Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

Originally posted by NYniner85:

If they thought Kittle was gonna be Kittle they wouldn't have waiting until the 5th to take him. If we're gonna throw out Deebo (and how we can wait until the 2nd) gotta throw our Pettis who they moved up in the 2nd to get.

I think it's pretty simple. If SF has a massively higher grade on a WR then any other position at 13 and that player is there...take him. SF needs quality top talent not 15 draft picks at this pt.

You say this, but if they have DT at a higher grade and take that player you will be belly aching.

Originally posted by krizay:

You say this, but if they have DT at a higher grade and take that player you will be belly aching.

You're deflecting the point of the post

WR was issue enough that SF gave up draft picks to barrow Sanders for half a yr. He's now gone...they just paid A DT $85M.

If they feel someone like Kinlaw is a million times better than the top 3 WRs then is what it is. IMO I don't think they will.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You're deflecting the point of the post

WR was issue enough that SF gave up draft picks to barrow Sanders for half a yr. He's now gone...they just paid A DT $85M.

If they feel someone like Kinlaw is a million times better than the top 3 WRs then is what it is. IMO I don't think they will.

but not issue enough to keep him. After the Buckner trade DT was issue enough to go after Suh. While dorsett and Travis Benjamin were the only 2 WRs linked. WR is a need. But as I have said in multiple threads... we are looking for a 3rd option. 13th pick on a 3rd option?

And i'm just saying my gut says it's going to be a trade down and Blacklock. Right, wrong or indifferent. That's my gut feeling. We shall see how this all plays out.

Bottom line, we are in great shape. Basically bringing back everybody. Though I disagree, that we don't need more picks. In order to keep this team dominant we need to keep a nice young (cheap) influx of talent coming in. And not every pick is going to hit. As we well know.

Originally posted by krizay:

but not issue enough to keep him. After the Buckner trade DT was issue enough to go after Suh. While dorsett and Travis Benjamin were the only 2 WRs linked. WR is a need. But as I have said in multiple threads... we are looking for a 3rd option. 13th pick on a 3rd option?

And i'm just saying my gut says it's going to be a trade down and Blacklock. Right, wrong or indifferent. That's my gut feeling. We shall see how this all plays out.

Bottom line, we are in great shape. Basically bringing back everybody. Though I disagree, that we don't need more picks. In order to keep this team dominant we need to keep a nice young (cheap) influx of talent coming in. And not every pick is going to hit. As we well know.

Again you're deflecting the pt of my original comment. You can't throw out Deebo without throwing out Pettis. You can say that they thought Kittle would be this super star, if they did they wouldn't have waiting until the 5th rd.

If DT was such a massive need they would have actually got someone instead of "looked at" Suh. There wasn't anything worth spending money at the WR position.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Again you're deflecting the pt of my original comment. You can't throw out Deebo without throwing out Pettis. You can say that they thought Kittle would be this super star, if they did they wouldn't have waiting until the 5th rd.

If DT was such a massive need they would have actually got someone instead of "looked at" Suh. There wasn't anything worth spending money at the WR position.

Lmao! What point am i deflecting? If anything your point is helping my case. They waited for their guy.

If you're point was to say that waiting brings a risk. All I'll say is.... you can't bring up Pettis without bringing up JJ Stokes, Rashaun Woods & AJ Jenkins.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Again you're deflecting the pt of my original comment. You can't throw out Deebo without throwing out Pettis. You can say that they thought Kittle would be this super star, if they did they wouldn't have waiting until the 5th rd.

If DT was such a massive need they would have actually got someone instead of "looked at" Suh. There wasn't anything worth spending money at the WR position.

Lmao! What point am i deflecting? If anything your point is helping my case. They waited for their guy.

If you're point was to say that waiting brings a risk. All I'll say is.... you can't bring up Pettis without bringing up JJ Stokes, Rashaun Woods & AJ Jenkins.

How dare you mention JJ Stokes with those two. Kidding but yes they have to go WR. I keep saying the defense can give a little strength for the offense to gain.

Originally posted by krizay:

Lmao! What point am i deflecting? If anything your point is helping my case. They waited for their guy.

If you're point was to say that waiting brings a risk. All I'll say is.... you can't bring up Pettis without bringing up JJ Stokes, Rashaun Woods & AJ Jenkins.

You brought up waiting for skilled position players and provided ONLY the good players conveniently.

Dude I don't care about what OTHER FOs did regarding draft picks.

Originally posted by Vancouver49er:
But we haven't really had a deep threat in the last few seasons, and the offense has been fine.

And isn't it reasonable to believe that this offense could be better with a credible deep threat that defenses always have to account for?

. I am not convinced that Jimmy G can throw the deep ball consistently anyway

This really doesn't make any sense. The deep passing in an offense is usually the last part to develop and requires the most chemistry. Its hard to be consistently good at it when you don't do it very often. Is that a Shanahan thing or a personnel thing? Looking at Shanahan's history as a playcaller in Houston, Washington, Cleveland and Atlanta, it appears to be far more of an issue with the personnel. Goodwin was supposed to be the deep threat but his availability has been limited at best and even then he's never been a particularly skilled receiver. Garoppolo on the other hand has shown plenty of ability to throw the ball deep but he needs consistent targets that can stretch a defense and he really hasn't had that.

Our Offense next season will showcase Kittle and Deebo in the receiving department. And Bourne in the Red Zone. Where does that leave a rookie 13th pick WR? On the side lines with limited snaps?

Playing a heck of a lot of snaps. The WR group right now is basically Deebo and Bourne. And Bourne isn't anything special, he's a #3 WR at best on a decent WR corps. Hurd and Taylor remain massive question marks. If Deebo goes down with an injury, this becomes by far the worst receiving corps in the NFL, without question. You can't base the success of an entire group on just one guy, there needs to be somebody else. And hopefully, a couple more guys.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
Lmao! What point am i deflecting? If anything your point is helping my case. They waited for their guy.

If you're point was to say that waiting brings a risk. All I'll say is.... you can't bring up Pettis without bringing up JJ Stokes, Rashaun Woods & AJ Jenkins.

You brought up waiting for skilled position players and provided ONLY the good players conveniently.

Dude I don't care about what OTHER FOs did regarding draft picks.

Convenience huh?

Huh? When you keep investing into the same position with your highest picks yr after yr you can't afford to keep all of them when contracts are do.

Spending 2nd and 3rd rd capital isn't the same as spending top 20 picks over and over on DL.

We've drafted one edge rusher in the top 50 since 2012 and that was Tank...SF has spend 3 top 20 picks on DT since 2015.

But yea, you don't care about what OTHER FOs did regarding draft picls

FWIW the 49ers are looking into Ezra Cleveland an OT ranked 49th by CBS. Maybe he is a darkhorse candidate for 31st or a trade down. Either way OL, I believe should be the #1 priority for the team.

Joe isn't gonna be around too much longer and McGlinchey isn't consistent enough in pass pro to move over. Richburg can't make it through a season without getting hurt and he's about average when on the field. They cut Person and Tomlinson while consistent, seems to commit penalties on the most critical snaps.

I could see, the 49ers trading down from 13 to the late teens or early 20's and getting a 2nd rd pick out of it, while still being able to grab Ruggs or Jefferson if WR is where they want to go there. Then trading down again with the 31st for a 2nd and 4th or something. Then grabbing an OL and DB with the two 2nd rounders.

Also, Solomon Thomas, Kentavius Street, Jullian Taylor, Ronald Blair, Dj Jones, and Arik Amrstead all have the ability to play on the interior.

Nick Bosa, Dee Ford, and Damontre Moore are the true edge rushers. 1 of those guys has to come off the field every game due to chronic ailments and another is unproven and had a season ending injury.

So ER is higher than IDL to me.

1. OL
2. CB
3. DB
4. ER
5. LB
6. S
7. DL
8. PR

Originally posted by NinerLegionnaire:

Also, Solomon Thomas, Kentavius Street, Jullian Taylor, Ronald Blair, Dj Jones, and Arik Amrstead all have the ability to play on the interior.

Nick Bosa, Dee Ford, and Damontre Moore are the true edge rushers. 1 of those guys has to come off the field every game due to chronic ailments and another is unproven and had a season ending injury.

So ER is higher than IDL to me.

1. OL
2. CB
3. DB
4. ER
5. LB
6. S
7. DL
8. PR

1. CB
2. ER
3. OT
4. IDL
5. WR
6. OG/C
7. TE
8. S
9. LB

How'd i rank it as we sit here today. Not necessarily the order I'd draft. Just how I'd rank them

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

You think Mahomes is who he is and Reid without a Hill or Kelce

Kelce was a 3rd rd pick, Hill was a 5th rd pick.
You make my point. You don't need to take receivers at the top of the 1st round
Much smarter to trade down since there are many excellent WR in this draft between late 1st through the 3rd rd

I would agree if we didnt let Sanders walk. We need a plug and play WR now who wont take long to adapt to the NFL as receivers usually take longer.

Jeudy or Ruggs for me. Or the tackle Thomas. If none are there trade back into the 20s.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

You're deflecting the point of the post

WR was issue enough that SF gave up draft picks to barrow Sanders for half a yr. He's now gone...they just paid A DT $85M.

If they feel someone like Kinlaw is a million times better than the top 3 WRs then is what it is. IMO I don't think they will.

but not issue enough to keep him. After the Buckner trade DT was issue enough to go after Suh. While dorsett and Travis Benjamin were the only 2 WRs linked. WR is a need. But as I have said in multiple threads... we are looking for a 3rd option. 13th pick on a 3rd option?

And i'm just saying my gut says it's going to be a trade down and Blacklock. Right, wrong or indifferent. That's my gut feeling. We shall see how this all plays out.

Bottom line, we are in great shape. Basically bringing back everybody. Though I disagree, that we don't need more picks. In order to keep this team dominant we need to keep a nice young (cheap) influx of talent coming in. And not every pick is going to hit. As we well know.

My hope is they didnt keep Sanders because they know they are grabbing a WR at #13. They damn near have to after letting Sanders go. I think it was a mistake UNLESS they are grabbing Jeudy or Ruggs at #13.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:

but not issue enough to keep him. After the Buckner trade DT was issue enough to go after Suh. While dorsett and Travis Benjamin were the only 2 WRs linked. WR is a need. But as I have said in multiple threads... we are looking for a 3rd option. 13th pick on a 3rd option?

And i'm just saying my gut says it's going to be a trade down and Blacklock. Right, wrong or indifferent. That's my gut feeling. We shall see how this all plays out.

Bottom line, we are in great shape. Basically bringing back everybody. Though I disagree, that we don't need more picks. In order to keep this team dominant we need to keep a nice young (cheap) influx of talent coming in. And not every pick is going to hit. As we well know.

Again you're deflecting the pt of my original comment. You can't throw out Deebo without throwing out Pettis. You can say that they thought Kittle would be this super star, if they did they wouldn't have waiting until the 5th rd.

If DT was such a massive need they would have actually got someone instead of "looked at" Suh. There wasn't anything worth spending money at the WR position.

Sanders was IMHO. We could have afforded that contract he got from the Saints.

But if Shanalynch knows they are going to draft a WR at #13 then letting Sanders go is acceptable.