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Apr 5, 2019 at 3:09 PM
Originally posted by glorydayz:
80th percentile for a #2 overall pass rushing DE?

That's good to you in the NFL?

Were these measurement comparisons vs other college DE's or NFL DE's?

Dude that's very good and it's based off other NFL DE....Bradley Chubb was in the 27th percentile, guess he blows and wasn't worth the 5th overall pick?

He has near identical 3-cone #s to Mack who's 15lbs smaller.

You can complain about other stuff but balance/ explosion shouldn't be one.
Apr 5, 2019 at 3:10 PM
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Bosa and Thomas will be top 3 picks. Please explain Bosa's NFL hands and pass rushing technique?

What do you want me to explain? He has superior hand use, better than some NFL veterans. Its clear that he has been well coached and has shown all the things you want to see from a prospective NFL edge rusher. His hands allow him to work tackles like they owe him money.






You don't draft a guy #2 overall because of his 10 yard split & shuttle time. Check out his three cone, which measures change of direction (balance and speed) something that a DE will need in order to rush the passer. The combine did not say that Bosa had elite speed or balance, in fact it said otherwise.


You said he was unathletic yet his 10 yard split which is crucial for edge rushers was ahead of Von Miller, Khalil Mack and others. His shuttle time, considered extremely important for pass rushers, was well ahead of many top edge rushers, including his brother.



His three cone was substantially better than that of Bradley Chubb, DeMarcus Lawrence and others. His overall SPARQ shows a guy that is a very solid athlete, not upper echelon but plenty good enough for the NFL level, especially considering that his game is largely predicated on superior hands and technique, not winning through speed.


His RAS was also well up there, even with them using the unofficial 10 yard split time.

Apr 5, 2019 at 3:10 PM
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
I'm starting to hope the Cards take Bosa #1. I think it would be a huge mistake for the niners to take him #2 overall.

Why?

I don't think he will live up to the selection similar to S. Thomas, simply put Bosa is not that good.
He is an often injured big named college player that does not posses NFL caliber speed or balance (always falling on the ground). A pass rusher cannot consistently beat NFL O/L with strength alone. His technique has to be off, I mean he hasn't played a lot of football due to injuries. I think he is maybe a top 5 prospect, but I am not sure that he will be able to live up to a top 5 selection.

Can you imagine Bosa trying to get to R. Wilson with those 10lb weights on his ankles?
You can have your opinion on nick bosa but for you to compare nick bosa to S. Thomas is absolute nonsense because they don't compare at all . Solomon Thomas was never a DE pass rusher and he will never be one . Solomon Thomas position is a undersized inside pass rusher but he doesn't have enough muscle to play on the inside and I always thought he was gonna be a bad draft pick . Nick Bosa is another story because he has football in his blood and he has better pass rushing technique than a lot of players in the NFL today . Nick Bosa will be a star pass rusher in the NFL because he has the talent and the technique with his hands and the athletic ability and he will continue to get better . The only thing that could stop him from being great is injuries .
Apr 5, 2019 at 3:12 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Bosa and Thomas will be top 3 picks. Please explain Bosa's NFL hands and pass rushing technique?

What do you want me to explain? He has superior hand use, better than some NFL veterans. Its clear that he has been well coached and has shown all the things you want to see from a prospective NFL edge rusher. His hands allow him to work tackles like they owe him money.






You don't draft a guy #2 overall because of his 10 yard split & shuttle time. Check out his three cone, which measures change of direction (balance and speed) something that a DE will need in order to rush the passer. The combine did not say that Bosa had elite speed or balance, in fact it said otherwise.


You said he was unathletic yet his 10 yard split which is crucial for edge rushers was ahead of Von Miller, Khalil Mack and others. His shuttle time, considered extremely important for pass rushers, was well ahead of many top edge rushers, including his brother.



His three cone was substantially better than that of Bradley Chubb, DeMarcus Lawrence and others. His overall SPARQ shows a guy that is a very solid athlete, not upper echelon but plenty good enough for the NFL level.


His RAS was also well up there, even with them using the unofficial 10 yard split time.


Apr 5, 2019 at 3:14 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Bosa and Thomas will be top 3 picks. Please explain Bosa's NFL hands and pass rushing technique?

What do you want me to explain? He has superior hand use, better than some NFL veterans. Its clear that he has been well coached and has shown all the things you want to see from a prospective NFL edge rusher. His hands allow him to work tackles like they owe him money.
Bosa will not be doing that an NFL caliber OL!


Nick Bosa has the best hands in CFB. Not receiving but hand use is unreal. Probably the number 1 pick in the draft next year! Freaky!

— David Pollack (@davidpollack47) September 16, 2018

"He's so good with his hands."

Nick Bosa registers Ohio State's first sack of the night. pic.twitter.com/bkX2chELdg

— Eleven Warriors (@11W) December 3, 2017

Nick Bosa (@nbsmallerbear) uses better leverage, play strength & inside hands to floor the OL. Bosa then dives & sacks Mayfield! #Buckeyes #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/06mhfyeCFL

— DLineVids 2.0 (@dlinevids1) April 2, 2019

Would be surprised if Nick Bosa doesn't end up a top-5 pick like his brother Joey was. Adept with the hands. pic.twitter.com/XtAbD3cJ5B

— Ty Wurth (@WurthDraft) June 21, 2018


You don't draft a guy #2 overall because of his 10 yard split & shuttle time. Check out his three cone, which measures change of direction (balance and speed) something that a DE will need in order to rush the passer. The combine did not say that Bosa had elite speed or balance, in fact it said otherwise.

You said he was unathletic yet his 10 yard split which is crucial for edge rushers was ahead of Von Miller, Khalil Mack and others. His shuttle time, considered extremely important for pass rushers, was well ahead of many top edge rushers, including his brother.

Bosa is now "elite" again, even though true data point that most closely predicts NFL Success for DE's (20yd shuttle) was never in question.

— Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) March 11, 2016

4.14 20-yard shuttle for Nick Bosa.

— Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) March 3, 2019

His three cone was substantially better than that of Bradley Chubb, DeMarcus Lawrence and others. His overall SPARQ shows a guy that is a very solid athlete, not upper echelon but plenty good enough for the NFL level, especially considering that his game is largely predicated on superior hands and technique, not winning through speed.

Before Nick Bosa posted an impressive 10-yard split time of 1.55, third among defensive ends this year, the former OSU DE said the Cardinals would make a "big mistake" if they pass on him https://t.co/8xrWdVnUEI

— The MMQB (@theMMQB) March 4, 2019

His RAS was also well up there, even with them using the unofficial 10 yard split time.

Nick Bosa posted an elite #RAS at the Combine with good to great numbers across the board. pic.twitter.com/Y7jWdFuwhS

— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) April 3, 2019
Apr 5, 2019 at 3:15 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Bosa and Thomas will be top 3 picks. Please explain Bosa's NFL hands and pass rushing technique?

What do you want me to explain? He has superior hand use, better than some NFL veterans. Its clear that he has been well coached and has shown all the things you want to see from a prospective NFL edge rusher. His hands allow him to work tackles like they owe him money.






You don't draft a guy #2 overall because of his 10 yard split & shuttle time. Check out his three cone, which measures change of direction (balance and speed) something that a DE will need in order to rush the passer. The combine did not say that Bosa had elite speed or balance, in fact it said otherwise.


You said he was unathletic yet his 10 yard split which is crucial for edge rushers was ahead of Von Miller, Khalil Mack and others. His shuttle time, considered extremely important for pass rushers, was well ahead of many top edge rushers, including his brother.



His three cone was substantially better than that of Bradley Chubb, DeMarcus Lawrence and others. His overall SPARQ shows a guy that is a very solid athlete, not upper echelon but plenty good enough for the NFL level, especially considering that his game is largely predicated on superior hands and technique, not winning through speed.


His RAS was also well up there, even with them using the unofficial 10 yard split time.


Apr 5, 2019 at 3:16 PM
Originally posted by Tylerawiseguy:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
I'm starting to hope the Cards take Bosa #1. I think it would be a huge mistake for the niners to take him #2 overall.

Why?

I don't think he will live up to the selection similar to S. Thomas, simply put Bosa is not that good.
He is an often injured big named college player that does not posses NFL caliber speed or balance (always falling on the ground). A pass rusher cannot consistently beat NFL O/L with strength alone. His technique has to be off, I mean he hasn't played a lot of football due to injuries. I think he is maybe a top 5 prospect, but I am not sure that he will be able to live up to a top 5 selection.

Can you imagine Bosa trying to get to R. Wilson with those 10lb weights on his ankles?
You can have your opinion on nick bosa but for you to compare nick bosa to S. Thomas is absolute nonsense because they don't compare at all . Solomon Thomas was never a DE pass rusher and he will never be one . Solomon Thomas position is a undersized inside pass rusher but he doesn't have enough muscle to play on the inside and I always thought he was gonna be a bad draft pick . Nick Bosa is another story because he has football in his blood and he has better pass rushing technique than a lot of players in the NFL today . Nick Bosa will be a star pass rusher in the NFL because he has the talent and the technique with his hands and the athletic ability and he will continue to get better . The only thing that could stop him from being great is injuries .

LMAO

OK

He will not be chasing down the likes of RW with HIS athletic ability.
Apr 5, 2019 at 3:17 PM
Originally posted by cortana49:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Bosa and Thomas will be top 3 picks. Please explain Bosa's NFL hands and pass rushing technique?

What do you want me to explain? He has superior hand use, better than some NFL veterans. Its clear that he has been well coached and has shown all the things you want to see from a prospective NFL edge rusher. His hands allow him to work tackles like they owe him money.






You don't draft a guy #2 overall because of his 10 yard split & shuttle time. Check out his three cone, which measures change of direction (balance and speed) something that a DE will need in order to rush the passer. The combine did not say that Bosa had elite speed or balance, in fact it said otherwise.


You said he was unathletic yet his 10 yard split which is crucial for edge rushers was ahead of Von Miller, Khalil Mack and others. His shuttle time, considered extremely important for pass rushers, was well ahead of many top edge rushers, including his brother.



His three cone was substantially better than that of Bradley Chubb, DeMarcus Lawrence and others. His overall SPARQ shows a guy that is a very solid athlete, not upper echelon but plenty good enough for the NFL level, especially considering that his game is largely predicated on superior hands and technique, not winning through speed.


His RAS was also well up there, even with them using the unofficial 10 yard split time.



Best gif
Apr 5, 2019 at 3:19 PM
Originally posted by glorydayz:

Bosa will not be doing that an NFL caliber OL!


Sure he will. NFL tackles are just as susceptible to a guy with quick, violent hands. Its something that both Bosa's have in common. Their hands separate them from most pass rushers. If you have hands like Bosa, you don't need great length to win, you get to the tackle before they have a chance to lock in on you. Not to mention that with Ford on the roster, Bosa would be seeing a lot of time against NFL right tackles and how many teams actually have elite pass blocking right tackles?

Having elite hand use and pass rush technique usually leads to pass rush success in the NFL. Its the guys with freakish athleticism but poor technique that end up disappointing more often than not.
Apr 5, 2019 at 3:22 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by cortana49:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Bosa and Thomas will be top 3 picks. Please explain Bosa's NFL hands and pass rushing technique?

What do you want me to explain? He has superior hand use, better than some NFL veterans. Its clear that he has been well coached and has shown all the things you want to see from a prospective NFL edge rusher. His hands allow him to work tackles like they owe him money.






You don't draft a guy #2 overall because of his 10 yard split & shuttle time. Check out his three cone, which measures change of direction (balance and speed) something that a DE will need in order to rush the passer. The combine did not say that Bosa had elite speed or balance, in fact it said otherwise.


You said he was unathletic yet his 10 yard split which is crucial for edge rushers was ahead of Von Miller, Khalil Mack and others. His shuttle time, considered extremely important for pass rushers, was well ahead of many top edge rushers, including his brother.



His three cone was substantially better than that of Bradley Chubb, DeMarcus Lawrence and others. His overall SPARQ shows a guy that is a very solid athlete, not upper echelon but plenty good enough for the NFL level, especially considering that his game is largely predicated on superior hands and technique, not winning through speed.


His RAS was also well up there, even with them using the unofficial 10 yard split time.



Best gif

Check this out:

STRENGTHS Angular build, well-built frame. His mother, father and uncle were all collegiate athletes. Lined up at multiple positions. Has ravenous approach to the game. Gets out of the blocks quickly and attacks with early, skilled hands. Stays hungry and wants to feast. Powerful for his size. Shows ability to win with power or quickness. Outstanding athleticism. Fluid in his play. Transitions from move to move. Unpredictable pass rush. Attacks both the edges and can crank up a bull rush. Uses swipes, rips and arm-over to unlock his rush. Hands and feet work in unison. Has lightning-quick spin move he can access to unhinge from block and find new life in his rush. Violent disengagements from blocks leave no doubt blocker is whipped. Relentless approach combined with athleticism makes block recoveries extremely difficult in run or pass. Refuses extended engagements to blockers and works himself free. Will sniff out gaps and make himself skinny into the backfield. Very good pursuit speed and range as playmaker.

This (the above) is Solomon Thomas' draft profile, sound familiar?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/solomon-thomas?id=2558018
Apr 5, 2019 at 3:22 PM
Originally posted by glorydayz:
LMAO

OK

He will not be chasing down the likes of RW with HIS athletic ability.

Here is Demarcus Lawrence, he of the 4.80 40 and 7.46 three cone chasing down Wilson for a sack.

Apr 5, 2019 at 3:24 PM
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Check this out:

STRENGTHS Angular build, well-built frame. His mother, father and uncle were all collegiate athletes. Lined up at multiple positions. Has ravenous approach to the game. Gets out of the blocks quickly and attacks with early, skilled hands. Stays hungry and wants to feast. Powerful for his size. Shows ability to win with power or quickness. Outstanding athleticism. Fluid in his play. Transitions from move to move. Unpredictable pass rush. Attacks both the edges and can crank up a bull rush. Uses swipes, rips and arm-over to unlock his rush. Hands and feet work in unison. Has lightning-quick spin move he can access to unhinge from block and find new life in his rush. Violent disengagements from blocks leave no doubt blocker is whipped. Relentless approach combined with athleticism makes block recoveries extremely difficult in run or pass. Refuses extended engagements to blockers and works himself free. Will sniff out gaps and make himself skinny into the backfield. Very good pursuit speed and range as playmaker.

This (the above) is Solomon Thomas' draft profile, sound familiar?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/solomon-thomas?id=2558018


No, because its a ridiculous comparison. The two as players are not even remotely similar. Thomas is nowhere near as technically proficient as Bosa is coming out of college. Might as well compare Myles Garrett to Vernon Gholston while you're at it.
Apr 5, 2019 at 3:25 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
LMAO

OK

He will not be chasing down the likes of RW with HIS athletic ability.

Here is Demarcus Lawrence, he of the 4.80 40 and 7.46 three cone chasing down Wilson for a sack.


Apr 5, 2019 at 3:26 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by glorydayz:

Bosa will not be doing that an NFL caliber OL!


Sure he will. NFL tackles are just as susceptible to a guy with quick, violent hands. Its something that both Bosa's have in common. Their hands separate them from most pass rushers. If you have hands like Bosa, you don't need great length to win, you get to the tackle before they have a chance to lock in on you. Not to mention that with Ford on the roster, Bosa would be seeing a lot of time against NFL right tackles and how many teams actually have elite pass blocking right tackles?

Having elite hand use and pass rush technique usually leads to pass rush success in the NFL. Its the guys with freakish athleticism but poor technique that end up disappointing more often than not.

The NFL is all about guys with freakish athleticism, technique is a given in the NFL since they don't have to teach athleticism at that level.

Just make a list of the leagues all time top pass rushers and you will see athletic freaks all over the place!
Apr 5, 2019 at 3:27 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
LMAO

OK

He will not be chasing down the likes of RW with HIS athletic ability.

Here is Demarcus Lawrence, he of the 4.80 40 and 7.46 three cone chasing down Wilson for a sack.


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