Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Guys. AZ is taking Bosa .....

Yeah, it seems that way since Josh Rosen is still on the team and first day of workouts is April 8th for them, which they pushed out hoping someone would take Rosen.

Rosen can still be traded. Iirc Jerome Bettis was traded to the Steelers right after the Rams selected Lawrence Phillips.

double post: Draft Bosa

Originally posted by evil:

2) DEREK BARNETT: Best pass rusher in this class IMO. Not as freakish as Garrett, but more refined with hands & technique/on a better team.

— Willie McGinest (@WillieMcGinest) August 31, 2017

Was this meant to underscore mcginists credibility? because if so well done

The recent champion eagles, injured franchise qb overachieving eagles, are running clinics on how to build a dline, take note

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Rosen can still be traded. Iirc Jerome Bettis was traded to the Steelers right after the Rams selected Lawrence Phillips.

LOL that went well.

Idk if this has been posted. Pretty good watch.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Was this meant to underscore mcginists credibility? because if so well done

The recent champion eagles, injured franchise qb overachieving eagles, are running clinics on how to build a dline, take note

What does that have to do with anything he said? Would the Eagles be better or worse with Myles Garrett(20.5 sacks) vs Barnett(7.5 sacks)?

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Was this meant to underscore mcginists credibility? because if so well done

The recent champion eagles, injured franchise qb overachieving eagles, are running clinics on how to build a dline, take note

7.5 sacks in 2 years speaks for itself. McGinest was wrong.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by evil:

2) DEREK BARNETT: Best pass rusher in this class IMO. Not as freakish as Garrett, but more refined with hands & technique/on a better team.

— Willie McGinest (@WillieMcGinest) August 31, 2017

Was this meant to underscore mcginists credibility? because if so well done

The recent champion eagles, injured franchise qb overachieving eagles, are running clinics on how to build a dline, take note

Once again former/current NFL players(at least the ones being mentioned) aren't scouts/GMs. And some that are/were GMs haven't exactly been up on things.

My point earlier was that Woody and McGinest are paid to talk about football, share their knowledge and their thoughts. It doesn't mean because they played at a high level that they're perfect judges of talent.

I'd say 60% of what makes a great player in the NFL is inside their head. The 30% is physical/athletic tools, 10% scheme/coaching fit.

That 60% includes their work ethic, knowledge of the game, coachability, film study, working on their craft and technique. That stuff doesn't come up on tape.

And every time I bring it up I feel awful but I still think it's worth bringing up. There are some ingrained biases when it comes to certain positions and race. Just look at the draft breakdowns.

White WRs and DEs typically get the - gym rat, hard working, smart, great technique but with limited potential stamp on them.

And sure if you look around the league outside of maybe Jared Allen and Kevin Greene there haven't been a ton of elite DEs who are white so maybe there's something to it.

Could some of that bias sneak into people's evaluations? Willie McGinest was much closer as a college player to Josh Allen than he was Nick Bosa. Who do you think he'd prefer?

Yes Bosa doesn't have the scary athletic/physical tools of Montez Sweat but I'll take the sure thing with a "limited" ceiling. He's perfect for what we need and given our current roster I can see him having a huge impact with the rest of our guys. If that means he's getting 10 sacks per season with 40 hurries I'm good with it.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by evil:

2) DEREK BARNETT: Best pass rusher in this class IMO. Not as freakish as Garrett, but more refined with hands & technique/on a better team.

— Willie McGinest (@WillieMcGinest) August 31, 2017

Was this meant to underscore mcginists credibility? because if so well done

The recent champion eagles, injured franchise qb overachieving eagles, are running clinics on how to build a dline, take note

It underscores your credibility by relying on a former players opinion to support your narrative. Said former player has been proven to be wrong so what makes his opinion so right?

That Eagles DL managed one sack in that SB, and Brady managed 500+ passing yards in that SB against that DL. That Eagles DL produced 7 sacks more than ours did last year and 8 more in 2017, and we did not have Willie's 2017 draft favorite Derek Barnett or guys Cox, Jernigan, Bennett, Graham and the like. We had Buckner, Blair and Marsh (and in 2017 a 86 year old Elvis Dumervil) . Quite the clinic put on the Jim Schwartz and the Eagles DL.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by evil:

2) DEREK BARNETT: Best pass rusher in this class IMO. Not as freakish as Garrett, but more refined with hands & technique/on a better team.

— Willie McGinest (@WillieMcGinest) August 31, 2017

Was this meant to underscore mcginists credibility? because if so well done

The recent champion eagles, injured franchise qb overachieving eagles, are running clinics on how to build a dline, take note

What does the eagles have to do with anything you guys have been talking about? Ole Willie was clearly wrong about Barnett vs Myles. No s**t DL is important pretty sure SF has invested a lot there and now need one more edge rusher.

Imo you also need to look at who these former player's agents are and see if guys like willie share the same agent as prospects like Barnett. There isn't a single person that truthfully thought Barnett was better than Myles. He's either not very smart, helping out a agent, or trying to stir the pot with a dumb hot take.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

What does that have to do with anything he said? Would the Eagles be better or worse with Myles Garrett(20.5 sacks) vs Barnett(7.5 sacks)?

Number of Sacks doesn't tell the whole story. It's about having a productive unit and the eagles know how to do that and sustain it. They let Bennett walk because Barnett was playing so good last year, contributing to the nfls best defensive line before getting injured. They have no concerns with his development and ability to produce at a high level within the unit. Let them have the sacks, let them have the Khalil Mack's. We want winners!

Originally posted by evil:

It underscores your credibility by relying on a former players opinion to support your narrative. Said former player has been proven to be wrong so what makes his opinion so right?

That Eagles DL managed one sack in that SB, and Brady managed 500+ passing yards in that SB against that DL. That Eagles DL produced 7 sacks more than ours did last year and 8 more in 2017, and we did not have Willie's 2017 draft favorite Derek Barnett or guys Cox, Jernigan, Bennett, Graham and the like. We had Buckner, Blair and Marsh (and in 2017 a 86 year old Elvis Dumervil) . Quite the clinic put on the Jim Schwartz and the Eagles DL.

And who saved they day for Philly? Short armed Brandon graham coming off the edge with a strip fumble to end the game

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Number of Sacks doesn't tell the whole story. It's about having a productive unit and the eagles know how to do that and sustain it. They let Bennett walk because Barnett was playing so good last year, contributing to the nfls best defensive line before getting injured. They have no concerns with his development and ability to produce at a high level within the unit. Let them have the sacks, let them have the Khalil Mack's. We want winners!

They let bennett walk because they have no money and had to pay Brandon graham...you know that short armed DE that won them the SB

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Number of Sacks doesn't tell the whole story. It's about having a productive unit and the eagles know how to do that and sustain it. They let Bennett walk because Barnett was playing so good last year, contributing to the nfls best defensive line before getting injured. They have no concerns with his development and ability to produce at a high level within the unit. Let them have the sacks, let them have the Khalil Mack's. We want winners!

Dee Ford says hello.

Originally posted by bopicksix:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What does that have to do with anything he said? Would the Eagles be better or worse with Myles Garrett(20.5 sacks) vs Barnett(7.5 sacks)?

Number of Sacks doesn't tell the whole story. It's about having a productive unit and the eagles know how to do that and sustain it. They let Bennett walk because Barnett was playing so good last year, contributing to the nfls best defensive line before getting injured. They have no concerns with his development and ability to produce at a high level within the unit. Let them have the sacks, let them have the Khalil Mack's. We want winners!

I sure hope you don't have any posts in this thread claiming Nick Bosa hasn't shown any good production at OSU right?

No matter how you want to slice it Derek Barnett hasn't been anywhere close to the best pass rusher in that draft.

Much like Solomon Thomas hasn't been the most NFL ready player...

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/21/kyle-long-is-a-fan-of-stanfords-solomon-thomas/