draw folks off the scent. The draft capital given up suggests Kyle has had his eye on Fields (or some QB) for quite some time, and feels confident he'll be there. I believe the capital also suggests that if his guy gets snagged in the first two picks, that the consolation prize is worth it.

I think he takes no chances to reveal his preference as his opinion on QBs holds weight, especially in the eyes of Saleh (I assume). If he truly believes Fields is the prize, then everything starts to make sense as to why things have always inexplicably pointed to preferences for one of the other guys (rumors picked up by a wishy washy media, going to see Jones throw instead of Fields, his bff lauding Jones). Everything emanating from the team and around the league suggests the pick is Jones or maybe an internal struggle for Lance. I'm not buying it. Expect Lance to look really good on his pro day tomorrow and rumors to begin to swirl about 9ers interest with pics of our entourage smiling with the potential draft pick. "Play it cool" was the giveaway and now they'll make sure they look like Lance may be their guy too.

11 days til we draft Justin Fields. Ignore the noise

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You can see on this very draft board that maybe 25% of people really liked Mahomes here. Many more thought he was a fourth round talent, which is embarrassing.

But we don't really know much about what NFL scouts thought, because only ten teams had the opportunity to draft him, and one of them DID. He didn't get passed ten, so we don't know how many were dumb enough to think he was a day three pick. As for the 49ers, we just know the 49ers thought Solomon Thomas + Kirk Cousins was better than Mahomes.

Oh calm down there was plenty of reasons to have pause with mahomes. Dude was about as raw as it gets at QB.

dude had krusty the clown footwork, had absolutely no idea how to diagnose coverages, there was holy s**t throws and WTF throws all the same.

kid went to the ultimate scenario for him. Toss him in NJ and play him week 1 and we might have a different discussion about him.

I think it's a great example of why SF should be shooting for the moon here...this team is good, they have a quality starter (when healthy), we have a great coaching staff. Fields or Lance make too much sense.

I got to disagree. When a guy makes two or three miracles in his college career, it raises your eye brows. When you can find ten or fifteen, you start thinking he's a top ten pick. When he does them multiple times every game? Come on. Flaws or not, you have to start thinking best QB in the draft.

EDIT - Oh, and Krusty the Clown footwork? What do you mean by that? I saw a guy with very nimble feet who didn't need his legs to get velocity on the ball.

And I can't agree with diagnosing coverages. Guys say that because he said he "couldn't read defenses," but right after he said that he said this:

"I understood coverages, but to be able to pick up the little tendencies that defenses do… I was just playing."

Sounds to me like a guy with very high expectations who was okay at it but wanted to be great at it.
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