Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Why did you use the word likely? I would argue because you also believe it's too early to give up on them yet as well. Also, the point is besides the draft picks, most of the DTs we have on the roster have already proven to be solid contributors/NFL Starters at worst.

You don't turn down All Pro level upside over replacement level talent. I said likely because we don't know if Street can ever be a starter but even then he figures in at big end, not nose tackle.

The Broncos had plenty of edge rushers, still went out and got Chubb who was a monster for them. They didn't pass up on a future star because they had Shane Ray and Shaq Barrett waiting in the wings.

When a team is lousy for too long, fans tend to overrate mediocre players. They get so starved for success that they remember the one time that one guy blew up in a preseason game or that one crushing hit or sack he made in the 4th quarter of a blowout and suddenly that guy is a future star waiting to bust out, he just needs a shot.

The reality usually is that it is just a mediocre player that won't amount to anything making a few nice plays but when your team sucks, you need some reason to believe.

Somehow I doubt you're worried about what might happen to Marsh or Watson if the 49ers bring in a couple of elite level edge rushers.

Great post!!!!

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Williams would play NT and 3tech in passing situations.

Mitchell is garbage not sure why you would care about him missing playing time it being cut. Our defense got 10x better with Jones in the lineup, just imagine what Williams would do.

We have kept 3 NT on the roster so not sure why you think that would change? Jones and Day could both still have roles.

Blair and Street will compete for BE and drafting Williams would have no impact on them only an outside DL would.

I never understood the Taylor pick, hes a good player but he was so redundant to what we already have it didn't make sense.

So I'm warming up to QW, as long as they can upgrade edge in FA I'm fine with it.

Bosa > trade down> if no trade down QW

I'd be happy with any of those scenarios

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Why did you use the word likely? I would argue because you also believe it's too early to give up on them yet as well. Also, the point is besides the draft picks, most of the DTs we have on the roster have already proven to be solid contributors/NFL Starters at worst.

You don't turn down All Pro level upside over replacement level talent. I said likely because we don't know if Street can ever be a starter but even then he figures in at big end, not nose tackle.

The Broncos had plenty of edge rushers, still went out and got Chubb who was a monster for them. They didn't pass up on a future star because they had Shane Ray and Shaq Barrett waiting in the wings.

When a team is lousy for too long, fans tend to overrate mediocre players. They get so starved for success that they remember the one time that one guy blew up in a preseason game or that one crushing hit or sack he made in the 4th quarter of a blowout and suddenly that guy is a future star waiting to bust out, he just needs a shot.

The reality usually is that it is just a mediocre player that won't amount to anything making a few nice plays but when your team sucks, you need some reason to believe.

Somehow I doubt you're worried about what might happen to Marsh or Watson if the 49ers bring in a couple of elite level edge rushers.

Great post!!!!

Isn't this the same logic as to why the Cards will take Bosa, then?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So I'm warming up to QW, as long as they can upgrade edge in FA I'm fine with it.

Bosa > trade down> if no trade down QW

I'd be happy with any of those scenarios

Eff that. Saleh will turn him into a BE or LEO.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So I'm warming up to QW, as long as they can upgrade edge in FA I'm fine with it.

Bosa > trade down> if no trade down QW

I'd be happy with any of those scenarios

Eff that. Saleh will turn him into a BE or LEO.

Go vent in the Saleh thread lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So I'm warming up to QW, as long as they can upgrade edge in FA I'm fine with it.

Bosa > trade down> if no trade down QW

I'd be happy with any of those scenarios

I'm thinking this logically as well, but I do want to see more of Allen, greedy, JW etc.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Isn't this the same logic as to why the Cards will take Bosa, then?

Lol 100%. I thought about that earlier. Everyone saying AZ doesn't need an edge (true) but if they do we must take QW, blah blah lol

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So I'm warming up to QW, as long as they can upgrade edge in FA I'm fine with it.

Bosa > trade down> if no trade down QW

I'd be happy with any of those scenarios

I'm thinking this logically as well, but I do want to see more of Allen, greedy, JW etc.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Isn't this the same logic as to why the Cards will take Bosa, then?

Lol 100%. I thought about that earlier. Everyone saying AZ doesn't need an edge (true) but if they do we must take QW, blah blah lol

The second JanaFatass kicked that game winning FG, I could literally hear the entire State of Arizona cheering, "Bosa! Bosa! Bosa!" all the way in San Diego. They're taking Bosa, grabbing an offensive minded HC and going FA for offense.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Is Q. Williams a better prospect than Donald?

As prospects? Yes, but Donald is now light years better than he was when he entered the draft because he took his elite talent and raised it to another level with hard work on both his body and mind. Yet people see Donald now as a pass rushing menace and arguably the 3T GOAT, but he did drop in the draft even after impressing at both the senior bowl and combine because he came out with question marks as a prospect, mainly because of his size.

Now the people around Quinnen say he has A+ character to go with his elite skill set, so you hope that he follows the same path as Donald when he enters the league, but nothing is certain with any of these prospects and knowing how things like money or adversity might affect them.

As pure prospects though, both have elite first steps and incredible hands. Donald is more explosive, while Williams is stronger. They share a lot of the same traits though. I still think Warren Sapp is a better comp for Q because Donald really has no comparison because of his unique size and athleticism playing inside.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Go vent in the Saleh thread lol

Sorry!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Why did you use the word likely? I would argue because you also believe it's too early to give up on them yet as well. Also, the point is besides the draft picks, most of the DTs we have on the roster have already proven to be solid contributors/NFL Starters at worst.

You don't turn down All Pro level upside over replacement level talent. I said likely because we don't know if Street can ever be a starter but even then he figures in at big end, not nose tackle.

The Broncos had plenty of edge rushers, still went out and got Chubb who was a monster for them. They didn't pass up on a future star because they had Shane Ray and Shaq Barrett waiting in the wings.

When a team is lousy for too long, fans tend to overrate mediocre players. They get so starved for success that they remember the one time that one guy blew up in a preseason game or that one crushing hit or sack he made in the 4th quarter of a blowout and suddenly that guy is a future star waiting to bust out, he just needs a shot.

The reality usually is that it is just a mediocre player that won't amount to anything making a few nice plays but when your team sucks, you need some reason to believe.

Somehow I doubt you're worried about what might happen to Marsh or Watson if the 49ers bring in a couple of elite level edge rushers.

Great post!!!!

Isn't this the same logic as to why the Cards will take Bosa, then?

Yup

Originally posted by NCommand:

Isn't this the same logic as to why the Cards will take Bosa, then?

Depends which player they value more. I don't see a huge gap between the two. By the time we get to the draft, there might be none at all. Bosa has an advantage because he is an edge rusher which traditionally is valued more. If Arizona goes with Bosa, then so be it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Williams would play NT and 3tech in passing situations.

Mitchell is garbage not sure why you would care about him missing playing time it being cut. Our defense got 10x better with Jones in the lineup, just imagine what Williams would do.

We have kept 3 NT on the roster so not sure why you think that would change? Jones and Day could both still have roles.

Blair and Street will compete for BE and drafting Williams would have no impact on them only an outside DL would.

I never understood the Taylor pick, hes a good player but he was so redundant to what we already have it didn't make sense.

So I'm warming up to QW, as long as they can upgrade edge in FA I'm fine with it.

Bosa > trade down> if no trade down QW

I'd be happy with any of those scenarios

Yay! Lol. Imagine if we had Graham Buckner Williams and Burns/Polite in a trade up scenario.

I'm just so tried of having meh players. It's not a shock to me that we keep having injuries and the team still competes. We have a lot of players who belong in the NFL but we need impact starters.

I agree with that list but I'm still worried about a trade down with Lynch not having the best drafts so far. But we need to come away one of a few of Bosa, Williams, Allen, Burns, Polite, Metcalf.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Isn't this the same logic as to why the Cards will take Bosa, then?

Depends which player they value more. I don't see a huge gap between the two. By the time we get to the draft, there might be none at all. Bosa has an advantage because he is an edge rusher which traditionally is valued more. If Arizona goes with Bosa, then so be it.

People might not agree with it, but I still think that if a team see the two as equal prospects, then Quinnen Williams will most likely be the #1 pick because he eats, sleeps and breathes football and football guys love that type of attitude. Bosa quitting on his team for self interest will probably hurt him if all else is equal and a GM is looking for the tie breaker.

I could be 100% wrong on this because I know nothing about the Cards GM and his personality.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
People might not agree with it, but I still think that if a team see the two as equal prospects, then Quinnen Williams will most likely be the #1 pick because he eats, sleeps and breathes football and football guys love that type of attitude. Bosa quitting on his team for self interest will probably hurt him if all else is equal and a GM is looking for the tie breaker.

I could be 100% wrong on this because I know nothing about the Cards GM and his personality.

The assumption that Bosa goes to AZ is based on there being a gap between him and the rest of the field. If that gap disappears for QW, than I think AZ goes with QW based on their roster needs. I honestly don't believe Bosa's decision to shut it down & get surgery will play a role. jmho

I'm not saying any of that looks likely in December, but a lot can change between here & April. I saw someone (Ledyard?) on Draft Network talking about QW pushing Bosa for top prospect a week or two ago.

Originally posted by NCommand:

The second JanaFatass kicked that game winning FG, I could literally hear the entire State of Arizona cheering, "Bosa! Bosa! Bosa!" all the way in San Diego. They're taking Bosa, grabbing an offensive minded HC and going FA for offense.

And not getting s**t in FA because they have a lame duck GM. Players look for stability as well as cash/fit.

I don't see a bunch of FAs wanting to head to AZ