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Rashan Gary, EDGE, Michigan

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Jan 31, 2019 at 5:45 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
DO you understand how LITTLE a 40 time means for a defensive lineman? no one gives a s**t, they're not running 40 yards down field.

Please stop throwing that out there no one cares.

There's all sorts of film of him playing the edge and most of it is very underwhelming. There's a ton of "athletic" DL that fail at being an edge rusher he simply doesn't have the nuances...no more projecting players at positions when drafting in the 1st.





Sure as hell do... His first step is explosive and there is video out there for coaches to work with...

Unlike Solomon Thomas who never had the snaps nor the footages...

Speed kills especially with his explosiveness..
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Jan 31, 2019 at 5:47 AM ]
Jan 31, 2019 at 5:50 AM
I can see drafting him in a trade down but not at 2. Many other players I'd rather have before him.
Jan 31, 2019 at 5:51 AM
He's not an edge rusher. Maybe he'll become one some day, but he's not there yet.

He's merely shown he has the physical traits to do it. On the field though, he's never proven that he can bring down the QB.

His upside makes him a 1st rounder. The concerns about his inconsistency and lack of production should keep him out of contention for the #2 pick. His best fits our defense s a BE, not LEO. We don't need another one of those.

We clearly need a LEO. You're defending the hell out of this guy. Are you saying he's a LEO?
[ Edited by strickac on Jan 31, 2019 at 5:54 AM ]
Jan 31, 2019 at 5:52 AM
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Dude he showed he can be. There's no chance in hell he is going back to 297lbs because you want him to... That was baby fat senior year in high school, freshman year in college...

Also he has the snaps at edge and dt all his life... This isn't new..

He dropped the weight for a reason because he is still as powerful and didn't lose his strength.. He can be used but it's obvious he wants to be an edge??

Coaches don't give a s**t if he "wants" to be an edge rusher. They will put him where they think he will be the most dominant. It sure as s**t was off the edge.

I've provided plenty of film, analysis, and objective articles showing why he's a issue out there as a pass rusher. You got guys like the TDN and Voch (who's opinions I value) saying he's not a pure edge guy...maybe in a Snickle lineup, but he could very well be an Aaron Donald type guy inside (in a couple yrs). it's projecting BUT you already know what he is off the edge, there's enough tape.

He's got too many question marks to take at 2nd overall. Films not there, it's just not.
Jan 31, 2019 at 5:55 AM
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:



Sure as hell do... His first step is explosive and there is video out there for coaches to work with...

Unlike Solomon Thomas who never had the snaps nor the footages...

Speed kills especially with his explosiveness..

He out athlete guys who will be selling insurance in a couple yrs big f**king deal...Not sure how many times you gotta copy and paste the same clips. HE IS NOT A EDGE RUSHER.

watch 20 mins long....I won't comment back until you actually watch

.be
Jan 31, 2019 at 5:57 AM



Speed, explosiveness and that first step sure as hell makes a difference.

Did Solomon Thomas have that first step? Explosiveness off the edge...

He has more tools you cannot teach..
Jan 31, 2019 at 5:59 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He out athlete guys who will be selling insurance in a couple yrs big f**king deal...Not sure how many times you gotta copy and paste the same clips. HE IS NOT A EDGE RUSHER.

watch 20 mins long....I won't comment back until you actually watch

.be

"Gary also already has some pass-rush moves in his locker. The swim is a clear part of his repertoire, and he has had success with the rip move, which he used when running this stunt to beat now-Cincinnati Bengal Billy Price and deliver a quarterback hit on J.T. Barrett."

Who are you fooling NY?!?!?!?! The article is front page on the forum???? CINCINNATI BENGALS...

I can say that to you.... You are not even paying attention dude?
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Jan 31, 2019 at 6:00 AM ]
Jan 31, 2019 at 6:00 AM
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:



Speed, explosiveness and that first step sure as hell makes a difference.

Did Solomon Thomas have that first step? Explosiveness off the edge...

He has more tools you cannot teach..

Solomon never had that first step. He was never considered an option at #17 either
Jan 31, 2019 at 6:01 AM
https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2015-many-question-marks-49ers-consider-rashan-gary-second-overall/

"Gary also already has some pass-rush moves in his locker. The swim is a clear part of his repertoire, and he has had success with the rip move, which he used when running this stunt to beat now-Cincinnati Bengal Billy Price and deliver a quarterback hit on J.T. Barrett."

Debunked.. I can say you are the one not paying attention? Any more false narratives?!?!?!
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Jan 31, 2019 at 6:02 AM ]
Jan 31, 2019 at 6:04 AM
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:



Speed, explosiveness and that first step sure as hell makes a difference.

Did Solomon Thomas have that first step? Explosiveness off the edge...

He has more tools you cannot teach..

No one cares what random people from Michigan have to say about Gary. Stop posting them like their relevant please.
Put the Thomas s**t to the side (his athletic testing actually showed explosiveness) Gary is a linear rusher same as Thomas. COD/Bend and poor ankle flexion are issues with his game. He doesn't have the nuances, just doesn't. Get him inside with his explosiveness/quick first step and he could be very good.
Jan 31, 2019 at 6:09 AM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
No one cares what random people from Michigan have to say about Gary. Stop posting them like their relevant please.
Put the Thomas s**t to the side (his athletic testing actually showed explosiveness) Gary is a linear rusher same as Thomas. COD/Bend and poor ankle flexion are issues with his game. He doesn't have the nuances, just doesn't. Get him inside with his explosiveness/quick first step and he could be very good.

You say he doesn't do against nfl caliber players yet I show you in his best game.. On an nfl player, playing currently. 🤨

Tell me about it... That's what I said along time ago.. There's absolutely no comparisons and I was just replying to someone that mentioned him and provided information why it's apples and oranges to compare.

You accuse me of not paying attention at the same time ignoring he did it against an nfl player? His best game at that! Lol

I respect that others think he is a DT... Maybe at 297lbs 4-5 years ago... Not at 280lbs and now...Nope
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Jan 31, 2019 at 6:13 AM ]
Jan 31, 2019 at 6:15 AM
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
He out athlete guys who will be selling insurance in a couple yrs big f**king deal...Not sure how many times you gotta copy and paste the same clips. HE IS NOT A EDGE RUSHER.

watch 20 mins long....I won't comment back until you actually watch

.be

"Gary also already has some pass-rush moves in his locker. The swim is a clear part of his repertoire, and he has had success with the rip move, which he used when running this stunt to beat now-Cincinnati Bengal Billy Price and deliver a quarterback hit on J.T. Barrett."

Who are you fooling NY?!?!?!?! The article is front page on the forum???? CINCINNATI BENGALS...

I can say that to you.... You are not even paying attention dude?

You clearly didn't watch the video...what's the point in have a discussion with you about a prospect when you get so uptight when he get's critiqued? There's no discussion just you being bent out of shape and google searching quotes.

So we gotta run stunts to actually see some production out of him as a edge rusher??? You DO NOT draft that at 2. Great he beat a center, something I think he can do as a 3-tech.

Only person in here that's being fooled is the Michigan man Wu. You can't be objective with anyone from your favorite team. You can't handle honest feedback. It's like groundhog day in this thread. I've seen the same clips and same articles regurgitated over and over and over.

You see the article's headline on the front page? "Too many question-marks for 49ers to consider Rashan Gary second overall" AND I AGREE.
Jan 31, 2019 at 6:16 AM
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2015-many-question-marks-49ers-consider-rashan-gary-second-overall/

"Gary also already has some pass-rush moves in his locker. The swim is a clear part of his repertoire, and he has had success with the rip move, which he used when running this stunt to beat now-Cincinnati Bengal Billy Price and deliver a quarterback hit on J.T. Barrett."

Debunked.. I can say you are the one not paying attention? Any more false narratives?!?!?!

You forgot to mention this too:

"Yet instances where Gary uses these moves to create pressure are far outweighed by ones where he has no answer to when his initial rush stalls. Counter moves are not something he has developed at this stage of his career and Gary's tape appears to be that of a player who does not approach pass rushing with a plan of attack.

Between his athleticism, his power, his run-stopping ability and the obvious dedication with which he plays, Gary checks a lot of the boxes for a potential first-rounder. However, the reality is that he is a player without a defined best position, having been unable to produce at an elite level either on the edge or inside, and will need to land with a coaching staff with a clear plan in place for him and a team blessed with experienced rushers who can help hone his game."
Jan 31, 2019 at 6:18 AM
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
You say he doesn't do against nfl caliber players yet I show you in his best game.. On an nfl player, playing currently. ????

Tell me about it... That's what I said along time ago.. There's absolutely no comparisons and I was just replying to someone that mentioned him and provided information why it's apples and oranges to compare.

You accuse me of not paying attention at the same time ignoring he did it against an nfl player? His best game at that! Lol

I respect that others think he is a DT... Maybe at 297lbs 4-5 years ago... Not at 280lbs and now...Nope

Who's this NFL player? Why can't he gain weight? You telling me he can't put on 10lbs? BS...he wants to be an edge rusher because they make more money. I don't fault him for that, he simply doesn't have the nuances to be an edge rusher.
Jan 31, 2019 at 6:19 AM
Originally posted by Alfienator:
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2015-many-question-marks-49ers-consider-rashan-gary-second-overall/

"Gary also already has some pass-rush moves in his locker. The swim is a clear part of his repertoire, and he has had success with the rip move, which he used when running this stunt to beat now-Cincinnati Bengal Billy Price and deliver a quarterback hit on J.T. Barrett."

Debunked.. I can say you are the one not paying attention? Any more false narratives?!?!?!

You forgot to mention this too:

"Yet instances where Gary uses these moves to create pressure are far outweighed by ones where he has no answer to when his initial rush stalls. Counter moves are not something he has developed at this stage of his career and Gary's tape appears to be that of a player who does not approach pass rushing with a plan of attack.

Between his athleticism, his power, his run-stopping ability and the obvious dedication with which he plays, Gary checks a lot of the boxes for a potential first-rounder. However, the reality is that he is a player without a defined best position, having been unable to produce at an elite level either on the edge or inside, and will need to land with a coaching staff with a clear plan in place for him and a team blessed with experienced rushers who can help hone his game."

Never said he didn't have things to work on... NY said... He did it against bums or players that are not in the nfl...

I posted it to show him he was wrong and it's him not paying attention to me because he did against an active Bengals player.... His best game I might add!!!! Osu in 2017..... 10 tackles 2 sacks and forgot the tfl.....

To me he has too much that you cannot teach vs teachable things like the article NY posted yesterday... or podcast... You see NY I listen...
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Jan 31, 2019 at 6:24 AM ]
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