Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by LordGains:

Originally posted by evil:

Ignore context, use selective stats and selective measurables to illustrate your point?

Thanks for a completely biased comparison between the two players to push your narrative or try to rile others up.

Ok you do your comparison. I'll wait for your numbers......

Look at 10 yard split, 3 cone and the 20 yard short shuttle.

Understand context surrounding Bosa's stats and how many snaps he actually played. Look at the film and see the technical ability the pass rusher displays.

I would bet you all 32 teams have Bosa in their top 10, despite you trying to claim he is not a top 10 pick.

Originally posted by LordGains:
So why no DE's that run 5 sec or worst get drafted if it means nothing ???? I like how when people don't have an argument they just say it doesn't matter lolol. 40 times tells of explosiveness, and speed of an athlete etc. Why does bench press matters for a football player ? Because it tells of STRENGTH.

The vertical also shows that to go along with film. Bosa is an average athlete at best, nothing special about him. 3-cone, split, 20 yard shuttle all are important yes but just drills also, no Oline is there to stop you. Bosa will be going against HUMANS, not cones.3-cone, split, 20 yard shuttle SHOWCASES technique, not athleticism or explosiveness. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE !!!!!

That is no different from a martial artist breaking a board. Like Bruce Lee said, "BOARDS DON'T HIT BACK"

name me a productive edge rusher that ran a 5 sec 40? Listen all the drills at the combine matter, some matter more for certain positions.

the 10 yard split, 20 yard shuttle, and 3 cone are regarded as the most important measurement for edge rushers. Those drills show you who's explosives and quick in short spaces. That's what matters for a edge rusher. Not being able to run fast 40 yards downfield. They aren't running go-routes.

Bosa's broad jump was in the 76 percentile (meaning out of every 10 NFL DEs he's better than 7.6 of them), his vert was in the 73rd percentile, and even his 40 time was in the 77th percentile for all NFL DE. That does NOT make him an avg athlete in those drills.

His technique and hands are better than anyone in this class at the edge and it's not even close.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
No one says speed doesn't matter. The argument is 10 yard split > 40 time. De's aren't asked to run fly routes.

So chasing Russell Wilson or potentially Kyler Murray sideline to sideline doesn't matter ? Just rush the passer and if he takes off just stop running ? You never see DEs chasing RBs, WRs, TEs, QBs from sideline to sideline and especially on screens ? Or making a play up field ? Pull up 9ers vs Hawks and watch Defo chase and stops Russell Wilson on the sidelines from making a big play. Watch how his teammate react and Saleh. Matter of fact here it is .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ITMaG7g1xI forward to the 1:50 mark. Notice Solomon was there, who is also fast.

If I'm drafting, I'm taking Bosa. Niners are one injury away from having a non existent pass rush from the edge like last season.Plus no Marsh so it could be worse if there is an injury there.

Did I really read someone arguing that Chubb was a better prospect than Bosa?

If the argument is that we should take Q because of wilson and potentally murray running around, shouldn't we draft bosa to have two good bookends and a stud in the middle to kill the entire pocket?

Originally posted by LordGains:
So chasing Russell Wilson or potentially Kyler Murray sideline to sideline doesn't matter ? Just rush the passer and if he takes off just stop running ? You never see DEs chasing RBs, WRs, TEs, QBs from sideline to sideline and especially on screens ? Or making a play up field ? Pull up 9ers vs Hawks and watch Defo chase and stops Russell Wilson on the sidelines from making a big play. Watch how his teammate react and Saleh. Matter of fact here it is .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ITMaG7g1xI forward to the 1:50 mark. Notice Solomon was there, who is also fast.

Ummmm...Buckner's 40 time at the combine was 5.05. Bosa was 4.79. Buckner is bigger but from a pure time point of view, Bosa is faster. FWIW...Thomas had a faster 40 time than both of them at 4.69. For the record, the short shuttle, 3 cone and first 10 yards of the 40 yard dash are the most important running drills at the combine for edge rushers.

Originally posted by LordGains:
This doesn't even make any sense, ranked teams have better players. They get their rankings from recruiting, you know the best players coming from high school ?

And stop lying Josh Allens arms were 33 1/2 vs Bosa 33" . 20 yard shuffle and 3 cone has nothing to do with speed, it's all technique. Everyone knows Bosa has the better technique currently. Allen can LEARN technique, but makes up for it with SPEED 4.63 40 with 17 sacks as a senior. Bosa 4.79 40 and 33" vertical with 4 Sacks as a Jr. tells me all i need to know about him as an athlete. Bosa can't learn speed, longer arms, explosiveness etc.

Quinnen Williams a 300lb man was neck to neck with Bosa in 40 time (4.83). smh

Name me all the stud lineman from Arizona State, Old Miss, Miss St....please. Myles wasn't some wreaking crew vs top competition. s**t the bed vs Bama for 3 yrs. Doesn't mean he's a bad player. He's f**king good.

I could say just as easy the 40 is all about technique. Players train with runners on how to do the 40. Players talk about it all the time.


If you can tell me Mack ran a 4.4 at his pro-day... then I can say his arms were f**king small! Stop being a hypocrite. Yes Allen can maybe learn technique BUT Bosa already is worlds better there. Bosa is also only 21, let's stop acting like ANY player is just done getting better at 21.

FYI our scout Steve Rubio looks like he's gonna back his s**t up in leave after seeing that.

Yes Bosa had 4 sacks this yr....in in 3 games guess we'll leave context out of it.

Show me a clip of QW actually ever having to run 40 yards down field. Love how you forgot to add that QW was in the 59nd percentile in the BJ and 42 percentile for Vert...YET you're calling Bosa unathletic.

Look just say you don't like Bosa...it's fine your opinion matters about as much as mine. You don't have to form these bias narratives and leave out things to prove something. It just makes you look silly.

Originally posted by LordGains:
So chasing Russell Wilson or potentially Kyler Murray sideline to sideline doesn't matter ? Just rush the passer and if he takes off just stop running ? You never see DEs chasing RBs, WRs, TEs, QBs from sideline to sideline and especially on screens ? Or making a play up field ? Pull up 9ers vs Hawks and watch Defo chase and stops Russell Wilson on the sidelines from making a big play. Watch how his teammate react and Saleh. Matter of fact here it is .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ITMaG7g1xI forward to the 1:50 mark. Notice Solomon was there, who is also fast.

This guy will be chancing down whomever the QB trying to scramble. did it plenty in TB

Originally posted by LordGains:
This doesn't even make any sense, ranked teams have better players. They get their rankings from recruiting, you know the best players coming from high school ?

And stop lying Josh Allens arms were 33 1/2 vs Bosa 33" . 20 yard shuffle and 3 cone has nothing to do with speed, it's all technique. Everyone knows Bosa has the better technique currently. Allen can LEARN technique, but makes up for it with SPEED 4.63 40 with 17 sacks as a senior. Bosa 4.79 40 and 33" vertical with 4 Sacks as a Jr. tells me all i need to know about him as an athlete. Bosa can't learn speed, longer arms, explosiveness etc.

Quinnen Williams a 300lb man was neck to neck with Bosa in 40 time (4.83). smh

Well there you have it folks...no speed necessarily to quickly move around while changing direction...I'll let my grandfather know since he's old, wise and has years of technique to work with. That way when he wants to get somewhere fast as long as he doesn't go in a straight line he doesn't have to worry about speed.

Quit playin with Nick Bosas name.

31:50. Freshman nick vs Ramsey Ramczyk ready to hit the nfl. Who went on to be a second team all pro. Very next play get right by Ramsey like nothing. Clutch as can be.

Was watching the other day. There are some good plays from nick vs Ramsey throughout the game. But don't have the time stamps right now.

Originally posted by rathman4481:
If the argument is that we should take Q because of wilson and potentally murray running around, shouldn't we draft bosa to have two good bookends and a stud in the middle to kill the entire pocket?

He wants Allen...then allen showed up with baby hands and chris Borland arms, so now he can't possibly say he wants him BECAUSE he's been saying Bosa has short arms.

QW does nothing to stop a scrambling QB....he's all over the place. sounds like a poster we all knew

Originally posted by NYniner85:
name me a productive edge rusher that ran a 5 sec 40? Listen all the drills at the combine matter, some matter more for certain positions.

the 10 yard split, 20 yard shuttle, and 3 cone are regarded as the most important measurement for edge rushers. Those drills show you who's explosives and quick in short spaces. That's what matters for a edge rusher. Not being able to run fast 40 yards downfield. They aren't running go-routes.

Bosa's broad jump was in the 76 percentile (meaning out of every 10 NFL DEs he's better than 7.6 of them), his vert was in the 73rd percentile, and even his 40 time was in the 77th percentile for all NFL DE. That does NOT make him an avg athlete in those drills.

His technique and hands are better than anyone in this class at the edge and it's not even close.

You must major in marketing with your misleading numbers and false advertisement lol. "percentile" this percentile that. Nobody cares about the entire NFL what is his percentile vs ELITE EDGE RUSHERS. There are more bad and average DEs than elites to skew those numbers.

He would be drafted #2 not 2nd-7th rd or undrafted who are in all those "PERCENTILES." He should ONLY be compared to the ELITE rushers. Von Miller, Dee Ford, Khalil Mack, Myles Garrett, Frank Clarke, Chris Jones, Danielle Hunter, Chandler Jones, Calias Campbell, Bradley Chubb, Pierre Paul, JJ Watt, Cameron Jordan etc. These are the guys he will be compared with not low rd and undrafted dudes in your "percentile".

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:


Quit playin with Nick Bosas name.

31:50. Freshman nick vs Ramsey Ramczyk ready to hit the nfl. Who went on to be a second team all pro. Very next play get right by Ramsey like nothing. Clutch as can be.

Was watching the other day. There are some good plays from nick vs Ramsey throughout the game. But don't have the time stamps right now.

Good find! Yeah no explosion there from a 19 yr old His Wisconsin tape from 2017 was damn good as well.

Originally posted by LordGains:
You must major in marketing with your misleading numbers and false advertisement lol. "percentile" this percentile that. Nobody cares about the entire NFL what is his percentile vs ELITE EDGE RUSHERS. There are more bad and average DEs than elites to skew those numbers.

He would be drafted #2 not 2nd-7th rd or undrafted who are in all those "PERCENTILES." He should ONLY be compared to the ELITE rushers. Von Miller, Dee Ford, Khalil Mack, Myles Garrett, Frank Clarke, Chris Jones, Danielle Hunter, Chandler Jones, Calias Campbell, Bradley Chubb, Pierre Paul, JJ Watt, Cameron Jordan etc. These are the guys he will be compared with not low rd and undrafted dudes in your "percentile".

HA you're the guy trying to throw out random stats with no context and you get mad when I tell you he's more athletic in the drills then you think.... he's more athletic than 70% of the NFLs DEs in those drills. Sorry you're wrong when you stat he's avg.

Oh okay so we're gonna comp him to DTs like Chris Jones, Campbell, and Jordon? those dudes are like 30Lbs bigger than him. LOL you're digging a deeper and deeper hole here man.