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Originally posted by tjd808185:It's a bit worrisome to see him at camp because if he impresses, clicks with KK they may run with him. I wish he went the Cutler route and just said enough with this crap.
Originally posted by tjd808185:It's a bit worrisome to see him at camp because if he impresses, clicks with KK they may run with him. I wish he went the Cutler route and just said enough with this crap.
Originally posted by Chance:It's more likely his personality does not click, since he has a documented history of being abrasive.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by Chance:It's more likely his personality does not click, since he has a documented history of being abrasive.
People also said Kyle had a history of being abrasive. Some coaches will have issues with a guy like Rosen because he is very inquisitive, doing something just because "I told you so" doesn't really fly with him. He wants to know why so he can use it to improve his understanding and get better overall.
Personally I think that he and Belichick would hit it off extremely well.
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:This assertion is asinine. He wants to get as close to a first-round pick as possible so he can "save face"?
"One AFC executive told me this week the Cardinals have received at least two offers for Rosen but want to "save face" and get as close to a first-round pick as possible."
In what universe does a GM not try to get the maximize the return value for a player they're trading away?
We don't need a narrative to explain what the Cardinals are doing. They're trying to get as much as possible because that's what teams do every time.
Originally posted by Chance:Being a critical thinker isn't what I'm referring too. His character as a person and a leader is concerning. But hey, I don't really know the guy, so maybe he's not as bad as he was portrayed leading up to his draft.
Originally posted by NYniner85:Former NFL GM Scot McCloughan said he has heard that the Arizona Cardinals will select Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray.
http://johnkeimreport.libsyn.com/john-keim-report-5
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Personally I think that he and Belichick would hit it off extremely well.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Not a single player in the Arizona locker room had a bad thing to say about him and many praised his leadership. Maybe there was a lot of BS coming pre-draft from teams looking to hit his draft stock?
Originally posted by random49er:Originally posted by Waterbear:Originally posted by random49er:Originally posted by Waterbear:There's no doubt in my mind that the Cardinals will take Murray. Why would the Cardinals give us the chance to trade down for a massive haul like the Rams got years back.
After the combine many had him around 13th to the Dolphins.
Just wondering what has changed since then to where he is worth a massive haul??
He could still get bored after a couple years and go back to baseball.
Also post combine many had him go to the Cardinals?
You didn't finish that sentence for the Cardinals tho. "...many had him go to the Cardinals because the new coach's former fondness with Murray added to the fact that he's never coached Rosen there, and the offense he ran @ Texas Tech,... so the organization could get away with hinting at Murray."
His value was somewhat assured because of the combine,...but not heavily inflated because of Mock Drafts to the Cards. Please don't confuse the 2,...a Mock draft is simply guessing what teams will do, not at all evaluation rankings.
Not sure what's the point there.
No point aside from the above,...just a question. When did he become worth a bunch of picks? It's possible he could've crept up to #1, but I haven't heard much to suggest he's worth a litany of picks.
If you follow the draft every year QBs get more and more hyped up no matter where they should really go. Teams without a QB will pay high prices to trade up for the one they think can be a franchise QB.
All Kyler Murray did was probably have the greatest single season any college player has ever had while going on to win the Heisman. If you don't think teams would trade up for that I don't think you been paying attention to recent drafts.
They love what he's done,...which is why he's skyrocketed up to a pretty much assured 1st round pick. We can't ignore the question marks though (height, pro-style offense conversion, another sport) and act like everyone's fighting to get him. If people have heard such, I'd like to know...
There's no reason to believe we wouldn't get a huge haul for Kyler Murray.
I have plenty of reasons to doubt that,...but huge haul like what for example??
Originally posted by Waterbear:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ninernoise.com/2019/02/11/nfl-draft-brief-history-trade-ups-quarterbacks/amp/
Like I said review the history of teams trading up for QBs. There's certainly a track record for teams trading up to get their QB.
If you're not seeing why Kyler Murray is one of the best prospects to come out in the draft that's on you. If you don't think he would garner a Jared Goff like trade up that's on you. Again I had Mahomes as the best QB in the draft a few years back and people had concerns about him just like Murray.
Whoops to those teams right? The league is changing. Teams understand that spread QBs are doing just fine now that the NFL is adopting college schemes.
If anything, we're not hearing a lot about teams trying to trade up for Murray because they know it's probably a done deal he's gonna be gone. That's got to be a huge part of this.
I don't get how you can say 13th overall is what people value him as but only the Cardinals value him that high to pick him at 1 overall because of KK? That's BS.
All say it again, greatest single season for a College player ever and IMO the greatest running QB of all time already (yes, over Michael Vick).
and added 1,000 yards rushing on top of all that too. Holy 
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by Chance:It's more likely his personality does not click, since he has a documented history of being abrasive.
People also said Kyle had a history of being abrasive. Some coaches will have issues with a guy like Rosen because he is very inquisitive, doing something just because "I told you so" doesn't really fly with him. He wants to know why so he can use it to improve his understanding and get better overall.
Personally I think that he and Belichick would hit it off extremely well.
Originally posted by NYniner85:Former NFL GM Scot McCloughan said he has heard that the Arizona Cardinals will select Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray.
http://johnkeimreport.libsyn.com/john-keim-report-5
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:Originally posted by NYniner85:Former NFL GM Scot McCloughan said he has heard that the Arizona Cardinals will select Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray.
http://johnkeimreport.libsyn.com/john-keim-report-5
Hopefully not on the booze again