Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

I would like to get any of the top 3 wr's coming out but if they are gone @ 13 then I would prefer to move down and get more picks. I really hope ruiz will be there at 31 since I feel like we need a better OL outside of Staley and McG. Richburg is good enough when he's playing but I feel like the injuries no matter how minor affect his play. This FO has made mistakes but they have hit on some big moves as well. I trust them more than myself when it comes to football matters.

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Pretty much a lock at this point that we'll go receiver at 13

I wouldn't count on that although it's a possibility . I think there's quality wr to be had at pick 31 as well. I mean I'll take Mims, Aiyuk, or Shenault at 31 or in the 2nd if we trade out of it and Brown, Kinlaw, or Thomas with the 13th. Ultimately I think that's a wiser strategy, but we gotta see how the picks lay out. If Jeudy is there, I could see us just saying f**k it. Or Ruggs st 13 and Raekwon at 31, I'll take that.

This. Those "second tier guys" at WR from pick 31 or lower, still insanely talented w tons of potential.

Really like Aiyuk, Jefferson and Shinault.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by random49er:
Will drop this here as well as to why I believe unless it's their absolute #1 WR sitting there @ #13,....there's very little chance in us drafting a WR @ that spot...

I just dont think we traded into the 1st round for the sake of taking more a gamble....

This is good historical information in terms of what is more of a sure bet and I like the way you worded your statement. Unless it is their number 1 receiver at 13 is a good way of stating it.

Analytics and stats are always helpful but you can't follow them blindly.

A HC known for his offensive brilliance, drafting a WR in a class considered to be very strong isn't the same thing as a defensive minded HC with an uninspired offense drafting a WR in the first round in a weak WR class.

There are certain situations which certainly don't guarantee a slam dunk pick...but they definitely help improve the odds of success.

Offensive skill players in Kyle's offense definitely get a boost. Even Dante Pettis who had an awfully disappointing second season didn't fail due to his talent.

Think of it this way, if Kyle thinks someone is good enough as a skill position player to use the 13th pick on...odds are they're pretty damn good and he's going to have some fun scheming for them.

Guys like that typically go with players they cannot scheme to be good. Shame Dante didn't have the go get it attitude last year, I'm sure Kyle is taking that personally so we'll see what happens with him but if he thinks a WR is worth the pick at 13. I like our odds.

I'm not advocating blindly following stats. The stats fail to take into account the actual talent. What I'm stating is that they won't just take "a receiver." I'm sure they will take their top receiver because I believer their top receiver will be available. However if say Ruggs is gone, I don't think they are drafting a receiver at 13.

Originally posted by T-9ers:

I'll take Mims, Aiyuk, or Shenault at 31 or in the 2nd if we trade out of it and Brown, Kinlaw, or Thomas with the 13th. Ultimately I think that's a wiser strategy, but we gotta see how the picks lay out.

at #13
Take Kinlaw or Brown or OT if they think will be all-pro
Trade down if no surefire all-pro

At #31
Take WR if Kyle loves him (eg. Mims, Aiyuk, etc)
Trade down if great offer available

Originally posted by Imcaleburnot:

This. Those "second tier guys" at WR from pick 31 or lower, still insanely talented w tons of potential.

Really like Aiyuk, Jefferson and Shinault.

Ya, I'm kinda thinking Jefferson is right there with those other guys. The bottom line is year after year there's just a boat load of receivers available, it's like the meta right now, where all the talent is. We got Deebo in the second, it's just not crucial to panic pick a receiver in the first anymore. Would much prefer us to keep the first round picks to foundational pieces like lineman, a more rare commodity. Although I'm not gonna complain about a receiver pick either.

Originally posted by Livendiea9er:

Originally posted by dj43:
Anyone that doesn't see the need for a speed receiver in this offense needs to go watch some film of KC when Hill has not been fully healthy - things aren't the same.

I like Higgins but Ruggs' speed would be too much to pass up.

This also. Ruggs probably would have had to slow down on Jimmy's under throw.

FIFY

Originally posted by random49er:

Therein lies the key word. Who's doing the considering?

Study draft history and you will find a plethora of classes considered weak that were actually very strong, and vice versa.

To legitimately discuss NFL Draft talk, I believe that you have to 1st admit to yourself that much of it is a crapshoot.

We can then work from there.

Literally every draft analyst have hailed this as an epic WR draft class. I mean talent is talent. The film is there to back it up... Of course the draft is a crapshoot don't think anyone will debate that.

One problem with the WR position, is it's a very dependent position. If your QB sucks, OL sucks, or OC suck chances are you're gonna not play to the level you could elsewhere.

If the FO/HC don't feel like one of the top 3 WRs are worth the 13th pick (or the one they want is gone like you said) then I'm sure they'll pivot.

At least they have some sort of flexibility with the two 1st rd picks. Should make for an interesting draft.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Niners IMO only have 2 areas they they need to fill. an elite WR to compliment Deebo(one who is a deep threat and can get safeties to back up leaving the middle open) and an offensive tackle to protect Jimmy G. WR with #13 and OT with #31. The only other position possibly in need is corner. You can't go into the season with Deebo and then a bunch of question marks at WR. We don't know what we are going to get from Hurd and Taylor and Bourne is not a #2 WR.

The thing with stacking your team in one area like the Dline is a good offense can wear that Dline down if your own offense stumbles like we saw in the SB. It was our offense that cost us that game. A good offense is a good defense. If you have a top offense it will take the pressure off your D and it will also keep them fresh because the offense is controlling the clock. Look how good our running game was last season? And that was even when teams knew we were running the ball. Now imagine if they had to worry about the passing game also. The offense would be unstoppable. But for this to happen they need to get Deebo some help at the WR position and some protection for Jimmy so he isn't under pressure as much.

U said a good offense is a good defese. Totally disagree. Do u think were gonna run the ball if other team keep scoring and wearing our defense. Because our defense last year we were able to run the ball and controll the clock.
I said if brown falls to us i pick him wothout hesitation. He is by far the best dt to come out of college for a while. He is quick for his size.

The problem is we did not keep Sanders. This could be a mistake. I think we could have afforded him but were too busy going after Ndamukong Su. Now we damn near NEED to pick a top flight wide receiver who is plug and play and the only way to ensure that is at #13 with Jeudy or Ruggs. Keep Sanders and we could easily be thinking one of the top LT that falls to #13 or Kinlaw. Or even trading down a few spots, picking up a 3rd, and drafting someone like Chaisson.

With Sanders I would probably have gone future left tackle at #13 if the player was elite, but without Sanders the sexy pick is now the need pick. I just hope that WR is BPA as well.

Does anyone think Ruggs (or Jeudy) is BPA over Kinlaw or all of the OTs that could be available at #13?

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I'm not either. They need to pick DT. Buckner is a huge loss. Or OT to replace Staley down the road. I don't think WR is our biggest need. It's a luxury we would like to have. I don't think it is at all the biggest need at #13 overall.

So who is starting across from Deebo at WR?

Yeah that is a problem. But so is the hole Buckner leaves. Armstead won't be nearly as good without him. Also Staley is getting older and needs a long term replacement. If WR is the best available I guess it's OK. But I don't think it's the biggest need. And it better be a really good one. Like one of the best ones in the whole draft if we do that.

OT is not a bigger need than WR or DT though.

And how big of a need DT in this class for this team largely depends on how they feel about Solly, Taylor, Street and Givens. If the GM and HC thinks they have an answer already on the roster then WR will be a bigger need and focus on draft day.

Rapoport just reported we were pursuing Suh so that's kind of a hint.

A hint that they are addressing DT via free agency and drafting a WR? I agree. They could still pursue Harris or Wolfe in free agency.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

The problem is we did not keep Sanders. This could be a mistake. I think we could have afforded him but were too busy going after Ndamukong Su. Now we damn near NEED to pick a top flight wide receiver who is plug and play and the only way to ensure that is at #13 with Jeudy or Ruggs. Keep Sanders and we could easily be thinking one of the top LT that falls to #13 or Kinlaw. Or even trading down a few spots, picking up a 3rd, and drafting someone like Chaisson.

With Sanders I would probably have gone future left tackle at #13 if the player was elite, but without Sanders the sexy pick is now the need pick. I just hope that WR is BPA as well.

Does anyone think Ruggs (or Jeudy) is BPA over Kinlaw or all of the OTs that could be available at #13?

So you're saying that Sanders value is or was equivalent to the #13 overall pick.

Originally posted by 5Jan2003:
13th picks rarely go to a team with a roster as good as ours. You're going BPA with an eye on 2021-22 to be a solid blue chip contributor, regardless of our SB window.
Injuries and roster attrition are a given. What seems solid now begs for attention with a long view.

You probably won't find Lawrence Taylor, Anthony Munoz or Jerry Rice at 13 next month, but to say only this WR at the omission of all other possibilities is too limiting.

I agree, 13th is a luxury. but...you never know....

Derrick Johnson who was the next best thing to Taylor was Taken at 14

Jerry Rice was taken at 16

Joe Staley was in the 20s....

13 is a great spot to be picking but I think the top 2 stud WRs (Lamb, Jeudy) will be gone right before we pick. We won't pick Ruggs because he's too small to play in this offense. We have to trade up to snag the WR we want or trade back for draft capital.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
13 is a great spot to be picking but I think the top 2 stud WRs (Lamb, Jeudy) will be gone right before we pick. We won't pick Ruggs because he's too small to play in this offense. We have to trade up to snag the WR we want or trade back for draft capital.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

13 is a great spot to be picking but I think the top 2 stud WRs (Lamb, Jeudy) will be gone right before we pick. We won't pick Ruggs because he's too small to play in this offense. We have to trade up to snag the WR we want or trade back for draft capital.

5'11" 185 lbs and watch him play, he's a speed/finesse guy who will have a great career with some team I'm surw...but he's not gonna be blocking DBs and LBs on the edge or downfield and our WRs need to block.