Rashan Gary, EDGE, Michigan

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
We have ends that are busts.... Keep it real dude... Keep it real you think he is a bust..

DO NOT put words in my mouth...I hate that f**king s**t. I never said he was a bust. Keep up with the defensive s**t and I'm done with this discussion.

We currently have like 4 solid big end guys in Streets/Blair/Thomas/AA we do not need another. Also it's projecting with Gary, you've been screaming about for months with the facts that he's mainly been a edge rusher.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Ok question, Are any of our big ends as fast as Josh Allen on our squad currently. "Big Ends"

When Lynch drafted Thomas, he was thinking of Rashan Gary thats all I'm saying and it's very relevant if you asked me...

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Ok question, Are any of our big ends as fast as Josh Allen on our squad currently. "Big Ends"

When Lynch drafted Thomas, he was thinking of Rashan Gary thats all I'm saying and it's very relevant if you asked me...

Why use a guy that has 10% snaps on edge up to his senior year and or was considered undersized and questioned his strength? And put him on Edge?!?!?

Either that or it was because they were classmates I'm trying not to go there you see..........................

Now that's bias but I ain't trying go there.....

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Ok question, Are any of our big ends as fast as Josh Allen on our squad currently. "Big Ends"

When Lynch drafted Thomas, he was thinking of Rashan Gary thats all I'm saying and it's very relevant if you asked me...

Josh Allen is not a big end in this scheme...he's a strong side linebacker. He would rush on the opposite side as our LEO. At this point we have nothing there. Allen is much faster (has flexibility as a speed rusher) even though that doesn't matter (he's not a big end) he won't play that position.

Look we're gonna be in nickel a ton. Allen can cover, edge set vs TEs (which is the SAMs role in base), and he will be a DE in sub. Gary would play a similar role to Thomas no doubt. in out SNickle he would rush from the outside (and we have like 4 dudes that already an do that), but more often than not in passing situations he would be an interior rusher. Issue is that's a projection we don't have a ton of film of him as a interior pass rusher. That's all I'm saying. Tools are there but it's all projection at this point and I'm not all about that at 2.

Has nothing to do with me hating him or whatever.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Josh Allen is not a big end in this scheme...he's a strong side linebacker. He would rush on the opposite side as our LEO. At this point we have nothing there. Allen is much faster (has flexibility as a speed rusher) even though that doesn't matter (he's not a big end) he won't play that position.

Look we're gonna be in nickel a ton. Allen can cover, edge set vs TEs (which is the SAMs role in base), and he will be a DE in sub. Gary would play a similar role to Thomas no doubt. in out SNickle he would rush from the outside (and we have like 4 dudes that already an do that), but more often than not in passing situations he would be an interior rusher. Issue is that's a projection we don't have a ton of film of him as a interior pass rusher. That's all I'm saying. Tools are there but it's all projection at this point and I'm not all about that at 2.

Has nothing to do with me hating him or whatever.

I know he is a linebacker..... Rashan Gary is as fast as a linebacker thus you're comments on we have a ton of big ends is mute...

Why? Because no we do not have a Big End that can move as fast as a linebacker as well as labeled explosive...

My point is made. You say we have a ton of big ends... I say none are remotely close to the prospect Rashan Gary is... Simple.

So in reality you calling him a bust.... See??? If you saying we already have a ton of big ends... Yea dude you calling him a bust... Sorry we don't have a ton of Rashan Gary's

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Why use a guy that has 10% snaps on edge up to his senior year and or was considered undersized and questioned his strength? And put him on Edge?!?!?

Either that or it was because they were classmates I'm trying not to go there you see..........................

Most Niner fans questioned it....especially since he was one of the best DT in the country that yr.

I also gave you my opinion as to why they put him outside ( I will copy and paste again).

1. run defense seemed to be the top priority and he's a very good edge defender
2. We simple have no weak-side edge rushers
3. 4-3 DE edge rushers are move valuable than DTs. He has athletic ability, but doesn't have the nuances to be an effective full-time edge rusher (same as Gary IMO).

Gary could be a better big end/interior rusher than Thomas, I don't doubt that...issue is you're projecting his position same as Thomas. Thomas play DT they pushed him outside (projected), Gary played DE and your gonna rush him from the interior (projected).

I'm not about that game with another top 5 pick. just draft a guy and play him at the same position he was a beast at in college. There's a correlation of success when you do that.

Speed kills, speed of a linebacker combined with explosiveness, athleticism and determination... That's just his god given talents... You cannot teach that like the podcast you posted mentioned why some are so in love with this prospect...

None of those "big ends" can compare to Rashan Gary.

He will be the next Cam Jordan if not better... I'll put money on him being better than Bosa if both their careers last for years given their health.

I believe Rashan Gary when he says don't confuse scheme with him. Maybe thats biased to some but so is drafting you're classmate I guess..

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
I know he is a linebacker..... Rashan Gary is as fast as a linebacker thus you're comments on we have a ton of big ends is mute...

Why? Because no we do not have a Big End that can move as fast as a linebacker as well as labeled explosive...

My point is made. You say we have a ton of big ends... I say none are remotely close to the prospect Rashan Gary is... Simple.

So in reality you calling him a bust.... See??? If you saying we already have a ton of big ends... Yea dude you calling him a bust... Sorry we don't have a ton of Rashan Gary's

Da f**k you talking about?? you act like all that matters is if a dude is fast lol.

So now you're gonna play Gary at LBer, what? Allen and Gary DO NOT PLAY THE SAME POSITION. one has the nuances of a edge rusher the other overall doesn't. ONE is actually a need the other is not. Gary might be better as a big end then who we currently have BUT, we do have good young talent in place at that position...a couple times over.

You're straw man argument is getting really annoying man. I can say we have two good OTs or a good QB, say we don't need to draft a good one at 2....that does NOT equal that I think a prospect who plays one of those positions is a bust. Simply saying we have young quality talent already in place at those positions. How hard is that to understand??

Again do not put words in my mouth and make up false narratives about what I'm saying just to continue a argument. You're all over the place

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Speed kills, speed of a linebacker combined with explosiveness, athleticism and determination... That's just his god given talents... You cannot teach that like the podcast you posted mentioned why some are so in love with this prospect...

None of those "big ends" can compare to Rashan Gary.

He will be the next Cam Jordan if not better... I'll put money on him being better than Bosa if both their careers last for years given their health.

I believe Rashan Gary when he says don't confuse scheme with him. Maybe thats biased to some but so is drafting you're classmate I guess..

Also.

When you have a 6'5 280 moving like he move as fast as a linebacker combined with his Explosiveness and Athleticism.

Stop it NY.. Of course it matters... Speed kills... That first step is deadly...

Stop pretending NY it's not relevant. This is a new breed... Of course it matters... No we do not have that.... 😂

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Speed kills, speed of a linebacker combined with explosiveness, athleticism and determination... That's just his god given talents... You cannot teach that like the podcast you posted mentioned why some are so in love with this prospect...

None of those "big ends" can compare to Rashan Gary.

He will be the next Cam Jordan if not better... I'll put money on him being better than Bosa if both their careers last for years given their health.

I believe Rashan Gary when he says don't confuse scheme with him. Maybe thats biased to some but so is drafting you're classmate I guess..

Also.

When you have a 6'5 280 moving like he move as fast as a linebacker combined with his Explosiveness and Athleticism.

Stop it NY.. Of course it matters... Speed kills... That first step is deadly...

Stop pretending NY it's not relevant. This is a new breed... Of course it matters... No we do not have that.... 😂

Which brings me back to point A, if he was so explosive yadda yadda yadda why only 9.5 career sacks? You would think he was a weakside rusher the way you make him out to be, but he's simply not and nor should he be at the next level.

I can honestly say, I'm so glad Lynch won't be drafting Gary at #2.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Also.

When you have a 6'5 280 moving like he move as fast as a linebacker combined with his Explosiveness and Athleticism.

Stop it NY.. Of course it matters... Speed kills... That first step is deadly...

Stop pretending NY it's not relevant. This is a new breed... Of course it matters... No we do not have that.... 😂

You're so deeply in love it's crazy.

Speed kills sure didn't show up on film from a edge rusher perspective though. WHICH is what we need not another big end/DT.

End of story we don't need another big end we have that position filled up to brim currently. SF has too many holes to be adding another one to the roster.

Wait a minute. Rashan Gary only had 9.5 sacks in THREE YEARS!

All this time I thought that number was his single season mark LOL.

Injury prone Bosa almost doubled him up in sacks.

"He only had 9.5 career sacks. Look at being a finisher, a closer, that's something teams will debate. I think he goes Top 10 but there are some question marks. If you're not going to get it done in college, can you do it in the NFL?" - Kiper

Gary is definitely not someone we need.

We don't need another developmental tweener 5-tech/3-tech. We have 5 or so guys who can fill that role. We need an edge player who can produce off the edge. You can't start 11 3 techniques

He is an Edge. He also has the moves like Jagger..... "Hold on"!!!! 👀🍿

Do you see those feet? You are not getting it.. No defensive lineman has his ceiling in this draft class. I put my money on Rashan Gary...

Very relevant..... Very..... You cannot teach that explosiveness, that speed, that first step, that foot work... He has too much that you cannot teach...... Simply put..

He is going to destroy that combine... Get the popcorn 🍿 ready.... Remember who has been saying since last year...

He has "it"..... There's no need for a sales pitch... You see it. That's factory made.. That's 6'5 280lbs moving like that.... That's f**king ridiculous...