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Rashan Gary, EDGE, Michigan

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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
For those of you who have asked my review of Gary, I am copying what I posted earlier in this thread (see time stamp below)

Feb 17, 2019 at 10:10 PM
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Finished my review of Gary's work in 2018. Watched almost every snap (I don't feel confident about analyzing any one player without seeing the vast majority of their snaps in a season...in Gary's case I only missed the Western Michigan game...so I saw 8 of the 9 games from 2018). I don't focus on splash wins or losses as the basis of my analysis (i will let someone else review highlight videos), but snap by snap wins. Does the player defeat his opponent consistently? Does the player make a strong impact on the game?
Here are some thoughts:
* Gary is a better run defender than pass rusher.
* Gary does a solid job of stacking blockers, and shedding them for tackles. He is not dynamic as a run defender who makes a lot of tackles for loss (6.5 for the season), but does hold up well against the run. Not a good idea to use a TE to run block against Gary. He will win too often.
* He possesses good, but not great, lateral skills for a player who is considered an elite athlete. Gary is more of an up the field mover (North and South) mover. Can he run to the sideline? Sure. But, he is a straight-line speed guy. That is his strength.
* Gary is MUCH better as a RDE than LDE. His productivity was strikingly different, win percentage much lower. I don't have a total # of snaps for each side, but I would venture to say that he was a RDE on 60% of snaps and 30% as a LDE, with about 10% inside.
* Gary comes off the ball quickly on passing downs. He is pretty fast off the snap. At the same time, there is very little bend to Gary. He is not a guy who runs the arc well.
*Gary's best attribute on passing downs is using burst and brute strength to push the OT backwards toward the QB. He doesn't do this enough. This is his top trait as a pass rusher.
* He has very limited secondary moves in pass rushing. If he get locked on, he is almost always done. Lacks a spin move. Really needs to add this to his game. Motor drops off quickly when initial move is stopped.
* Gary will have a splash play on a series and then have multiple series where he is really quiet. There is not a consistent domination of the opponent.
* I don't see the competitive fire that define many other top-tier athletes in this draft. Matched up against Isaiah Prince of OSU in a rivalry game, he was SO quiet. I expected more in a huge rivalry game.
My analysis is based on Gary's game tape. He is regarded as one of the freak athletes in this draft, and is primed to be a big winner at the combine as a world-class athlete. I just didn't see this translate to enough productivity on the field. It seems the push by many is to move him inside to DT where he can use his sudden, up the field movement and solid rush defense in the middle of the defense. He didn't take a lot of snaps there in 2018, but it may be his best option.
Fortunately, for Gary, someone is going to be enamored with the freaky physical traits he possesses, and he will be drafted far outside where I grade him. To me, as a DE. he is a mid-late second round draft grade, fringe top 50 player, based on productivity and wins. He is not going to be a bust, because there are parts of his game that are solid. But, this is not a top 10 player. Maybe he can take his game to a whole new level. But, that is a risky proposition for a team that is basing its analysis more on potential than tape. I wish nothing but the best for Gary in his future career.
P.S. Gary had the unfortunate landing spot in my analysis, directly after Ed Oliver, who is a flat-out stud monster who dominates games, and wins on a high percentage of snaps. I was primed to see the same level of dominance. But, Gary's play pales in comparison to Oliver.

From the comments, it looks like this includes your analysis after the combine. Is that right?

My analysis was posted on February 17. I have not edited it since the combine.

And I agree with them

Edge or inside... He creates pressure... It doesn't matter he is amatchup nightmare!!! Consistently you have to scheme for him...

What happens when they almost always double and triple team you? That's called taking your most important piece out the game..

Thus there should be a void for Winovich and Bush to attack.. It's simple math.

Generational talent. Inside or Out... Doesn't matter.. He does it both very well.. He is a nightmare matchup one on one... You will not best him without double or triple teams.. That's why don brown moved him all over that line....

Get Bosa and Gary then. With Buckner in the middle? Lmao.. Call it a day. That would be a great day... Get two of the best pass rushers and everything else through free agency. Why not? Who needs db's when you got them 3 🤪
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Mar 4, 2019 at 3:09 PM ]
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Edge or inside... He creates pressure... It doesn't matter he is amatchup nightmare!!! Consistently you have to scheme for him...

What happens when they almost always double and triple team you? That's called taking your most important piece out the game..

Thus there should be a void for Winovich and Bush to attack.. It's simple math.

Generational talent. Inside or Out... Doesn't matter.. He does it both very well.. He is a nightmare matchup one on one... You will not best him without double or triple teams.. That's why don brown moved him all over that line....

Get Bosa and Gary then. With Buckner in the middle? Lmao.. Call it a day. That would be a great day... Get two of the best pass rushers and everything else through free agency. Why not? Who needs db's when you got them 3 🤪


AA creates pressure to along with getting no sacks so we dont need Gary ..
We need a real edge player ...
[ Edited by tatdwolf49 on Mar 4, 2019 at 3:19 PM ]
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
AA creates pressure to along with getting no sacks so we dont need Gary ..
We need a real edge player ...

You are really comparing AA to a Rashan Gary? Seriously
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
You are really comparing AA to a Rashan Gary? Seriously

Sure why not ???
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Where would I draft Gary?

I'd 2nd round pick would be right where I value him. If I'm drafting a lineman in the 1st round I expect more production and less excuses. Like he was tripled or doubled every time when in actuality that's false.

I love how some ignore the facts... Blaming him for scheme related issues... Debunked..

You can lie to yourselves not me.. He dominated, some just are not bothering to research. Sad.. How long have I been saying this fellas? How many times??? He didn't have the same job and wasn't asked to rush but when he did!!! It looked great... You never listen to what I said.. Sad. Not bothering to Research > Excuses.... Don Brown defense is not a regular defense.. Scheme wise...

[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Mar 4, 2019 at 5:18 PM ]
Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

I love how some ignore the facts... Blaming him for scheme related issues... Debunked..

You can lie to yourselves not me.. He dominated, some just are not bothering to research. Sad


So if Gary played tha anchor/5-tech isn't that tha same position DeForest plays for us ??? And Deforest had 12 sacks this past yr with not alot of other help ...Yet Gary couldn't get 12 sacks in 3 yrs sacks even with his side kick Winovich ..
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
So if Gary played tha anchor/5-tech isn't that tha same position DeForest plays for us ??? And Deforest had 12 sacks this past yr with not alot of other help ...Yet Gary couldn't get 12 sacks in 3 yrs sacks even with his side kick Winovich ..

He wasn't asked to!!!!! He was asked to hold first!!! Are you not reading how the defense worked or what his role was?

We have no Viper position. Right? His job was to take on blockers to open up for Winovich and Bush...

Learn how he was used, Learn his job before blaming him for something he wasn't asked to do!!! Sheesh!!!

When he was asked!! He did a great job! Reevaluate please, you cannot blame a running back for not throwing 400 yards a game if he wasn't asked to.

You cannot argue or debate without the facts..
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Mar 4, 2019 at 5:46 PM ]
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Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

And yet he's not even the best defensive player on his own team. Everyone knows the kids a freaky athlete you can quit repeating that. We need players not athletes though.
Originally posted by Jcool:

Apparently he's ignoring the facts that because he's a supreme athlete he will dominate the NFL
Originally posted by Stanley:
Originally posted by Jcool:

Apparently he's ignoring the facts that because he's a supreme athlete he will dominate the NFL

Funny because he got schooled why... Deflecting his job role continues?

Even with the truth some still in denial.. lmao
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Mar 4, 2019 at 6:37 PM ]

Meanwhile when he was "asked" to rush... He did a great job!!! Mobile Qb's and Rb's...

In the nfl he will fly instead of hold... I'm going to lmao when he racks up sacks..

Keep deflecting his job role. Then I get suspended but some can continue to deny the facts... Amazing.. That's trolling...

How long have I been telling you guys scheme related? He even told you guys but you guys were so into trolling, you don't even bother to check his job role.. WoW.... Transparent much?

I cannot believe mods allow it. Then some have the nerve to report me... because they couldn't do more research... Sad... tbh...

When he balls out.. I am going to laugh that we passed him up... Then I get suspended for speaking the truth.. Admit it. You didn't bother to research.... Admit it..

People don't like the truth do they?? They love to live in their own lies.... Trust me I know.. It's transparent. Really sad and lazy posting. You are only lying to yourselves.

You cannot debate with people who refuse to look at the facts..
[ Edited by Wu-5Rings on Mar 4, 2019 at 6:57 PM ]
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