General 2019 NFL Draft Discussion

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Any chance in hell AZ trades with us? I was watching them and edge is a luxury. They need o-line and a dt. Honestly is QW destroys the bowl game he may be their guy.

I'm not trading anything of value with Arizona.

We are in a win win situation because I only see 2 elite players at the top of this draft. Haskins might change that, but that is also a win for us if he goes #1 or we trade down and secure multiple first and second round picks in the process.

If no trades occur, then whoever Zona doesn't take, we take. No need to trade up.

I understand, but I think both teams agree on bpa and need.

Sure we'd have to give a little extra, but imo overpaying a tad for Bosa is well worth it. Sure we help a rival, but that's business. They get their guy and a solid extra pick. But we also got the guy we needed etc.

I still doubt they will and like you said they will hope someone else has a hard on for Haskins or something but I'd also imagine they don't want to trade to far down either.

Isn't their speculation the coach is being fired as well? What about their GM?

Now that the season is over, top 10 selections in the past draft were all either great or very good players (only exception might be Rosen). I don't remember such a highly productive top 10 class. It seemed like you couldn't miss there, every pick was a hit

Originally posted by alwayssecond:

Now that the season is over, top 10 selections in the past draft were all either great or very good players (only exception might be Rosen). I don't remember such a highly productive top 10 class. It seemed like you couldn't miss there, every pick was a hit

I still like Rosen. I think he will be fine

Originally posted by alwayssecond:

Now that the season is over, top 10 selections in the past draft were all either great or very good players (only exception might be Rosen). I don't remember such a highly productive top 10 class. It seemed like you couldn't miss there, every pick was a hit

Not just the top 10, most of the top 20 resulted in productive players. Vea, Payne, Davenport, James, Edmunds, Alexander, Vander Esch. After a season it looks like a very good draft class.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by alwayssecond:

Now that the season is over, top 10 selections in the past draft were all either great or very good players (only exception might be Rosen). I don't remember such a highly productive top 10 class. It seemed like you couldn't miss there, every pick was a hit

Not just the top 10, most of the top 20 resulted in productive players. Vea, Payne, Davenport, James, Edmunds, Alexander, Vander Esch. After a season it looks like a very good draft class.

Might be the best in the class

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I still like Rosen. I think he will be fine

He has a bad habit of overthrowing open receivers. Beyond that, they really need to get him some weapons to throw, actual blocking and a creative playcaller.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Might be the best in the class

If you stand in front of a mirror and say "Jaire Alexander" three times, Hysterikal will be summoned.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I still like Rosen. I think he will be fine

He has a bad habit of overthrowing open receivers. Beyond that, they really need to get him some weapons to throw, actual blocking and a creative playcaller.

His O line was hands down the worst in the NFL. And now he's going to have a new coach and OC. The Cardinals are following how not to develop a QB handbook perfectly

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I still like Rosen. I think he will be fine

He has a bad habit of overthrowing open receivers. Beyond that, they really need to get him some weapons to throw, actual blocking and a creative playcaller.

I didn't bring him up

Kyle Crabbs at The Draft Network released his big board's top 150 today. #3 overall is interesting.

Prospects 25-125. WR Kelvin Harmon, North Carolina State
24. OT Yodny Cajuste, West Virginia
23. iDL Jeffery Simmons, Mississippi State
22. TE T.J. Hockenson, Iowa
21. iOL Chris Lindstrom, Boston College
20. SAF Nasir Adderley, Delaware
19. TE Noah Fant, Iowa
18. iOL Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin
17. LB Devin White, LSU
16. QB Dwayne Haskins, Ohio State
15. CB Deandre Baker, Georgia
14. OT Cody Ford, Oklahoma
13. EDGE Josh Allen, Kentucky
12. WR N'Keal Harry, Arizona State
11. EDGE Jachai Polite, Florida
10. iDL Raekwon Davis, Alabama
9. WR D.K. Metcalf, Mississippi
8. EDGE Clelin Ferrell, Clemson
7. OT Jonah Williams, Alabama
6. iDL Ed Oliver, Houston
5. CB Byron Murphy, Washington
4. SAF Deionte Thompson, Alabama
3. EDGE Brian Burns, Florida State
2. iDL Quinnen Williams, Alabama
1. EDGE Nick Bosa, Ohio State

26-150 :https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/02/crabbs-expanded-2019-big-board-top-150/3/

Originally posted by Heroism:

Kyle Crabbs at The Draft Network released his big board's top 150 today. #3 overall is interesting.

Prospects 25-125. WR Kelvin Harmon, North Carolina State
24. OT Yodny Cajuste, West Virginia
23. iDL Jeffery Simmons, Mississippi State
22. TE T.J. Hockenson, Iowa
21. iOL Chris Lindstrom, Boston College
20. SAF Nasir Adderley, Delaware
19. TE Noah Fant, Iowa
18. iOL Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin
17. LB Devin White, LSU
16. QB Dwayne Haskins, Ohio State
15. CB Deandre Baker, Georgia
14. OT Cody Ford, Oklahoma
13. EDGE Josh Allen, Kentucky
12. WR N'Keal Harry, Arizona State
11. EDGE Jachai Polite, Florida
10. iDL Raekwon Davis, Alabama
9. WR D.K. Metcalf, Mississippi
8. EDGE Clelin Ferrell, Clemson
7. OT Jonah Williams, Alabama
6. iDL Ed Oliver, Houston
5. CB Byron Murphy, Washington
4. SAF Deionte Thompson, Alabama
3. EDGE Brian Burns, Florida State
2. iDL Quinnen Williams, Alabama
1. EDGE Nick Bosa, Ohio State

26-150 :https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/02/crabbs-expanded-2019-big-board-top-150/3/

Draft network ain't buying on Greedy that's for sure

Originally posted by Heroism:

Kyle Crabbs at The Draft Network released his big board's top 150 today. #3 overall is interesting.

Prospects 25-125. WR Kelvin Harmon, North Carolina State
24. OT Yodny Cajuste, West Virginia
23. iDL Jeffery Simmons, Mississippi State
22. TE T.J. Hockenson, Iowa
21. iOL Chris Lindstrom, Boston College
20. SAF Nasir Adderley, Delaware
19. TE Noah Fant, Iowa
18. iOL Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin
17. LB Devin White, LSU
16. QB Dwayne Haskins, Ohio State
15. CB Deandre Baker, Georgia
14. OT Cody Ford, Oklahoma
13. EDGE Josh Allen, Kentucky
12. WR N'Keal Harry, Arizona State
11. EDGE Jachai Polite, Florida
10. iDL Raekwon Davis, Alabama
9. WR D.K. Metcalf, Mississippi
8. EDGE Clelin Ferrell, Clemson
7. OT Jonah Williams, Alabama
6. iDL Ed Oliver, Houston
5. CB Byron Murphy, Washington
4. SAF Deionte Thompson, Alabama
3. EDGE Brian Burns, Florida State
2. iDL Quinnen Williams, Alabama
1. EDGE Nick Bosa, Ohio State

26-150 :https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/02/crabbs-expanded-2019-big-board-top-150/3/

It's cause he's good

FWIW Crabbs has been super high on Burns for a while

What is everyone's opinions on Stanford's JJ Arcega-Whiteside? Got to see him play in person and the guy is a beast. A Mike Evans type of player. Looks like he is projected a mid 2nd round pick.

Originally posted by CV49er:

What is everyone's opinions on Stanford's JJ Arcega-Whiteside? Got to see him play in person and the guy is a beast. A Mike Evans type of player. Looks like he is projected a mid 2nd round pick.

He seems more like Michael Crabtree than Mike Evans. He's listed at 6'3 (but likely to measure at 6'2-6'2.5"). He has long arms and good hands but he looks like a possession receiver and probably turns in a slower 40 time than Evans who is a solid deep threat as well. Freaks like Mike Evans don't get drafted in the second round though (DGB is an exception but didn't have the length of Evans and had a lot of red flags).

http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1003336&draftyear=2020&genpos=WR

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by alwayssecond:
Now that the season is over, top 10 selections in the past draft were all either great or very good players (only exception might be Rosen). I don't remember such a highly productive top 10 class. It seemed like you couldn't miss there, every pick was a hit

Not just the top 10, most of the top 20 resulted in productive players. Vea, Payne, Davenport, James, Edmunds, Alexander, Vander Esch. After a season it looks like a very good draft class.

It was a great class. Major impact