Rashan Gary, EDGE, Michigan

Originally posted by Sunshine:

WRONG!!! Open field running down qb's and rb's...

When Qb's and Rb's run, he hunts them down!!! Once Russell Wilson slips away he is gone with that 4.55 speed.. It's going to be hard for Bosa with his speed..

Gary has the speed. 4.58 with length and vertical to block or catch Russell Wilson...

You need an athletic freak vs Russell Wilson..

Russell Wilson is not running away from him... He makes it very hard for mobile Qb's and rb's that run.... JT Barett is a very fast mobile Qb... Martinez was as well.. He puts pressure all day on mobile fast Qb's..

It doesn't show sometimes but double and triple teaming him is the only way.. Scheme!!! Then Don Brown sends Chase Winovich and Devin Bush because they are double and triple teaming Gary!!! Scheme!!!! Once they start double and triple teaming you adapt.... Scheme!!!

Chess match ♟

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

What de had more pressures than him in 2017? Winovich that's it..

According to the graphic you posted, at least 16 people had more pressures than him. And 5 people had more than Chase (who I actually really like).

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

What de had more pressures than him in 2017? Winovich that's it..

According to the graphic you posted, at least 16 people had more pressures than him. And 5 people had more than Chase (who I actually really like).

As a duo had over 50 pressures.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

What de had more pressures than him in 2017? Winovich that's it..

According to the graphic you posted, at least 16 people had more pressures than him. And 5 people had more than Chase (who I actually really like).

No one had over 50 pressures but Chase and Rashan.

Once again, the image you posted refutes that. It says Chase was 6th in pressures and Gary was tied 17th.

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Once again, the image you posted refutes that. It says Chase was 6th in pressures and Gary was tied 17th.

Again in the beginning of 2018 until the shoulder started to bother him..


No other duo had over 50 pressures a piece... Gary 50, Winovich 56.

The only one who had more pressures than Gary was Winovich with 56... These are facts. That combination was the best in college football period when healthy.

He consistently pressures the Qb thus demanding triple and double teams.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
For those of you who have asked my review of Gary, I am copying what I posted earlier in this thread (see time stamp below)

Feb 17, 2019 at 10:10 PM
#1664
MadDog49erHall of FamePosts: 18,643
Finished my review of Gary's work in 2018. Watched almost every snap (I don't feel confident about analyzing any one player without seeing the vast majority of their snaps in a season...in Gary's case I only missed the Western Michigan game...so I saw 8 of the 9 games from 2018). I don't focus on splash wins or losses as the basis of my analysis (i will let someone else review highlight videos), but snap by snap wins. Does the player defeat his opponent consistently? Does the player make a strong impact on the game?
Here are some thoughts:
* Gary is a better run defender than pass rusher.
* Gary does a solid job of stacking blockers, and shedding them for tackles. He is not dynamic as a run defender who makes a lot of tackles for loss (6.5 for the season), but does hold up well against the run. Not a good idea to use a TE to run block against Gary. He will win too often.
* He possesses good, but not great, lateral skills for a player who is considered an elite athlete. Gary is more of an up the field mover (North and South) mover. Can he run to the sideline? Sure. But, he is a straight-line speed guy. That is his strength.
* Gary is MUCH better as a RDE than LDE. His productivity was strikingly different, win percentage much lower. I don't have a total # of snaps for each side, but I would venture to say that he was a RDE on 60% of snaps and 30% as a LDE, with about 10% inside.
* Gary comes off the ball quickly on passing downs. He is pretty fast off the snap. At the same time, there is very little bend to Gary. He is not a guy who runs the arc well.
*Gary's best attribute on passing downs is using burst and brute strength to push the OT backwards toward the QB. He doesn't do this enough. This is his top trait as a pass rusher.
* He has very limited secondary moves in pass rushing. If he get locked on, he is almost always done. Lacks a spin move. Really needs to add this to his game. Motor drops off quickly when initial move is stopped.
* Gary will have a splash play on a series and then have multiple series where he is really quiet. There is not a consistent domination of the opponent.
* I don't see the competitive fire that define many other top-tier athletes in this draft. Matched up against Isaiah Prince of OSU in a rivalry game, he was SO quiet. I expected more in a huge rivalry game.
My analysis is based on Gary's game tape. He is regarded as one of the freak athletes in this draft, and is primed to be a big winner at the combine as a world-class athlete. I just didn't see this translate to enough productivity on the field. It seems the push by many is to move him inside to DT where he can use his sudden, up the field movement and solid rush defense in the middle of the defense. He didn't take a lot of snaps there in 2018, but it may be his best option.
Fortunately, for Gary, someone is going to be enamored with the freaky physical traits he possesses, and he will be drafted far outside where I grade him. To me, as a DE. he is a mid-late second round draft grade, fringe top 50 player, based on productivity and wins. He is not going to be a bust, because there are parts of his game that are solid. But, this is not a top 10 player. Maybe he can take his game to a whole new level. But, that is a risky proposition for a team that is basing its analysis more on potential than tape. I wish nothing but the best for Gary in his future career.
P.S. Gary had the unfortunate landing spot in my analysis, directly after Ed Oliver, who is a flat-out stud monster who dominates games, and wins on a high percentage of snaps. I was primed to see the same level of dominance. But, Gary's play pales in comparison to Oliver.

From the comments, it looks like this includes your analysis after the combine. Is that right?

https://media.profootballfocus.com/2018/12/1816-OverHyped-Rashan-Gary-768x432.jpg

According to PFF, Gary had 24 QB Pressures in 2018. Burns had 68 QB Pressures in 2018.

Gary had a pass rush grade of 68.3. Sweat's was at 81.1. Sweat had 44 pressures this season which ranked 30th among edge defenders. I am not sure where Gary finished, but I am guessing somewhere below 50th in the nation.

Pressures from other players: Dre'Mont Jones (52), Jerry Tillery (50) and Quinnen Williams (48).

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-six-over-hyped-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
For those of you who have asked my review of Gary, I am copying what I posted earlier in this thread (see time stamp below)

Feb 17, 2019 at 10:10 PM
#1664
MadDog49erHall of FamePosts: 18,643
Finished my review of Gary's work in 2018. Watched almost every snap (I don't feel confident about analyzing any one player without seeing the vast majority of their snaps in a season...in Gary's case I only missed the Western Michigan game...so I saw 8 of the 9 games from 2018). I don't focus on splash wins or losses as the basis of my analysis (i will let someone else review highlight videos), but snap by snap wins. Does the player defeat his opponent consistently? Does the player make a strong impact on the game?
Here are some thoughts:
* Gary is a better run defender than pass rusher.
* Gary does a solid job of stacking blockers, and shedding them for tackles. He is not dynamic as a run defender who makes a lot of tackles for loss (6.5 for the season), but does hold up well against the run. Not a good idea to use a TE to run block against Gary. He will win too often.
* He possesses good, but not great, lateral skills for a player who is considered an elite athlete. Gary is more of an up the field mover (North and South) mover. Can he run to the sideline? Sure. But, he is a straight-line speed guy. That is his strength.
* Gary is MUCH better as a RDE than LDE. His productivity was strikingly different, win percentage much lower. I don't have a total # of snaps for each side, but I would venture to say that he was a RDE on 60% of snaps and 30% as a LDE, with about 10% inside.
* Gary comes off the ball quickly on passing downs. He is pretty fast off the snap. At the same time, there is very little bend to Gary. He is not a guy who runs the arc well.
*Gary's best attribute on passing downs is using burst and brute strength to push the OT backwards toward the QB. He doesn't do this enough. This is his top trait as a pass rusher.
* He has very limited secondary moves in pass rushing. If he get locked on, he is almost always done. Lacks a spin move. Really needs to add this to his game. Motor drops off quickly when initial move is stopped.
* Gary will have a splash play on a series and then have multiple series where he is really quiet. There is not a consistent domination of the opponent.
* I don't see the competitive fire that define many other top-tier athletes in this draft. Matched up against Isaiah Prince of OSU in a rivalry game, he was SO quiet. I expected more in a huge rivalry game.
My analysis is based on Gary's game tape. He is regarded as one of the freak athletes in this draft, and is primed to be a big winner at the combine as a world-class athlete. I just didn't see this translate to enough productivity on the field. It seems the push by many is to move him inside to DT where he can use his sudden, up the field movement and solid rush defense in the middle of the defense. He didn't take a lot of snaps there in 2018, but it may be his best option.
Fortunately, for Gary, someone is going to be enamored with the freaky physical traits he possesses, and he will be drafted far outside where I grade him. To me, as a DE. he is a mid-late second round draft grade, fringe top 50 player, based on productivity and wins. He is not going to be a bust, because there are parts of his game that are solid. But, this is not a top 10 player. Maybe he can take his game to a whole new level. But, that is a risky proposition for a team that is basing its analysis more on potential than tape. I wish nothing but the best for Gary in his future career.
P.S. Gary had the unfortunate landing spot in my analysis, directly after Ed Oliver, who is a flat-out stud monster who dominates games, and wins on a high percentage of snaps. I was primed to see the same level of dominance. But, Gary's play pales in comparison to Oliver.

From the comments, it looks like this includes your analysis after the combine. Is that right?

My analysis was posted on February 17. I have not edited it since the combine.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

https://media.profootballfocus.com/2018/12/1816-OverHyped-Rashan-Gary-768x432.jpg

According to PFF, Gary had 24 QB Pressures in 2018. Burns had 68 QB Pressures in 2018.

Gary had a pass rush grade of 68.3. Sweat's was at 81.1. Sweat had 44 pressures this season which ranked 30th among edge defenders. I am not sure where Gary finished, but I am guessing somewhere below 50th in the nation.

Pressures from other players: Dre'Mont Jones (52), Jerry Tillery (50) and Quinnen Williams (48).

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-six-over-hyped-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft

Again he missed 5 games because of an injury and played through it. Do you realize this. Or is everyone just ignoring the facts? He got injured before week 1 vs ND game..

He played most of the season hurt!!! Look at the date... The week before week 1 vs ND...

Are you guys listening to what I am saying?? Obviously not..

Why are you guys not listening to me? He played the whole season injured missed 5 games...

Look at the date!!!! He played injured 2018 season!!! Durability!!!!!! Helloooo

August 2018!!!!!!!!!!!Right before game 1 vs ND

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

This rumor will hurt you more, Rashan Gary reportedly has a shoulder injury that could hold him out for awhile. 😳

— Heat (@BP_Heat20) August 26, 2018

He played most of the season hurt!!! Look at the date... The week before week 1 vs ND...

Are you guys listening to what I am saying?? Obviously not..

Why are you guys not listening to me? He played the whole season injured missed 5 games...

Look at the date!!!! He played injured 2018 season!!! Durability!!!!!! Helloooo

August 2018!!!!!!!!!!!Right before game 1 vs ND

Playing injured is not durability, it's just dumb.

You can debate with everyone on this board until draft day I don't think you're going to convince anyone he should be selected 2nd overall since no one here sees him as the kinda edge guy we are looking for.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Playing injured is not durability, it's just dumb.

Damn if do, Damn if you don't!! He tried playing through it. Then he missed 5 games...

It was an unfortunate injury at the wrong time if ever. Right before game one.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

https://media.profootballfocus.com/2018/12/1816-OverHyped-Rashan-Gary-768x432.jpg

According to PFF, Gary had 24 QB Pressures in 2018. Burns had 68 QB Pressures in 2018.

Gary had a pass rush grade of 68.3. Sweat's was at 81.1. Sweat had 44 pressures this season which ranked 30th among edge defenders. I am not sure where Gary finished, but I am guessing somewhere below 50th in the nation.

Pressures from other players: Dre'Mont Jones (52), Jerry Tillery (50) and Quinnen Williams (48).

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-six-over-hyped-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft

Again he missed 5 games because of an injury and played through it. Do you realize this. Or is everyone just ignoring the facts? He got injured before week 1 vs ND game..

So just playing math if he had 24 pressures in eight games that equals three pressures per game. Project that out to a 13 game season that would equal 39 total pressures. This is the reason why PFF gave him a low pass rush grade for the year.