Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick | Page 12

Vancouver49er · 2020-03-25T02:17:06-07:00

Yes, I know the draft is full of quality WRs, some say the best WR class in years. And yes, we lost Emmanuel Sanders, and people say we need to replace him with one of the elite WRs available in the draft. But I don't think that in KS offensive schemes, a WR is as important as perhaps it is for other teams. Last season, JG completed 329 passes, of these 102 were caught by TEs. Namely, Kittle with 85, Dwelley with 15, and Toilolo with 2. That's almost one third of passes thrown, caught by a TE. Of the remaining 226 passes caught, 74 were caught by RBs and an FB. This means that 53% of passes were caught by a Non WR. I don't know if its the same with other teams, but it seems to me that KS schemes people open, people with good hands, regardless of the position they play. Are we bereft of quality WRs without Sanders? I don't think so. Deebo is certainly going to get increased targets, and Bourne is a serious Red Zone threat. We have added a veteran Travis Benjamin, and we still have the side players like Pettis, Goodwin, James, Wilson, and Matthews. They know they have to step up their games, especially with the returns of Jalen Hurd and Trent Taylor. There must be a reason that KS and John Lynch kept those 2 on injured reserve, and I am excited to see what they can do. And if they decided they really needed another WR, there are a lot of decent WRs in FA right now. I can't believe that the top 5 WRs in the draft are significantly better then some of these FA WRs out there right now. So much better that they warrant a first round pick on. Because of all these reasons, I just don't see JL and KS drafting a WR with the 13th pick. Maybe with the 31st pick if they don't trade out of it. If Kinlaw, Derrick Brown, or wishful thinking, Chase Young/Isiah Simmons were there at 13, I think they have to go with one of them. Good rushers don't always hit the Free Agency Market, and if they did, there is a big demand for them. Not so much for FA WR. The front office needs to go defence with this first pick. Just my 2 cents.

Mar 27, 2020 at 2:56 PM

#166

scooterhd
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Originally posted by elguapo:
I seriously doubt that will be the case especially since Shanahan is a wizard on offense and can get the most out of underachievers so I believe we will get a wide receiver at 13 unless something drastic happens

If that is the case, why not wait till 31 to address WR then. Shanahan can scheme for Sims or Jefferson. Go O-Line, CB, or DT at 13 then?

Mar 27, 2020 at 2:57 PM

#167

elguapo
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I had to repost this just to show people how we are in a great position

Before pick 13
3 QBs
3OTs
1Edge
1LB
1CB
1 DT
1WR to be safe

So by pick 12
There's still a great
OT
DT
2 WRs

So in my opinion we can get the next best tackle to play guard or at least compete this year, tackle on defense that could replace Buckner and one of the two remaining great receivers either way were in a really good position hopefully we don't trade down more than two or three pics

Mar 27, 2020 at 3:06 PM

#168

eastcoast49ersfan
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I think we're fine trading back all the way to 18. The odds of those exact 16 players going in the top 16 are basically 0. There are plenty of other good prospects that teams will fall in love with so some of the top 16 guys we've identified will drop.

I wouldn't trade up unless Okudah falls. If we trade back with Miami for 18 and 56, I'd be thrilled even if Lamb/Ruggs are on the board.

Mar 27, 2020 at 3:16 PM

#169

Dshearn
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Lamb has the best hands in the draft. That's a major reason why he's being compared to DeAndre Hopkins. If you take Lamb's biggest strength and give it to Ruggs, I would like Ruggs way more too. Ruggs' hands measure wider from thumb to pinky but that doesn't correlate perfectly with having the best hands.

https://247sports.com/Article/CeeDee-Lamb-compared-to-NFL-All-Pro-Oklahoma-Sooners-DeAndre-Hopkins-Houston-Texas-Clemson-Tigers-144558554/

Ruggs is the more dependable catcher statistically. Lamb does catch with his body more then Ruggs, but he was also targeted more...so i don't think much of it.

Ruggs had a 2% dropped pass rate last year (1 ball that hit his hands) , and has only dropped 6 passes his entire college career. That's 6 drops in 98 pass catches.

According to PFF, Lamb dropped 5 balls against 62 catches in 2019

Again, I get it.... Targets matter... I am not knocking Lamb, but i will stand by what i said too....

Riggs has amazing Mitts.

*edited to clear up confusing 2019 and 2018 stats.

[ Edited by Dshearn on Mar 27, 2020 at 3:34 PM ]

Mar 27, 2020 at 4:44 PM

#170

MRNINESEVEN
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Originally posted by miked1978:
Originally posted by wailers15:
Trade up for Simmons !!!

no thx

OK maybe not trading up since we don't have any ammo but if he falls and he's right there... hell fkn yes you take him

Mar 27, 2020 at 4:46 PM

#171

FredFlintstone
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Originally posted by scooterhd:
Originally posted by elguapo:
I seriously doubt that will be the case especially since Shanahan is a wizard on offense and can get the most out of underachievers so I believe we will get a wide receiver at 13 unless something drastic happens

If that is the case, why not wait till 31 to address WR then. Shanahan can scheme for Sims or Jefferson. Go O-Line, CB, or DT at 13 then?

F**k that, why pass on a complete game changer and a guy who can win his 1 on 1's? It's nice to have a wizard as coach but you need absolute studs to win these days in an offensive league. You think Mahomes is who he is and Reid without a Hill or Kelce just being on the field?

Mar 27, 2020 at 9:01 PM

#172

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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
F**k that, why pass on a complete game changer and a guy who can win his 1 on 1's? It's nice to have a wizard as coach but you need absolute studs to win these days in an offensive league. You think Mahomes is who he is and Reid without a Hill or Kelce just being on the field?

I do. Alex Smith had those guys and Andy Reid and Brett Veach couldn't get him outta town fast enough the first chance they got.

Mar 27, 2020 at 9:19 PM

#173

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Instead of taking a WR at #13. Trade down for ~#20 plus early 3rd plus late 3rd or early 4th
Then instead of putting all your money on one small skinny fragile WR you turn #13 into these three good starters:

#21 CB Trevon Diggs (bad ass)
3rd RB/WR Antonio Gibson (bad ass WR/RB like Deebo (but faster) who can also play RB)
4th OT Alex Taylor (great looking young OT)

Take a WR at #31 Aiyuk or Mims (or trade down a little)
With other picks take best TE, then DL, LB, CB, etc

Mar 27, 2020 at 9:24 PM

#174

maxsmart
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
You think Mahomes is who he is and Reid without a Hill or Kelce

Kelce was a 3rd rd pick, Hill was a 5th rd pick.
You make my point. You don't need to take receivers at the top of the 1st round
Much smarter to trade down since there are many excellent WR in this draft between late 1st through the 3rd rd

[ Edited by maxsmart on Mar 27, 2020 at 9:26 PM ]

Mar 27, 2020 at 10:15 PM

#175

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Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
You think Mahomes is who he is and Reid without a Hill or Kelce

Kelce was a 3rd rd pick, Hill was a 5th rd pick.
You make my point. You don't need to take receivers at the top of the 1st round
Much smarter to trade down since there are many excellent WR in this draft between late 1st through the 3rd rd

There are and it's the reason why I won't go nuts if we don't draft a receiver at 13. But there's a reason some guys are viewed as 2nd or 3rd rounders verses a top-15 pick.

Mar 27, 2020 at 11:31 PM

#176

mayo49
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It's going to be a WR most likely, so you should just get used to it.

[ Edited by mayo49 on Mar 28, 2020 at 12:46 AM ]

Mar 28, 2020 at 2:34 AM

#177

English
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Originally posted by mayo49:
It's going to be a WR most likely, so you should just get used to it.

You new here? Whoever we pick the webzone will meltdown and he will be an instant bust!

Mar 28, 2020 at 4:44 AM

#178

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Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by wailers15:
Trade up for Simmons !!!

no thx

OK maybe not trading up since we don't have any ammo but if he falls and he's right there... hell fkn yes you take him

FU*kin NO/

...WR

Mar 28, 2020 at 4:55 AM

#179

mayo49
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Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by mayo49:
It's going to be a WR most likely, so you should just get used to it.

You new here? Whoever we pick the webzone will meltdown and he will be an instant bust!

Mar 28, 2020 at 5:48 AM

#180

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Originally posted by maxsmart:
Kelce was a 3rd rd pick, Hill was a 5th rd pick.
You make my point. You don't need to take receivers at the top of the 1st round
Much smarter to trade down since there are many excellent WR in this draft between late 1st through the 3rd rd

Every draft is different. Guys like Kelce and Hill dropped because of off field issues. Not because they weren't elite talents.

I see no reason to take a lesser talent when you need help at that position.

[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 28, 2020 at 6:05 AM ]