Justin Fields QB - Ohio State

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I honestly don't think he is a bad athlete at all, he just isn't in shape. Similar to Brady - he isn't a world class athlete, of course, but they are both athletic. Mac is just sloppy and needs to get in better shape. Mac jones ran like a 4.7 - that isn't something a non-athletic person does.

Compared to other QBs in this class he's not athletic. Jimmy G is more athletic and you saw he did very little to threaten the D. Not to say he never did, but no one had to plan for it. No one has to account for Mac Jones athletic abilities. That's what people mean

the only time I care about a QBs movement ability is if its moving around in the pocket. I don't know if you've noticed, but the teams with rings at the end of the season - have QBs who are great passers and barely rush around.

some will say the leagues changing, and I think that is true, but you need a QB like Wilson - one is a great accurate passer but also athletic. They're rare.

Out of pretty much every super bowl ever, only one QB that I would consider mobile has won, and that is wilson - which his running ability had nothing to do with winning that game. The only other one you could consider mobile is Mahommes but he really isn't a running QB. he is just great at buying time in the pocket.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
To me the biggest difference between Fields and Mac is Fields could have a bad game passing and still beat you in other ways. And what if the Niners suffer some injuries and they need their QB to carry them? What if the defense is on point and our Receivers can't get open on that particular day? What if we need our QB to buy some time for our receivers to get open? We can't always depend on Kyle to scheme our guys open. It's not that easy. We have to remember that defenses have a job to do also. Mac Jones is not going to be playing against those Edge rushers and Dbacks he played against in College. And the coaching is also way more advanced, The game planning, scouting, and everything. Mac's limited athletic ability scares the hell out of me. Putting all our faith in his football IQ to make him a top 10 QB is not what I want to trade 2 future 1st RD picks for.

I honestly don't think he is a bad athlete at all, he just isn't in shape. Similar to Brady - he isn't a world class athlete, of course, but they are both athletic. Mac is just sloppy and needs to get in better shape. Mac jones ran like a 4.7 - that isn't something a non-athletic person does.

People need to stop bringing up 40 times from this draft season. Jones isn't running a 4.7 at the combine.

And 40 time in shorts doesn't always translate to game speed. Jones is a football player so saying he's not athletic is obviously silly. However in comparison to the other top QBs he's easily back of the line and doesn't compare.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I honestly don't think he is a bad athlete at all, he just isn't in shape. Similar to Brady - he isn't a world class athlete, of course, but they are both athletic. Mac is just sloppy and needs to get in better shape. Mac jones ran like a 4.7 - that isn't something a non-athletic person does.

Compared to other QBs in this class he's not athletic. Jimmy G is more athletic and you saw he did very little to threaten the D. Not to say he never did, but no one had to plan for it. No one has to account for Mac Jones athletic abilities. That's what people mean

the only time I care about a QBs movement ability is if its moving around in the pocket. I don't know if you've noticed, but the teams with rings at the end of the season - have QBs who are great passers and barely rush around.

some will say the leagues changing, and I think that is true, but you need a QB like Wilson - one is a great accurate passer but also athletic. They're rare.

Out of pretty much every super bowl ever, only one QB that I would consider mobile has won, and that is wilson - which his running ability had nothing to do with winning that game. The only other one you could consider mobile is Mahommes but he really isn't a running QB. he is just great at buying time in the pocket.

What do you think Fields is?

Originally posted by tankle104:
the only time I care about a QBs movement ability is if its moving around in the pocket. I don't know if you've noticed, but the teams with rings at the end of the season - have QBs who are great passers and barely rush around.

some will say the leagues changing, and I think that is true, but you need a QB like Wilson - one is a great accurate passer but also athletic. They're rare.

Out of pretty much every super bowl ever, only one QB that I would consider mobile has won, and that is wilson - which his running ability had nothing to do with winning that game. The only other one you could consider mobile is Mahommes but he really isn't a running QB. he is just great at buying time in the pocket.

Lamar Jackson 2019 playoffs: 20 rushes for 143 yards.

Patrick Mahomes 2019 playoffs: 24 rushes for 135 yards & 2 TDs.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I honestly don't think he is a bad athlete at all, he just isn't in shape. Similar to Brady - he isn't a world class athlete, of course, but they are both athletic. Mac is just sloppy and needs to get in better shape. Mac jones ran like a 4.7 - that isn't something a non-athletic person does.

Compared to other QBs in this class he's not athletic. Jimmy G is more athletic and you saw he did very little to threaten the D. Not to say he never did, but no one had to plan for it. No one has to account for Mac Jones athletic abilities. That's what people mean

the only time I care about a QBs movement ability is if its moving around in the pocket. I don't know if you've noticed, but the teams with rings at the end of the season - have QBs who are great passers and barely rush around.

some will say the leagues changing, and I think that is true, but you need a QB like Wilson - one is a great accurate passer but also athletic. They're rare.

Out of pretty much every super bowl ever, only one QB that I would consider mobile has won, and that is wilson - which his running ability had nothing to do with winning that game. The only other one you could consider mobile is Mahommes but he really isn't a running QB. he is just great at buying time in the pocket.

What do you think Fields is?

How about Steve? Pretty mobile.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
To me the biggest difference between Fields and Mac is Fields could have a bad game passing and still beat you in other ways. And what if the Niners suffer some injuries and they need their QB to carry them? What if the defense is on point and our Receivers can't get open on that particular day? What if we need our QB to buy some time for our receivers to get open? We can't always depend on Kyle to scheme our guys open. It's not that easy. We have to remember that defenses have a job to do also. Mac Jones is not going to be playing against those Edge rushers and Dbacks he played against in College. And the coaching is also way more advanced, The game planning, scouting, and everything. Mac's limited athletic ability scares the hell out of me. Putting all our faith in his football IQ to make him a top 10 QB is not what I want to trade 2 future 1st RD picks for.

I honestly don't think he is a bad athlete at all, he just isn't in shape. Similar to Brady - he isn't a world class athlete, of course, but they are both athletic. Mac is just sloppy and needs to get in better shape. Mac jones ran like a 4.7 - that isn't something a non-athletic person does.

People need to stop bringing up 40 times from this draft season. Jones isn't running a 4.7 at the combine.

And 40 time in shorts doesn't always translate to game speed. Jones is a football player so saying he's not athletic is obviously silly. However in comparison to the other top QBs he's easily back of the line and doesn't compare.

you could literally say that for every single player that runs the 40 - no one runs it in full gear, of course it isn't the same as game speed.

and of course he isn't a world class athlete like fields or lance - but he isn't a scrub athletic wise either. you just aren't going to see him doing windmill dunks lol

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tankle104:
the only time I care about a QBs movement ability is if its moving around in the pocket. I don't know if you've noticed, but the teams with rings at the end of the season - have QBs who are great passers and barely rush around.

some will say the leagues changing, and I think that is true, but you need a QB like Wilson - one is a great accurate passer but also athletic. They're rare.

Out of pretty much every super bowl ever, only one QB that I would consider mobile has won, and that is wilson - which his running ability had nothing to do with winning that game. The only other one you could consider mobile is Mahommes but he really isn't a running QB. he is just great at buying time in the pocket.

Lamar Jackson 2019 playoffs: 20 rushes for 143 yards.

Patrick Mahomes 2019 playoffs: 24 rushes for 135 yards & 2 TDs.

how many rush attempts vs pass attempts? also - Lamar Jackson played 1 game lmao Mahommes played in 3 games.

So I am not sure if you were supporting my point or..?

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tankle104:
the only time I care about a QBs movement ability is if its moving around in the pocket. I don't know if you've noticed, but the teams with rings at the end of the season - have QBs who are great passers and barely rush around.

some will say the leagues changing, and I think that is true, but you need a QB like Wilson - one is a great accurate passer but also athletic. They're rare.

Out of pretty much every super bowl ever, only one QB that I would consider mobile has won, and that is wilson - which his running ability had nothing to do with winning that game. The only other one you could consider mobile is Mahommes but he really isn't a running QB. he is just great at buying time in the pocket.

Lamar Jackson 2019 playoffs: 20 rushes for 143 yards.

Patrick Mahomes 2019 playoffs: 24 rushes for 135 yards & 2 TDs.

how many rush attempts vs pass attempts? also - Lamar Jackson played 1 game lmao Mahommes played in 3 games.

So I am not sure if you were supporting my point or..?

The point was the mobile but not really a running QB Mahomes had similar running stats to the most gifted running QB in the NFL. And won a Superbowl.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by Jubwub88:
I'm hoping this young man is like Lamar Jackson. Cus this is who we are picking

Lamar Jackson rushed for 1000 yds as a freshman and 1500+ the 2 years after that. Fields has never rushed for more than 500 yds in a season.

1 I'm hoping neither Lance or Fields are anything like Jackson and 2 I know for a fact they're nothing like Jackson. They are much advanced better passers already and Jackson is in a different breed of running anyways. I would hate to have a qb like Jackson anyways, at the end of the day I want my qb to beat you consistently with his arm and not be f**ked when they're down multiple scores

Fields winning the Elite 11, where QBs are not allowed to run, is all the proof you need that he is nothing like Jackson. Lance on the other hand, played much more like Lamar in college.

I think Lance is by far the biggest risk and project out of the top QBs. That guy is so damn raw it is crazy. Super talented but extremely unknown, especially coming from a small school. I Hope we take either Fields or Mac, QB wise.

at 12 I really was hoping for Najee Harris.

Yeah, I have Kaepernick PTSD, and he reminds be of Kaepernick with a better arm but way less college reps. Not to mention, he has never trailed in a college game so, we don't know how he will respond when his team is down. Mahomes and Allen, have made every raw inaccurate passer with traits seem like a better prospect IMO.

As far as Harris goes. When we were at 12 and later in the draft, I would put the following positions as a greater need than RB.

Backup QB (with Jimmy's injury history not his replacement)
CB (With Veretts injury history)
IOL (preferably the C of the future that can start at Guard)
Edge (with Dee Ford and Blair's injury history and so we can cut Willlis)
Back up TE (with the recklessness and disregard for his own personal safety that Kittle plays with)
WR (If Hurd can't play and Jennings didn't improve and Benjamin is over the hill)

Originally posted by tankle104:
the only time I care about a QBs movement ability is if its moving around in the pocket. I don't know if you've noticed, but the teams with rings at the end of the season - have QBs who are great passers and barely rush around.

some will say the leagues changing, and I think that is true, but you need a QB like Wilson - one is a great accurate passer but also athletic. They're rare.

Out of pretty much every super bowl ever, only one QB that I would consider mobile has won, and that is wilson - which his running ability had nothing to do with winning that game. The only other one you could consider mobile is Mahommes but he really isn't a running QB. he is just great at buying time in the pocket.

You are literally describing fields: a pocket passer who is mobile. Welcome to the church of fields brother

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by tankle104:
the only time I care about a QBs movement ability is if its moving around in the pocket. I don't know if you've noticed, but the teams with rings at the end of the season - have QBs who are great passers and barely rush around.

some will say the leagues changing, and I think that is true, but you need a QB like Wilson - one is a great accurate passer but also athletic. They're rare.

Out of pretty much every super bowl ever, only one QB that I would consider mobile has won, and that is wilson - which his running ability had nothing to do with winning that game. The only other one you could consider mobile is Mahommes but he really isn't a running QB. he is just great at buying time in the pocket.

Lamar Jackson 2019 playoffs: 20 rushes for 143 yards.

Patrick Mahomes 2019 playoffs: 24 rushes for 135 yards & 2 TDs.

how many rush attempts vs pass attempts? also - Lamar Jackson played 1 game lmao Mahommes played in 3 games.

So I am not sure if you were supporting my point or..?

The point was the mobile but not really a running QB Mahomes had similar running stats to the most gifted running QB in the NFL. And won a Superbowl.

but do you think Mahommes is a fair comparison for any QB prospect? Mahommes also has one of the most special passing abilities ever. He makes throws that are just unbelievable, every game. He has set records in his first few seasons etc.

My whole point is that I would take a special passing talent over a special running talent that can throw. I am not saying fields cant throw or anything like that - just making a general point. I'm going to root for and support whoever we select. The only Qb I would be disappointed in if we selected would be Lance, would still support him though.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
To me the biggest difference between Fields and Mac is Fields could have a bad game passing and still beat you in other ways. And what if the Niners suffer some injuries and they need their QB to carry them? What if the defense is on point and our Receivers can't get open on that particular day? What if we need our QB to buy some time for our receivers to get open? We can't always depend on Kyle to scheme our guys open. It's not that easy. We have to remember that defenses have a job to do also. Mac Jones is not going to be playing against those Edge rushers and Dbacks he played against in College. And the coaching is also way more advanced, The game planning, scouting, and everything. Mac's limited athletic ability scares the hell out of me. Putting all our faith in his football IQ to make him a top 10 QB is not what I want to trade 2 future 1st RD picks for.

I honestly don't think he is a bad athlete at all, he just isn't in shape. Similar to Brady - he isn't a world class athlete, of course, but they are both athletic. Mac is just sloppy and needs to get in better shape. Mac jones ran like a 4.7 - that isn't something a non-athletic person does.

People need to stop bringing up 40 times from this draft season. Jones isn't running a 4.7 at the combine.

And 40 time in shorts doesn't always translate to game speed. Jones is a football player so saying he's not athletic is obviously silly. However in comparison to the other top QBs he's easily back of the line and doesn't compare.

you could literally say that for every single player that runs the 40 - no one runs it in full gear, of course it isn't the same as game speed.

and of course he isn't a world class athlete like fields or lance - but he isn't a scrub athletic wise either. you just aren't going to see him doing windmill dunks lol

Yes I can. However pro day numbers are always faster. This is either the fastest draft class ever or maybe the combine was the great equalizer.

Every time we saw Mac run it was like a baby deer. Awkward and painful.

Your comments on Fields make me wonder if you actually watched him play much or just assume he's a runner who doesn't throw the ball well.

Originally posted by Second2Nunley:
How about Steve? Pretty mobile.

Steve and Elway were pretty mobile

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by tankle104:
the only time I care about a QBs movement ability is if its moving around in the pocket. I don't know if you've noticed, but the teams with rings at the end of the season - have QBs who are great passers and barely rush around.

some will say the leagues changing, and I think that is true, but you need a QB like Wilson - one is a great accurate passer but also athletic. They're rare.

Out of pretty much every super bowl ever, only one QB that I would consider mobile has won, and that is wilson - which his running ability had nothing to do with winning that game. The only other one you could consider mobile is Mahommes but he really isn't a running QB. he is just great at buying time in the pocket.

You are literally describing fields: a pocket passer who is mobile. Welcome to the church of fields brother

I'm definitely warming up to Fields, wasn't big on him at first. My post above wasn't really about fields but if he fits the M.O. - great.

I just want the damn draft over so we can know who the hell our QB is going to be.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
To me the biggest difference between Fields and Mac is Fields could have a bad game passing and still beat you in other ways. And what if the Niners suffer some injuries and they need their QB to carry them? What if the defense is on point and our Receivers can't get open on that particular day? What if we need our QB to buy some time for our receivers to get open? We can't always depend on Kyle to scheme our guys open. It's not that easy. We have to remember that defenses have a job to do also. Mac Jones is not going to be playing against those Edge rushers and Dbacks he played against in College. And the coaching is also way more advanced, The game planning, scouting, and everything. Mac's limited athletic ability scares the hell out of me. Putting all our faith in his football IQ to make him a top 10 QB is not what I want to trade 2 future 1st RD picks for.

I honestly don't think he is a bad athlete at all, he just isn't in shape. Similar to Brady - he isn't a world class athlete, of course, but they are both athletic. Mac is just sloppy and needs to get in better shape. Mac jones ran like a 4.7 - that isn't something a non-athletic person does.

People need to stop bringing up 40 times from this draft season. Jones isn't running a 4.7 at the combine.

And 40 time in shorts doesn't always translate to game speed. Jones is a football player so saying he's not athletic is obviously silly. However in comparison to the other top QBs he's easily back of the line and doesn't compare.

you could literally say that for every single player that runs the 40 - no one runs it in full gear, of course it isn't the same as game speed.

and of course he isn't a world class athlete like fields or lance - but he isn't a scrub athletic wise either. you just aren't going to see him doing windmill dunks lol

Yes I can. However pro day numbers are always faster. This is either the fastest draft class ever or maybe the combine was the great equalizer.

Every time we saw Mac run it was like a baby deer. Awkward and painful.

Your comments on Fields make me wonder if you actually watched him play much or just assume he's a runner who doesn't throw the ball well.

What have i said about Fields that was negative?