Jerry Tillery-DT Notre Dame

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

This is neat - it leads back to our struggle we're having on how to draft. Can we subscribe to just one philosophy?

For pick 2, it's simple (to me): In Tier 1 (Bosa, Q), there are two Elite players in this draft, and we have pick #2. It is a complete fail if don't end up with Bosa, Q, or more picks. Take the elite prospect, don't think twice about it, figure the rest out later.

For pick 36, it's different (or maybe it isn't). At this pick, we've either gotten Q, traded down, or gotten Bosa (or failed). For fun (and sake of argument, which I wholly endorse) let's assume Tillery is the BPA at 36 (and he's the last player available in that Tier - meaning, there is a Noticeable drop-off between him and the rest of our board).

• At 2 we picked Q: We can't justify taking Tillery, can we? I mean, I just used the "Tier" argument for pick 2, but now I'm saying disregard it and move on. Taking a DT at picks 2 and 36 is not the best thing for this franchise, so, that quickly, we abandon BPA.
• At 2 we picked Bosa: How can we justify not taking Tillery? He's BPA, by a noticeable margin right? Is it our biggest need? No, but he's BPA, so we should take him.
• At 2 we traded down: Almost have take Tillery at 36, unless we drafted a DT in round 1, and then we're back to abandoning BPA picking.
• At 2 we failed: I have nothing to add here because it makes me mad to think about it and I'm trying to work on my anger.

So, I can easily make the case for taking him - we take him as the BPA at 36, but only if we don't take Q at 2, in which case we throw away BPA and use Need as our main driver.

EDIT: And fuk this midget smoldering me. I'm not sure what I did to deserve this. Best April 1 y'all done ever. I'm going to go work on my anger.

That's what I'm saying...if we're willing to invest the 2nd overall pick at DT why can't we do that at 36 if he's BPA? He's got pro-bowl qualities and some great flim. I personally don't think we need a DT at all but if we're doing BPA regardless of need, then why the hell not?

His snatch and rip is 🔥

There's your Reggie white hump move

Dude is a straight monster

All I know is he beat the crap out of my Cardinal ... I haven't really followed him after that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He's been comped to Chris Jones from KC and I can see the resemblance. Guys like him are a reason why Q doesn't have to be the pick at 2 IF we're in such need for a DT (which we aren't).

If you don't think he's worthy of a top 5 pick like Q is (apparently not if you think he'll be there @ 36)...then this makes no sense at all. Silver being popular or nice doesn't lessen the worth of gold.

It's fine if this guy registers as a very good DT prospect,...but Q is a GREAT DT prospect. There will be good DE prospects that fall to 36 as well,...so the argument is circular. (I know I know, big word. don't understand)

in such a need for a DT

To hell with filling a "need" @ the #2 spot. We're trying to land a generational-type player @ #2 that sticks with us for years. We'll worry about needs later.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

All I know is he beat the crap out of my Cardinal ... I haven't really followed him after that.

Dude I just watched that game, he was f**king s**t up

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

He's been comped to Chris Jones from KC and I can see the resemblance. Guys like him are a reason why Q doesn't have to be the pick at 2 IF we're in such need for a DT (which we aren't).

If you don't think he's worthy of a top 5 pick like Q is (apparently not if you think he'll be there @ 36)...then this makes no sense at all. Silver being popular or nice doesn't lessen the worth of gold.

It's fine if this guy registers as a very good DT prospect,...Q is a GREAT DT prospect. There will be good DE prospects that fall to 36 as well,...so the argument is circular. (I know I know, big word. don't understand)

in such a need for a DT

To hell with filling a "need" @ the #2 spot. We're trying to land a generational-type player @ #2 that sticks with us for years. We'll worry about needs later.

And tillery probably would be a top 10 guy if not for the torn labrum. Same with Simmons if not for the torn ACL. Both guys were f**king dominant in college.

How about you go watch him instead of poo pooing him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And tillery probably would be a top 10 guy if not for the torn labrum. Same with Simmons if not for the torn ACL. Both guys were f**king dominant in college.

How about you go watch him instead of poo pooing him.

Would you be ok with us taking him at 2?

If your answer is no,...then that pretty much ends the convo right there (because you've already said that Bosa is 1A and Q is 1B).

If your answer is yes, then maybe you're at least going somewhere with your opinion....it's just that it defeats your other opinion (taking him @ 36, because if he's worth #2, there's no reason for you to think he'd be there @ 36).

Originally posted by random49er:

Would you be ok with us taking him at 2?

If your answer is no,...then that pretty much ends the convo right there.

If your answer is yes, then maybe you're at least going somewhere with your opinion....it's just that it defeats your other opinion (taking him @ 36, because if he's worth #2, there's no reason for you to think he'd be there @ 36).

What are you talking about? He's not healthy right now, so no I wouldn't take him at 2.

My whole pt is if we're doing this whole BPA thing and he somehow drops to us at 36 (because of his injury) he will be BPA so we take him according to you? Same thing could apply to Jeffery Simmons.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What are you talking about? He's not healthy right now, so no I wouldn't take him at 2.

Then there's nothing left to say past that. Get someone @ #2 that's worth #2.

A guy that isin't healthy and not already on your team shouldnt pressure you into skipping over someone you believe is a great player at the same position. #NonFactor@2

Whomever you believe is the guy (Q,...Bosa...Allen),...you take him. Your career depends on it.

Originally posted by random49er:

Then there's nothing left to say past that. Get someone @ #2 that's worth #2.

A guy that isin't healthy and not already on your team shouldnt pressure you into skipping over someone you believe is a great player at the same position. #NonFactor@2

I'm assuming you've never even watched him play...he's got pro-bowler written all over him. Chris Jones 2.0 who was actually a 2nd rd pick.

He's got a torn labrum, which he should be fine come TC. If he drops to 36 because of that, why can't we take him if you're in love with the BPA motto? Why can't we take Simmons?

I'm not saying anything about skipping on Q for Tillery, this is based around him not being the pick at 2 which I don't think he will be.

Any1st round talent that gets pushed to 36 has to be considered. Tillery is 1st round talent. I'd have no problem if he was our pick at 36.

Meh. Not a big fan. Im a notre dame fan and he never really impressed me. I was a MUCH bigger fan of Day and Rochell. But hey, i didnt think harrison Smith would be an all pro and i thought sam young (Right tackle) would be an all pro.