Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by JaggedJ:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Our 1st round picks:
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OT Tristan Wirfs, Iowa
OC Cesar Ruiz, Michigan

I wants Ruggs and his 4.28, but if I can get the above as a consolation prize I could learn to live with it awfully fast.

Ugh. One OL with one of our picks I'd be fine with, but both? Even if he's protected all day, who's Jimmy throwing to if we're going OL x 2 and then nothing until the 5th?

Geez, it was a hypothetical and every one's losing it. I thought I made my preference clear.

It definitely wouldn't be sexy but Ruiz would be the C and Wirfs would be RG. Nobody should ever count on Richburg's broken body.

The OL would be fixed for years, in theory and Staley continues to groom Wirfs while Richburg grooms Ruiz.

That said, no chance it happens. Both players will be long gone by 13 and 31.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
Our 1st round picks:
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OT Tristan Wirfs, Iowa
OC Cesar Ruiz, Michigan

I wants Ruggs and his 4.28, but if I can get the above as a consolation prize I could learn to live with it awfully fast.

So you're using 2 first round picks on OL. Where are you playing both of them?

Wirfs at LT. Let Staley ride honorably into the sunset, or stay and work with the kid, and be ready as a standby.
Ruiz at OG at first. That used to be the path for OCs, starting at OG while they learned how to play in the NFL and learned the line calls. Ruiz has experience at OG.

I'm sorry but that's silly. So you're going to sit one of the key members of our team, the longest tenured player for a rookie who some are questioning whether he can play LT in the NFL?

IMO you're only starting one of them and the obvious spot is RG. Drafting two means one of them is on the bench which isn't the best way to use draft capital, especially when you get one of the picks from trading away a pro bowl caliber player.

I saw "one of the key members of our team" get toasted enough times last year to know that he's a shell of his former self. When was the last time Staley made the Pro Bowl? His peers know he's no longer one of the best; get with the program. He'll be 36 this year and did I mention that he just got done breaking his leg?

You can write those same criticisms about any offensive line picks, ever. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO FOR ME THIS YEAR???? OMG!!!!

In which games? The ones where he was coming back from injury and rusty as hell? His play improved further removed from injury.

Wirfs is a talented kid but throwing him at LT as a rookie and putting Joe on the bench is stupid. There is a lot more to playing the position than size and strength and athletic ability. You want to put two rookies on the OL...expect a ton of rookie mistakes.

It's one thing when you put a rookie at RG between two vets so they can help him out and make sure he's rarely on an island vs the top pass rushers in the NFL.

And your last point doesn't make sense either. The issue I took with your doubling up on OL is that basically one of those guys is a wasted pick for this year...in a window at a SB run. When we took Davis and Iupati it certainly wasn't during a SB window at the time.

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
A rookie WR is not going to put us over the top. We were 8-0 before we got Sanders. Had we not, arguably, we may have not gone to the SB. Somewhere before and after we got Sanders, we lost key players(Kittle, Staley, McG, Juice, etc.). We went 5-3 the rest of the way. Sanders won us at least 2 of those games. But could we have made it without Sanders? I think so.

Our team isn't built around receivers. It's defense and a running game with lots of misdirection. One of the top 3 prospects aren't coming in and all of a sudden we are the passing attack that the Chiefs have. We need to sustain this winning team. To do that, you add pieces that keep a balance of older and newer players. Buckner out, new DT in. Staley out, new OT in. Sherman out, new CB in. You want to get the replacement BEFORE they need to start.

I think we all know we've had some bad seasons and when you have a bad team, you need the draft to get starters NOW. When you have a great team with few holes, you use the draft to get future starters. Should a player taken at 13 start? Yes. Does he necessarily need to? No. And that's a good thing!

We are already getting two WR that know the playbook already. I'm also not sold we need to draft a WR at #13.

I say draft a DT or OT with #13 and a CB with 31. And whatever we didn't get with #13 draft one in the later rounds. Take a flier on another late round TE and RB. Keep em coming.

We were 6-0. We traded for him before the Panthers game.

In those 6 games we played only one team that ended up with a winning season. That was the Rams with a 9-7 record.

The idea that we don't need to upgrade our WR group with only two guys being "proven" and no major injury concerns Deebo and Bourne.

Pretty much a lock at this point that we'll go receiver at 13

People need to look long term because Staley doesn't have much left. I got no problem taking a left tackle now if that guy is the future lt for the next 15 years. If that means we groom him for a year ok. It's left tackle. One of the top 3 most important positions in football.

You got to love the prospect and think you're hitting the next Staley though and that's not saying I'm against a wr.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Pretty much a lock at this point that we'll go receiver at 13

Unless, they're all gone - then I think they go DT.

I'll go one further, which will probably still be an unpopular opinion - but this is a rare time that I would consider "double dipping" in the 1st round. I'd take Lamb at #13, and go back to the well if Mims is still on the board at #31. Lamb is a more polished route runner with amazing RAC ability, and Mims gives us speed. Star Deebo and Lamb while developing Mims' route running.

We don't really know what we have in Hurd, with his injury. Or Trent Taylor with his injury, either. But a receiving core of 1-Deebo, 2-Lamb, 3-Mims, 4/Slot - Hurd, 5-Bourne, 6/Slot - Taylor or James would give Jimmy plenty of weapons, and take away any excuses!

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Pretty much a lock at this point that we'll go receiver at 13

Unless, they're all gone - then I think they go DT.

Well they all won't be gone but obviously if the 3 guys at the top are gone then WR is out of the question IMO.

And if that happened(and I'd be surprised) then I'd imagine we'd go OT or trade down and look at someone like Jefferson.

Originally posted by RDB4216:
I'll go one further, which will probably still be an unpopular opinion - but this is a rare time that I would consider "double dipping" in the 1st round. I'd take Lamb at #13, and go back to the well if Mims is still on the board at #31. Lamb is a more polished route runner with amazing RAC ability, and Mims gives us speed. Star Deebo and Lamb while developing Mims' route running.

We don't really know what we have in Hurd, with his injury. Or Trent Taylor with his injury, either. But a receiving core of 1-Deebo, 2-Lamb, 3-Mims, 4/Slot - Hurd, 5-Bourne, 6/Slot - Taylor or James would give Jimmy plenty of weapons, and take away any excuses!

Two WRs? That would never happen.

Originally posted by RDB4216:
I'll go one further, which will probably still be an unpopular opinion - but this is a rare time that I would consider "double dipping" in the 1st round. I'd take Lamb at #13, and go back to the well if Mims is still on the board at #31. Lamb is a more polished route runner with amazing RAC ability, and Mims gives us speed. Star Deebo and Lamb while developing Mims' route running.

We don't really know what we have in Hurd, with his injury. Or Trent Taylor with his injury, either. But a receiving core of 1-Deebo, 2-Lamb, 3-Mims, 4/Slot - Hurd, 5-Bourne, 6/Slot - Taylor or James would give Jimmy plenty of weapons, and take away any excuses!

Definitely unpopular opinion.

Our WR group has a lot of question marks but not enough to use 2 first round picks on the position.

The team needs an elite receiver who can get open even when Kyle's scheme isn't working. Without Sanders teams will double Kittle and Deebo and the team will be in the same place they were before Sanders last year.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

The team needs an elite receiver who can get open even when Kyle's scheme isn't working. Without Sanders teams will double Kittle and Deebo and the team will be in the same place they were before Sanders last year.

Mmm? Double teaming both Kittle and Deebo would be unwise. We will surely have another good receiver - whether or not they are elite remains to be seen - but we should also have Hurd, Juszczyk and the running game as well.

Originally posted by English:
Mmm? Double teaming both Kittle and Deebo would be unwise. We will surely have another good receiver - whether or not they are elite remains to be seen - but we should also have Hurd, Juszczyk and the running game as well.

Defenses had to be doing something because before Sanders came the receiving game was struggling. The receivers could not win one on one battles.

Originally posted by northoakland510:
The team needs an elite receiver who can get open even when Kyle's scheme isn't working. Without Sanders teams will double Kittle and Deebo and the team will be in the same place they were before Sanders last year.

Exactly.

Best worst case scenario is we draft a top flight WR at 13 and then see Pettis step up after a big offseason getting his head/body right. Taylor and Hurd both come back healthy and ready to rock off their injuries and suddenly we're 6 deep at the WR position.

Reality however is we can't count on Pettis, Taylor and Hurd right now for different reasons. So we better make sure we have as many top guys as possible to ensure if injuries come up we can still produce in the passing game.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by northoakland510:
The team needs an elite receiver who can get open even when Kyle's scheme isn't working. Without Sanders teams will double Kittle and Deebo and the team will be in the same place they were before Sanders last year.

Mmm? Double teaming both Kittle and Deebo would be unwise. We will surely have another good receiver - whether or not they are elite remains to be seen - but we should also have Hurd, Juszczyk and the running game as well.

Thing is with Deebo and Kittle you don't necessarily need to double them both to hurt our offense if we don't have a guy who can scare defenses.

Need that outside threat to keep defenses honest. If they can do what they did in the SB...it will not be pretty. Especially if our OL cannot pass protect properly.